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Pedrof
15 months member
Old Ben Kenobi Obi-Wan one-shots.
Deathstroke_01
18 months member
Zeno Sama & Zalama Why can't both solo
Zalama~Zeno>Whis>Zatanna>Black cat
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Savage
6 months member
He lost to the enigma force
Pedrof
15 months member
Team Zeno Sama Ok, you've proved that The Black Winter consumed a multiverse. But he is not even close to Tori-Bot. Tori-Bot is Akira Toriyama himslef.
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AkhilPDX
52 months member
Merely existing for a short while isn't enough since higher realms do amp you. That's Knull's home. It's his abyss and he's existed in it since before the destruction of the First Firmament. What makes it impressive is that Galactus as the Lifebringer couldn't survive in it for long before risking injury and his own destruction. Meanwhile, Knull has existed in it since before the concepts of time, space, and all the Ultimate Ultimates.
MoNsTeR
12 months member
Donny cates also said that nothing can kill knull but captain universe venom did
AkhilPDX
52 months member
The Black Winter Have you read Ultimates? If not, I recommend it. It's great for cosmology and a really good run in general.
Savage
6 months member
@AkhilPDX I don't see why that puts him above Lifebringer Galactus. Kevin Brashear exited in the outside too, it's not THAT impressive. Everything in King in Black in inconsistent, Knull is kinda fodder.
R165
4 months member
Zatanna & Black Cat Black Cat solo too
MoNsTeR
12 months member
@Savage Agree
AkhilPDX
52 months member
Zatanna & Black Cat Black Cat dies but Zatanna solos all of Dragon Ball anyways so she slaps hard.
Pedrof
15 months member
Team Zeno Sama Proofs for that??
AkhilPDX
52 months member
The Black Winter Universe is used interchangeably with multiverse. Omniverse too since it's >>> a regular infinite multiverse. Galan of Taa was the last survivor of the 6th Omniverse and merged with it's sentience to become Galactus.
Savage
6 months member
It's a bullshit feat for CKT to beat any version of Galactus. By scaling and feats "well feed galactus" is considerably weaker than he's ever been.
Pedrof
15 months member
Vegeta (Super Saiyan Blue Evolved) And you don't know the size of DB universe. Also weren't you the one who said that statements don't count as proof?
Savage
6 months member
At this point it's just everyone of my favorites.
AkhilPDX
52 months member
Superman I absolutely can. There's so many statements of it being infinite or it containing infinite dimensions (universal spacetime continuums) within it.
Pedrof
15 months member
Team Zeno Sama He destroyed Galactus' universe not a multiverse from what I know, also there are many multiversal beings on team 2 and Tori-Bot solos.
AkhilPDX
52 months member
Pedro, you don't know Galactus. Please stop acting like he caps at that tier.
MoNsTeR
12 months member
and lose to a captain universe venom
Pedrof
15 months member
That was with Galactus' power. Not his own power.
AkhilPDX
52 months member
The Black Winter No, no, no, no, NO. Absolutely not. The Black Winter was responsible for the destruction of the 6th Multiverse. This is not even close to fair.
Pedrof
15 months member
Vegeta (Super Saiyan Blue Evolved) 1st - You can't prove that DC universe is bigger than DB universe
2nd - A universal being in DB = A universal being in DC (In terms of AP and DC ofc).
MoNsTeR
12 months member
and beating black winter
AkhilPDX
52 months member
@MoNsTeR He was confirmed to have existed in the Outside since before all the Ultimate Ultimates which would mean he's at the very least above Lifebringer Galactus. Definitely not only tier 8.
AkhilPDX
52 months member
Superman @Alien_X Superman has shown plenty of feats high enough to beat Vegeta ranging from uni+ to low multi and way higher. Remember, the DC universe is much bigger than the Dragon Ball universe so anything Superman does on a universal scale is >>> anything Vegeta does on a universal scale. Factor in speed and hax and Superman would absolutely demolish him. Your vote was correct the first time.
Savage
6 months member
Why? You seem to have good opinions, I'll be your friend on the site
Pedrof
15 months member
Why? Isn't his best feat beating Galactus Well fed? That's probably a multiversal+ - low complex multiversal.
AkhilPDX
52 months member
Superman This is actually ew and frankly, Vegeta doesn't need a profile for every one of his power ups.
AkhilPDX
52 months member
Absolutely not.
Savage
6 months member
@Mr_Incognito Thanks! Where should I start with Transformers comics? Or Judge Dredd?
Pedrof
15 months member
Grand Master / DE Luke.
Pedrof
15 months member
@MoNsTeR, don't you think that CKT should be tier 7? I think he is multiversal+ and RTK is complex multiversal.
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Savage
6 months member
@Tyrannus Sure, but the Thing is still a match for the hulk. The Hulk only beats him after time has passed when he gets madder. Thing < Base Hulk. He's also above Silver Surfer. His outlier feats are even more extreme, like going toe to toe with Doctor Doom while he had the power cosmic.
Pedrof
15 months member
Vegeta (Super Saiyan Blue Evolved) No. SS2 is multi solar system, even base Vegeta from the first season of DBZ managed to destroy a planet.
Also there's a huge difference between low uni and multiversal. I'd say that SSB is low multiversal or high multi-universal.
Superman in my opinion is galactic at most, please show me a feat where Superman can destroy the universe or at least scales or something like that.
Savage
6 months member
@MoNsTeR Nice edit, he was way to powerful before
Alien_X
12 months member
Neutral Superman consistently shows +universal feats and beyond, SSB is high universal-low multiversal.
And SS2 is solar system anyways, if Superman is galactic that still puts him above SS3
Savage
6 months member
@Tyrannus Thor was an a-lister though, hulk was not. Thor was on the avengers, Hulk was on the defenders. Just think about the 60's and 70's, thor was more popular. Hulk was not meant to be a miniseries, it was cancelled. Thor took over a very popular title. Stan Lee's run on Thor was not as good as his Hulk run in my opinion, but it was more popular. As for the next great writers of the two characters, Walter Simonson just barely edges out Peter David with popularity. Spider-Man didn't start out with a mini-series, he first appeared in Amazing Fantasy because it was already getting cancelled and Martin Goodman thought Spider-Man would be a flop. It was so successful he go a solo comic immediately. The X-Men didn't start out with a mini-series. Wolverine did, and it was hugely successful. Hulk's series actually was cancelled, because it wasn't popular. It wasn't untill the late 80's and 90's really that Hulk became an a-list hero in the general community. The X-Men lost popularity greatly for awhile in the late 60's, but had a rebirth in the 70's, and remained popular to the point where they have the #1 best selling comic in history (X-Men #1 1991). I can't blame late 60's era x-men for not being popular though, for a good amount of time between issues 40 and 100 absolutely nothing interesting was going on. Overall I would say in the 60's the FF and Spider-Man were the most popular by far, followed by the x-men in the early 60's and the avengers in the late 60's. After that was Thor (Western comics and WWII comics were very popular as well). In the 70's The FF, Spider-Man, and the X-Men were the most popular, followed by Thor and the Avengers. In the 80's the FF probably weren't as popular as the X-Men and Avengers, Wolverine became as popular as Spider-Man, and for the first time Hulk became more popular than Thor. In the 90's the X-Men and other mutant comics ruled popularity with an iron fist, followed by marvel cosmic comics, Spider-Man, and Wolverine. This is where the FF hit their lowest point in every way. In the early 2000's the Avengers had a huge surge in popularity, and then the movie industry took control of what had mainstream popularity. That's my take on comic popularity throughout the years (the 40's and 50's are a different matter entirely).
HolyJoe
45 months member
Team The One-Above-All A statement about being omnipotent doesn't mean a character is omnipotent.
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Savage
6 months member
Doctor Doom @Tyrannus He didn't take out any of them (without prep), his shields just withstood blasts from all of them, so BA would have a hard time getting past his shields. I can provide scans if you want. In order for BA to win he would have to be above a doctor strange level sorcerer, plus all Doom's other advantages.
Pedrof
15 months member
Superboy-Prime Superboy-Prime is one of the most underrated characters on the site.
Savage
6 months member
Well we're assuming the asteroid would hit a million people you don't know. So, in one scenario your friend vs a million people, and in another your friend vs a million people. The only difference is how they die, cancer or asteroid. If your argument is that cancer is natural, should a cure never be found at all?
MoNsTeR
12 months member
he should be tier 8
Savage
6 months member
I would disagree, his suits are constantly upgrading, and on Iron Man battles people will use anti-feats from the 70's, even though 70's Iron Man is leagues below Civil War era Iron Man, who would lose handily to any post-Siege Iron Man, who would still be below Iron Man now. Ideally I would just create a forum where people come to a decision about which suit his main profile is, and then I would just add and edit every other suit. I'm working on ranking every iron man suit by power, so that might be helpful as well.
This is all the suits.
The most important ones are Model 1, Model 4, Model 9, Model 13, Model 16, Model 25, Model 29, Model 37, Model 50, Model 51, and Model 68.
Pedrof
15 months member
Goku (Capsule Corp) MUI Goku is enough, Xeno Goku one-shots and Goku (Capsule Corp) stomps.
Pedrof
15 months member
Team Zeno Sama Zeno, Tori-Bot and Zalama solos.