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After seeing even CAPTAIN MARVEL (MCU) TIER 5 AND SAITAMA IS NOT. I'm just disappointed

The Presence And you do realize that all of your claims were all from Sandman comics, right? Vertigo is non-canon to DC so it doesn't apply to the main DCU at all. There are 2 versions of The Presence: Vertigo and the main DCU. In Vertigo, The Presence is treated much differently. The Presence is one with the Overvoid which he admits in the Buddha story. The Buddha (Presence) and Lucifer (Monkey King), here the Monkey King claims he can jump to the Overvoid from Creation in just 1 jump. However, when the Monkey King thinks he beats the Buddha, The Buddha shows his hand and it's the sign that the Monkey King had drawn in the Overvoid so The Presence is one with the Overvoid. So, no matter how many times Lucifer escapes The Prsence's plan, The Presence will always be there and is therefore one with the Overvoid. No escape.



And that isn't the only proof The Presence is one with the Overvoid. One of the writers of Vertigo even admits the Overvoid is only a mere aspect of The Presence.

In Vertigo, The Presence admits that it is a product of outside forces, but this is a reference to the writers of Vertigo but also a reference to the minds and imaginations of humanity. Now, let's switch to the main DCU. The Presence is Grant Morrison (DC writer) since The Presence was caught holding a paint brush in one of the Animal Man series. We all know The Presence is the Abrahamic God in both Vertigo and DCU.



And when Spectre merges with the void beyond all voids, it admits The Presence surpasses everyone and everything in creation. And this the void beyond all voids, FYI.

And by the way, the picture you posted that TOAA admits he sees everything, the mystery intrigues him etc, just realize that claims are NOT facts. TOAA is the most featless character in Marvel so there is absolutely no proof of him being the writer or anything. TOAA's name was never mentioned during the Jack Kirby scene so he isn't the writer. Jack Kirby has his own separate profile. That's why TOAA is at best equal to The Source since The Source is the source of all existence in the DC Omniverse and TOAA is the source of all existence in the Marvel Multiverse. Since The Presence is proved to be Grant Morrison, this means one thing: Writer=True Omnipotence.

May I edit https://www.superherodb.com/rico/10-15314/ , https://www.superherodb.com/kowalski/10-27473/ , & https://www.superherodb.com/private/10-29044/
I think it's about time they get some stats.

Dragon Warrior (Kung Fu Panda) Po mastered his chi

The Presence Nyx admits AAO and TOAA are the same. The Overvoid contains all fiction and that is only an aspect of The Presence. Presence blinkstomps.

Team Rune King Thor RKT i guess

Team Rune King Thor 2 people on team one are x2 score of others

SCP-3812 If you say BC can beat an infinite being you need to go to a mental ward dude (you've gone too far)

Cosmic Immortal Hulk @astrio174, CIH is High Outerversal, he is close to omnipotence

Cosmic Immortal Hulk CIH blinks

Odin his one handed back will crack

Team Lucifer Morningstar Elain might solo

Doomsday Don't forget he regenerates very quickly too..not just about accelerate healing,let's say hulk somehow was able to rip his arm off which would be a difficult task,but for argument sake, DD Would grow it back in an instant...hulk is like one of my favorite here is too but realistically if this was too happen,not good for.hulk..cause Doomsday would kick the crap out of abomination and he's one tuff SOB FOR HULK TO TAKE DOWN...but I still love you HULK LOL

The One-Above-All That wasnt TOAA, that was the above all other, they are not the same thing. Above all others is way weaker then toaa. TOAA stomps

The One-Above-All How does that work though, you said UNBEATABLE when his powers were duplicated, and even if it meant that I'm pretty sure the database would scale him to nigh-omnipotent

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I'm ahuge hulk fan,but doomsday would smack the s__t out of him... pretty bad too...it would be tens times worse then what thanos did to hulk in infinity war except doomsday has no combat skills

Spectre ZH Parallax>Hal Spectre>>>Parallax

Thor Never mind but you never proved that.

Team Starfire Nyx [House of Ideas] Solos

Team The Presence The presence solos

This site: Overvoid>> The presence = the source
Reality (DC): The Presence>>> Overvoid = the source

The One-Above-All @EnDico Tbh i had no intention on bringing my presence debunks again. But it looks like you left me no choice. So be it.
1. Presence is shaped by some external forces , and those external forces are human's dream confirmed by mike carey and in sandman issue 18. , , , , this is supported when morpheus said all gods begin from his realm https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5877888-sandman%2030%20gods%20are%20born%20and%20die%20in%20his%20realm.jpg , so presemce is atbest collective unconsiousness tier in marvel and that means he is at best equal to gods like thor , odin etc. , , , , again if you bring the scan of presence holding a brush then let me remind you even gwenpool has better feats then this , , , Again sea of brahma is beyond presence where even lucifer can go , and even blight is above presence , even ellaine belloc can hide things from presence , so yeah best of luck proving presence

25 percent would be gone

Dragonborn Do you know that daedric artifacts make dragonborn able to affect oblivion which contains infinite dimensions and even without that Link can't interact with a type 5 acausal

The One-Above-All @EnDico 2. "TOAA is at best equal to The Source in DC. The Source is the source of all existence in DC making The Source the Omniverse itself, which completely matches TOAA except TOAA is only Multiversal. "- ok now we have our source😂😂😂 who is so strong that he got bodied by skyfather's , , also source is featless. I have doubts that is it really above marvel's odin😂😂😂.
3. "The Source and TOAA are both a massive beam of energy so they are equal but TOAA is only Multiversal while The Source is Omniversal. The Source is the Omniverse itself while TOAA is the multiverse itself. Also, TOAA admits it isn't true omnipotent."- This is infinity conflict which is not canon , so toaa is true omnipotent.
4. "TOAA is not the true god of Marvel. In fact, there are no omnipotent beings in Marvel as of right now. The only omnipotent being in Marvel is Jack Kirby since he made his own appearance in Marvel. Other than that, there are no omnipotent beings in Marvel."-All of your scans have been debunked. You should stop being ironic here. Toaa is omnipotent. You never proved why he is not omnipotent. So stop voting presence. This is actually fanboyism

The One-Above-All @Lazada Sure you should at least read my comment before making fake allegiation on me . I never used b*** or f****. I think you are onto something lol.
@EnDico Follow? I have no reason for following you. I just saw you telling same things again so i just ce to defend toaa here.
1. "Nobody is going to agree with you so knock it off. When TOAA says, "The mystery intrigues me," it means there is a mystery that interests TOAA so he isn't omniscient. You think I worship DC a little to much? Look at yourself for once, you worship and treat TOAA as if he is above omnipotence like he can solo anyone in any comic book but TOAA is the dumbest most pathetic fodder I have ever seen in my life. Regulator Thanos stomped TOAA and Protege stomped TOAA. "- Again is it your hobby to bring up same scans again and again. First, mystery is a place in marvel , it is the next place in marvel beyond the farshore , so your entire point is wrong. Again scathan the approver destroyed protege , and toaa>>>scathan the approver. Again that was an avatar of toaa. True toaa embodies every single real world author , writer , reader( meaning every single writer are his aspects ) , so protege just copied an weakened avatar of toaa. About regulator thanos then the above all others that got defeated was within deep space , and true above all others(one above all others) exists within hoi , so that above all others was basically an m body's m body. True one above all >>>true above all others >>>above all others . Again infinity conflict is non canon , again that jack kirby and toaa are same. Jack kirby said , "the mystery intrigues me" meaning mystery worships him , and mystery worships toaa. Toaa also said the same sentence ,"the mystery intrigues me" , so again that was toaa and you can not ignore that. Also it proves toaa is omniscient.

Link Not a stomp. Not every battle is a stomp.
Close fight tho.

And somehow Hulk was referring to Avengers as his friends, even though he is actually fighting against them at present. Aaron not caring a bit about continuity like always.

Team The One-Above-All @Lazada You know you are honestly lucky that i was muted so i could not reply back to you.
1. Yeah good ignorance. There is an entire bunch of scans proving that i am correct.
2. Marvel never uses omniverse as multiverse's synonym. Ofc this is not a metaphor. You never proved me wrong.

Manwë (True Form) One Shot

Discombobulate.

Sherlock Holmes This mustn't register on an emotional level. First, discombobulate. Distract target, then block his blind jab. Counter with cross to left cheek. discombobulate.
Dazed, he'll attempt a wild hay-maker, employ elbow block, discombobulate and body shot. Block feral left, weaken right jaw, discombobulate.
Now fracture. Break cracked ribs, traumatize solar plexus, discombobulate. Dislocate jaw entirely. Heel kick to diaphragm, discombobulate . In summary, discombobulate.
Ears ringing, jaw fractured, three ribs cracked, four broken, diaphragm hemorrhaging, discombobulate.
Physical recovery, 6 weeks, full psychological recovery, 6 months, capacity to spit at back of head, neutralized. Discombobulate

Dexter Morgan Discombobulate.

Beerus One Shot

@ThorMatthews I Enjoy Season 3 & 4, Yes I Know those are the Most Hated Seasons of Arrow but I Just Enjoy them, I Don't Know why,

But it was good show ngl

Galactus

Galactus

Galactus

Neutral I will just vote Neutral.

Galactus Galactus does not have true form

Falcon and the winter soldier

Neutral How?

Grand Master Skywalker (SWL) Wtf? Luke can one-shot Thanos, I mean, Thanos is powerful, but he's not on Luke's level.

Team The One-Above-All This battle is basically a creation vs her creators. Not even plot armor saves her.