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Pedrof
15 months member
1st - They don't know if it is a dwarf galaxy, they are going to investigate to know what galaxy it is.
2nd - The Video says that he destroyed both that galaxy and the main one, and the Emperor's Wrath himself says that Vitiate will bring end to everything, I'm sure he is talking about everything, and not just a galaxy or universe.

Even if we don't consider all of space the multiverse, then Sidious was going to destroy ''the universe'' with a force storm, imagine if he used more...
So we can say that Vitiate is multiversal, I mean the Emperor's Wrath said that he would bring end to everything.
DE Sidious is even more powerful than Vitiate so he would be multiversal at least.
GM Luke is 4 times more powerful than DE Sidious.
And that Avatar of Abeloth is even MUCH more powerful than Luke.
ThorMathews
24 months member
Thor Not really
R165
4 months member
2.8?
AkhilPDX
52 months member
I don't think you understand Pedro. No multipliers would ever get anyone to complex multiversal which is something you seem to rely on AD Nauseam for both Star Wars and Dragon Ball.
R165
4 months member
Multi-Oblivion & Multi-Death Characters like Queen of Nevers who scale to HoI have previously died, so it can be concluded that HoI is still bound by death also Beyonder uses all his strength to kill Death (Basic) and we know how strong he is.
AkhilPDX
52 months member
@Pedrof Done.
ThorMathews
24 months member
Low-key feel like a lot of you are mcu stans. There is much better cinema out there compared to the mcu stuff. Mcu stuff is solid but only maybe 2 movies or shows have touched a 9/10.
AkhilPDX
52 months member
All of space could literally be anything. Nothing suggests it's multiversal and without further context, that shouldn't be assumed whatsoever.

That video specifically shows it being a dwarf galaxy which is a small galaxy.

Tearing at the fabric of the universe doesn't necessarily make it universal but I'll accept for now I guess.

That definitely doesn't mean nigh-omnipotent whatsoever so don't even go there and the latter requires more context but I guess it is approaching nigh-omniscience.
Savage
6 months member
Nyx (House Of Ideas) & Vision (House Of Ideas) Multi-Death is solidly the weakest here.
Pedrof
15 months member
I give 9/10 to The Falcon and The Winter Soldier, really good show!!
ThorMathews
24 months member
Sam's story was good but the villain wasn't that good at all. Just annoying and motivations confusing. They should have showed flashbacks of the world after the snap and how it was "better" because in endgame it didn't seem like that at all. Bucky should have been more of a star character but was pretty sidelined for being the second main character. They handled the race thing decently well I thought it was just gonna be some liberal bullshit agenda but it wasn't really. 7/10 for the show for me
Savage
6 months member
Team Beyonder @SMPLegendary Don't compare yourself to @Pedrof. He backs his points up with logic and is always respectful to others. You do neither of those things.
Meerrahmat
7 months member
Team Rune King Thor You mean zeno sama above
RKT
House of M scarlet witch
Cosmic immortal hulk
Thanos Cosmic reguletar
Black prist Dr strange
Franklin richards
White phoenix


Yes I know ziran armor and death seed sentry can't beat zeno sama and Grand priest but ziran armor and death seed sentry can beat all members
ET9
1 months member
The Writer "Fat People have a weak spot."
Meerrahmat
7 months member
Makkari No way flash more powerful and faster than flash
Pedrof
15 months member
@AkhilPDX Oh I forgot, Abeloth's Avatar was powerful enough to be capable of destroying Sith Saber Gavar Khai with a thought.
''She could destroy him with a thought.''

Fate of the Jedi: Ascension

Also Abeloth is nigh-omnipotent and nigh-omniscient, here are the proofs:
Abeloth drank from the Font of Power.
''The first panel showed an aged Abeloth sneaking a drink from the Font of Power, while the Father hurled Force lightning at both the Son and Daughter.''

Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse

Which is said to grant one unlimited power.
"There is no limit to the strength that can be drawn from the Font of Power," Ryontarr replied.

Fate of the Jedi: Abyss


Abeloth bathed in the Pool of Knowledge.
''In the second panel, a much younger-looking Abeloth swam in the Pool of Knowledge, looking sly and defiant as she smiled up at the Father, who stood at the edge of the basin.''

Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse


Which is stated to grant unlimited knowledge.
"Bathe in this pool, and you'll have the answers you seek."
Luke raised a brow. "About Jacen?" he asked. "Or about Mara?"
"About whatever you seek," Ryontarr replied. "This is the Pool of Knowledge, where you will see all that has passed and all that is to come."

Fate of the Jedi: Abyss

As you can see above Luke is also nigh-omniscient.
Lazada
3 months member
Multi-Oblivion & Multi-Death many disagree but Multi-Death is the second strongest character in Marvel, if disagree then my opponent.
R165
4 months member
Multi-Oblivion & Multi-Death Multi-Death is the platonic embodiment of death in Marvel and characters like Queen of Nevers are the embodiment of the possibility that HoI scales to ever die so automatically HoI is still tied to death, and Oblivion has an aspect that covers all of Marvel's verses.

@Slash10 @SuperSomebody @Savage @CosmicKingThor @AkhilPDX @Meerrahmat What your opinion?
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Pedrof
15 months member
@AkhilPDX I don't know where you got "it would take time to destroy the universe or that" from but there is no proof of that and you can see in the 1st video that it wouldn't take time.
Pedrof
15 months member
@AkhilPDX There is not a single proof that those feats would take time, all of space is everything where exists space so I'd assume it is the multiverse.

Here is the proof for Vitiate, and as you can see it doesn't take time:


The Son can easly destroy the universe (ofc he can destroy much more, if The Son escaped Mortis, he would bring an end to the entire franchise, The Daughter wouldn't because she is good, I mean she is the Light Side).


Abeloth's Avatar is at least 12 times stronger than Luke
''It was no good. Abeloth had a dozen times the Force strength Luke had''
Fate of the Jedi: Vortex
ET9
1 months member
it just has a stronger Strike than Saitama.
AkhilPDX
52 months member
Team Beyonder None of that suggests literally anything impressive other than maybe metaphysics. Even then, literally the upgrades you're suggesting are actually hilarious.

Being the supreme being doesn't always give you nigh-omnipotent and based on what you posted, it won't get him that. A wikipedia page about God is irrelevant. Eru is not God so you might as well just stop there.

@TashPuddle That's not disrespecting Tolkien. Characters have said they're omnipotent or have been stated to be omnipotent without directly being omnipotent. Even if we assume Eru is outer, nothing else would change. What you said and what I said are two very different things. If you say Stan Lee is meaningless or that his words are meaningless BECAUSE he's dead, that's definitely disrespectful. If you say it on the basis of Death of the Author in that his words have little meaning outside of the text when not supported by anything, then yes, you'd be correct. Death of the Author doesn't mean the author is literally dead so please don't take my words out of context like that again.
R165
4 months member
The Presence TOAA is not God, he just Embodiment of All Writer!
ET9
1 months member
Neutral TOAA and The Presence are simply the equivalents of the Christian god, they are one and the same thing.
AkhilPDX
52 months member
Sources for all the multipliers.

Darth Sidious was not going to destroy the multiverse. It said all of space and we have no idea how long it would have taken in a finite universe.

All of those took some time and okay, that statement needs to be elaborated on. Nothing you've said supports Abeloth being hyper or outer WHATSOEVER. Especially not the multipliers. I'm not saying Abeloth is on Sidious' level. Tier 5 has a massive range so even with those multipliers, assuming they're true, tier 5 would still be what she gets.
Ti
13 months member
Ben 10 She has those memories because of the bond she had with her parents and yes she knew they didn't come back because they were lost at sea.
R165
4 months member
Elsa (Frozen) it is her strength, how does Elsa have memories when her parents died? He manipulated Ice and mixed it with magic spells to see through the past.
Ti
13 months member
Hulk @AkhilPDX thoughts on this battle?
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Ti
13 months member
Ben 10 Those were memories, she doesn't have the power to look into another person's past like Ben.
R165
4 months member
Elsa (Frozen) it happened in Frozen 2 when Elsa saw the past of her parents and also Elsa defeated the best warrior with Hand to Hand skills.
ET9
1 months member
The-One-Beyond-Everything If God-Yahweh One-beyond-everything can create 100 trillion gods in 1 second, then Jackie Chan can create 2 trillion black cats in 2 seconds.
Ti
13 months member
Ben 10 Since when can Elsa look into the past, plus she's not really a fighter compared to him.
R165
4 months member
Elsa (Frozen) Elsa can see into the past, all Elsa needs to do is find Ben's weaknesses and then kill him.
Ti
13 months member
Ben 10 Yet he still managed to defeat greater foes than her. Ben is more powerful overall and has more versatility, his power is arguably too broken.
R165
4 months member
Trigon & Raven Raven solo
R165
4 months member
Elsa (Frozen) I watched the show and Ben in human form is not as fast as Elsa nor Elsa has Telepathy and Magic to burden Ben.
Ti
13 months member
Ben 10 Ben has very fast reaction time, he can't die due to the watch's failsafe which helped him survive a big bang. Plus he has aliens like Big Chill and Arctiguana that have ice powers too and are immune to it.
R165
4 months member
Kaguya Ōtsutsuki & Sakura @SuperSomebody look Lazada comment
R165
4 months member
Elsa (Frozen) Ben has a slow reaction time and Elsa just needs to freeze him
Ti
13 months member
Ben 10 @R165 you know she will die in a second right?
Ti
13 months member
Mister Mxyzptlk & Dormammu Because @Lazada claimed that they are more powerful than them, which they are not.
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SuperSomebody
1 months member
Mister Mxyzptlk & Dormammu Why did you pit them against the powerhouses Mxy and Galan?
I am curious
SuperSomebody
1 months member
I like the one where b a t m a n
R165
4 months member
Kaguya Ōtsutsuki & Sakura @SuperSomebody ummm