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R165
4 months member
The Presence What's with this voting? all The Presence needs to do is absorb The Writer.
ET9
1 months member
Overvoid The Presence = Vertigo
Overvoid = The Source
R165
4 months member
Neutral Come to think of it, they are just one aspect of The Presence so I think it's a Stalemate.
R165
4 months member
The Presence The Presence blink this Fodder
R165
4 months member
Neutral The Presence blink
R165
4 months member
Yes it is but I haven't seen The Presence and Elaine Belloc upgraded
AkhilPDX
52 months member
Overvoid It's debatable what's higher between the Presence and the Overvoid but the Writer is completely fodder out of those three. Even the Source would be higher.
AkhilPDX
52 months member
If tier 10 is simply boundless, several characters can have it.
AkhilPDX
52 months member
Overvoid TOAA and the Writer are completely different which is supported by the comics themselves. You aren't changing that because it's established already. If anyone has been a hypocrite, it was you this whole time.
Superguy251
6 months member
Superman (Arrowverse) @Jarrindeed @SSpiderGwen @Savage @Vcowles77 @R165 @Pedrof @ET9 @AkhilPDX
R165
4 months member
Neutral The Presence >> The Writer = Overvoid
R165
4 months member
If it's like that, Oversoul Spectre can also because he absorbs The Presence (Oversoul) and merges with Overvoid.
AkhilPDX
52 months member
@Savage I think if Sentry is at the peak of his power, then he would win depending on how fed Galactus is. If it's just standard, he could do it or Wanda could if someone helps distract Galactus for enough of a timeframe for her to build up her power to what they were at during House of M.
ET9
1 months member
The Writer The Presence is God Of DC Universe
The Overvoid is God Of DC Multiverse
The Writer Is God of DC Omniverse
AkhilPDX
52 months member
The Presence and Elaine can definitely get it. The Writer won't though.
AkhilPDX
52 months member
Now that it's been added, I would say the absolute top tiers in fiction keep "omnipotence" while some of the rest are downgraded to "omniversal" (boundless would probably be a better name if we're sticking with VSBW's terminology @Galactus).
R165
4 months member
Add The Presence and Elaine Belloc
AkhilPDX
52 months member
This thread is kind of unnecessary since there's also another giant thread for tier 10 discussions. Just talk about it there.
https://www.superherodb.com/tier-10-read-description/100-4731/
AkhilPDX
52 months member
Before someone starts complaining, no, he's not getting upgraded to tier 10.
Savage
6 months member
Wait why'd you guys comment this here?
AkhilPDX
52 months member
Tier 10 isn't currently a thing but if it was, only for the absolute strongest characters in fiction.
AkhilPDX
52 months member
Vision (House Of Ideas) That's actually sad. Why would you downvote that?
CODsucks
1 months member
Batman batman wins, you can't change my mind
Savage
6 months member
Doctor Doom Celestials

Infinity Gauntlet

Beyonder (this blast knocked Galactus out cold, but not Doctor Doom!)



Doctor Doom is a much more skilled magic user than BA, more powerful too. Doctor Doom is almost as powerful as Dr. Fate by just magic in my opinion.
SSpiderGwen
3 months member
Batman @Savage if Daredevil beats anyone close to a Spider-man level or Thor level. Than that's a huge outlier. Daredevil isn't even on Thor's power and you're saying he defeated someone who can give Thor a fight. That's non-canon I'm sorry man.

Pressure points? Batman can do the same without a doubt my friend. https://imgur.com/Fvgzy2g
In that scan he only used 2 fingers so he's a master pressure pointer as well.
Savage
6 months member
Captain America @Adriel110 Wolverine is above all the characters you mentioned. The Strength part is not debatable.

Captain America learns fighting styles as he see's them, and even figures out how to beat taskmaster. He's also more experienced.
Savage
6 months member
The Dark Knight
Savage
6 months member
Vision (House Of Ideas) Someone downvoted all my comments? Even the one that was just "who"
DeanDinosaur6
40 months member
Captain America (MCU) Even after Walker took the serum, I still pick Steve Rogers.
R165
4 months member
The Presence (Divine Oversoul / True God), Elaine Belloc, Oversoul Spectre, The One Above All, The Writer (All-Writer).
Savage
6 months member
Daredevil Dardevil is pretty strong too, he easily throws over a car


As for fighting skill, Daredevil is a pressure point master, and can one shot people that way

This even works on expert fighters like the punisher

I mean, the things daredevil can do with pressure points are insane. He can blind people instantly and make them feel like they're being burned. (And this is a person stronger and more durable than spider-man for reference)

He's stalemated Captain America, how well above Batman (and that was without his radar sense)
He's gone toe to toe with Sabretooth
He once defeated over 100 Yakuza warriors on strength drugs in less than 3 minutes.
And he once defeated Mr. Hyde! Who goes toe to toe with Thor!
Pedrof
15 months member
The Presence, The Writer, TOAA.
Lazada
3 months member
Team Darth Sidious (Dark Empire) (SWL) @SuperSomebody @Masterking2 @UnusOf2029 @Tigerking2020 Who you vote for? And Why?
Last edited: 25 d ago.
SuperSomebody
1 months member
um, hide somewhere?
idk
ThorMathews
24 months member
How tf is a normal person gonna survive Superman hunting them?
SuperSomebody
1 months member
Shrek @DeanDinosaur @Savage @R165 @MoNsTeR
This is not a meme battle I really wanna know who wins
ThorMathews
24 months member
Sif and Amora. I'm biased.