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Discussion of the stats of the characters.

Created by Pedrof, 1 mo 13 d ago.

Here you can make suggestions of stats for characters and you can say what you agree and disagree with the statistics of the characters.
Here is a list of badly edited characters.

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Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 1 mo 4 d
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The Writer (Grant Morrison) is omnipotent. There is lots of evidence supporting this and no evidence to the contrary. His stats should be changed.
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Atemporal
Atemporal 1 mo 3 d
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Outerversal. Limbo Tier in the best in cases.
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 1 mo 3 d
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Nope, boundless.
Atemporal
Atemporal 1 mo 3 d
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Nice Joke, he demonstrated his dominance in Limbo and nothing else, he is fodder for CAS and Mandrakk LOL
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 1 mo 3 d
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You’re a certified troll so I’m not even taking you seriously at this point.
Atemporal
Atemporal 1 mo 3 d
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You can't prove it's "Boundless" and it also died. stop making the "troll" excuse just because you can't properly debate.
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 1 mo 3 d
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That was the avatar of the writer, and he wrote for that to happen. Also, he didn't die. It was part of the story he was writing. It's not an excuse. You're the guy who keeps arguing that Batman solos teams because he kicked the Spectre one time, even though it's obvious Spectre just did it to make him feel better. So check your own skills before you say I can't debate.
Savage
Savage 1 mo 3 d
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@Atemporal You're not exactly in the position to diss @Mr_Incognito's debating skills
Atemporal
Atemporal 1 mo 3 d
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@Savage Why not?
Savage
Savage 1 mo 3 d
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@Atemporal Because you would never win a debate against him
Atemporal
Atemporal 1 mo 3 d
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xDXD
Savage
Savage 1 mo 3 d
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Savage
Savage 1 mo 4 d
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All the phoenix powered characters should have some level of consistency
masterking2
masterking2 1 mo 5 d
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beast boy should be altered due to the basis of his powers since we know he can become aliens maybe not some of ben 10s level transformation but pretty high
MS643262
MS643262 1 mo 5 d
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I think Scarlet Witch (MCU) should be updated based on Wandavision. Perhaps a tier up, or adding time/mind manipulation, transmutation.
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masterking2
masterking2 1 mo 5 d
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definitely i mean shes making a new reality
R165
R165 1 mo 5 d
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The Writer must be Omnipotent in the DC verse
Savage
Savage 1 mo 5 d
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I think that classic hulk should go down a tier
MS643262
MS643262 1 mo 6 d
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If we are suggesting changes to character stats, here's one for Bayonetta:
Bayonetta punched Jubileius, a casual Planet buster, across the solar system. Then, she rushed across as well as to make it back to the earth's atmosphere to destroy Jubileus' remains. This makes her several hundred times the speed of light. The speed for her should most likely be max speed.
Bayonetta lifted a satelitte (with her legs), which weighed approximately 8.4525e+14 kilograms, with her legs. Her strength should be max strength.
TheOneinMusic
TheOneinMusic 1 mo 6 d
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Melkor (true form) is nigh-omp
vcowles77
vcowles77 1 mo 7 d
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Lucy (Kaeda) needs stats.
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Savage
Savage 1 mo 8 d
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This is a weird opinion, but I think the Black Winter should have no stats at all, since we don't know enough about him.
His current stats seem way too low, but we don't really know enough to give him proper stats
Ezio
Ezio 1 mo 9 d
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Anyone who has a problem with flash (Wally West) stat, enter their ustats for both Barry Allen and Wally West. I update them together, because in my opinion, some of the powers Barry does not have, have been given to him.
Enternity10
Enternity10 1 mo 9 d
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Momoshiki needs stats
Galactus
Galactus 1 mo 12 d
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I could remove the SHDb Stats and just keep the uStats... 🤷🏼‍♂️
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Savage
Savage 1 mo 12 d
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That's an interesting idea, but it also seems like it could go very wrong very quick. Personally, I like the idea of it staying how it is, and people just suggest changes in this forum.
R165
R165 1 mo 5 d
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The Writer must be Omnipotent in the DC verse
Enternity10
Enternity10 1 mo 12 d
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Beyonder Should Have the same power rating as Michael Demiugorus
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Pedrof
Pedrof 1 mo 12 d
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Michael is more powerful.
Enternity10
Enternity10 1 mo 12 d
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I know but he should have the same power rating
Galactus
Galactus 1 mo 12 d
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You made it sound like that list you created is fact, but it's your opinion. I feel that this opinion (not just yours, but for a lot of users) is based on the Class, which is not the right way to look at it.
If you comment something like 'character x needs at least Class 300K', I can assume all its stats and super powers are correct and this character doesn't need any more editing on the stats.
You shouldn't change the stats/powers only to get a higher/lower Class, because you will need to put in incorrect values to achieve this.

I would like to suggest the following;
Create a list (or collection) with characters that most of you agree on have the right stats and powers (ignoring Class). If enough characters are on the list, make a sub-list of characters that have a wrong Class.

This way I can tweak the Class calculation to get a better Class for every character.
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Pedrof
Pedrof 1 mo 12 d
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Galactus, what I'm trying to say is that some people put characters like Aline X who is nigh-omnipotent and Tier 9, Tier 6 and with many missing powers, and then the characters they like have Tier 8 and powers that the characters don't have, for exemple Odin. For example the case of Zeno Sama, he is more powerful than Base Xeno Goku, who is low complex multiversal and Xeno Goku SS4 is high complex multiversal, and they put Zeno tier 7 when he should be tier 8.
I think there are people who put the stats of the characters worst because they don't like and put the stats of the ones they like higher.
Pedrof
Pedrof 1 mo 12 d
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Also Tori-Bot is a writer, he should be at least nigh-omnipotent, equal to ''the writer'' from DC, but he is not because the mod who edited him don't like dragon ball.
Savage
Savage 1 mo 12 d
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@Galactus I don't agree with most of that list, I just think Warlock should get a huge power boost
Savage
Savage 1 mo 12 d
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Actually never mind, I just checked Warlock's page again
xrpl320
xrpl320 1 mo 12 d
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Just ignore stats if you disagree with them, and vote for whatever character you believe would win.
You can also write a comment under a battle to make your reasoning transparent to other users.
The beauty of SHDB is freedom of opinions, and also your freedom to completely ignore dimensional tiers, because more frequently than not Tiers really ARE completely irrelevant (missing the point) for the purpose of guessing a likely "winner" for a battle.
Random (wanked) Tiers from fandom wikis have become "too" much of a (fallacious) type of knockout argument on so many other debating forums.
SHDB is nigh perfect the way it is, it's a true alternative to fandom wikis thanks to its more sophisticated formula (trying to factor in more than only 1 statistic which could be relevant in a battle).
Ti
Tigerking2020 1 mo 13 d
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Madara Uchiha definitely deserves one and class I argue should be around 100K to 250K: https://www.superherodb.com/madara-uchiha/10-12336/
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Ezio
Ezio 1 mo 13 d
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He tried to conquer a planet and failed, He killed by an alien pet!, He obviously not above Planetary / Star.
Ti
Tigerking2020 1 mo 13 d
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I'm not saying tier should be higher, it's class that needs to be higher. I'd say strength, speed, durability, and power deserve to be a little higher. Tier I agree and Intelligence are good where they are.
Savage
Savage 1 mo 13 d
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Galactus (Well Feed) should not have 80 for combat, normal Galactus has 50, which seems more accurate. Either way Galactus doesn't become a better fighter when well feed.
Savage
Savage 1 mo 13 d
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Galactus (World Butcher) needs to be updated, since he's now the weakest galactus by the stats
Ti
Tigerking2020 1 mo 13 d
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Here are some I found so far:
The Presence https://www.superherodb.com/the-presence/10-10899/ : He should be omnipotent, not nigh-omnipotent because he is the Creator and God of the DC universe
The Writer: https://www.superherodb.com/the-writer/10-12700/ : Same reason as The Presence but should at least be above him
Deadpool: https://www.superherodb.com/deadpool/10-835/ : An update is long overdue for him, He deserves a higher class. Fourth wall, Invulnerability, Immortality, and Longevity deserve to go under high stats. Teleportation is already fine under low stats.
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Savage
Savage 1 mo 13 d
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I feel like all of those profiles are fine
Pedrof
Pedrof 1 mo 12 d
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I think that the only one who should be omnipotent is The writer, there can only be one omnipotent being.
Galactus
Galactus 1 mo 12 d
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Why can there only be one Omnipotent being?
Pedrof
Pedrof 1 mo 12 d
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Because to be omnipotent, a being need to be capable of anything, if there's another omnipotent being he can't kill the other omnipotent being and so neither of them are omnipotent because they can't do everything.
Ti
Tigerking2020 1 mo 12 d
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@Pedrof there can be two or more omnipotents, Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, and The One-Above-All are omnipotent. The Writer and The Presence are both omnipotent.
Ti
Tigerking2020 1 mo 12 d
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@Pedrof Also, you have to have zero weaknesses in order to be officialy omnipotent as well.
Galactus
Galactus 1 mo 12 d
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Why do Omnipotent beings have to be able to kill each other? They can exist side by side.
Ti
Tigerking2020 1 mo 12 d
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That's what I said @Galactus
Pedrof
Pedrof 1 mo 12 d
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But in that case two of them are from real life, not a comic, The One-Above-All is their representation in comics.
Pedrof
Pedrof 1 mo 12 d
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Ok, the old mods on this site explained it to me differently.
Galactus
Galactus 1 mo 12 d
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They are old mods for a reason 😂
Ti
Tigerking2020 1 mo 13 d
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Found one: Rick Sanchez: https://www.superherodb.com/rick-sanchez/10-11217/

His power and class deserve to be higher all thanks to the numerous powerful inventions he made during the whole show. Plus some abilities should be added and sorted under high, medium, and low.
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Savage
Savage 1 mo 13 d
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IG Thanos should have higher stats, but also go down a tier.
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 1 mo 13 d
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Literally, most of the Marvel & DC characters on this list are completely fine. Pedro has yet to show a single piece of evidence that would either upgrade or downgrade a single one of these characters.

The Star Wars ones will eventually be updated. Patience is all that's required there.
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Savage
Savage 1 mo 13 d
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Honestly all I care about is Warlock
I think the point of the forum and the collection is just so everyone can voice their opinions on characters
Michealdem17
Michealdem17 1 mo 13 d
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They're many DC characters are downplayed while marvel is wanked, prolly cause majority here are Marveltars
Savage
Savage 1 mo 13 d
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@Michealdem17 What are some examples?
Michealdem17
Michealdem17 1 mo 13 d
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Downplayed: Superboy prime, wally west, also I'm not listing Characters like superman, gl, wonder woman and others but they're so downplayed as well
Overrated: Every marvel got tiers. Tho Mid tiers are Fine
Savage
Savage 1 mo 13 d
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Yo why was that comment reported?
Savage
Savage 1 mo 13 d
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Define marvel god tier. Like TOAA, or like Galactus
Oblivion
Oblivion 1 mo 12 d
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The fact that they flagged michael's comment shows how idiotic these frauds are
Michealdem17
Michealdem17 1 mo 12 d
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Lol, Reporting is all you can do when you can't accept the fact that You're Favorite verse is weak af
Pedrof
Pedrof 1 mo 12 d
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I agree with @Michealdem17.
Savage
Savage 1 mo 13 d
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Okay, so the stats for Sentry needs to be changed. First off, does the Sentry even need a separate profile of when he's stable?
Secondly, Sentry has 337k stats, and stable sentry has 1.8 million! That's a crazy difference, he doesn't become a whole new character when his head is a little clearer.
Some other things
-They should be same same tier
-According to the stats he gets dumber when stable
-At the same time he apparently becomes a better fighter when stable
-Stable Sentry has high level absorption, normal Sentry has no absorption
-Normal Sentry has high level berserk mode powers, stable Sentry has none
And a ton more problems like that. I haven't put in stats for either yet, because I want to here others opinions first, but my point is that either way the stats need to reflect each other, and make sense in the end, whether he's more powerful or less so.
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AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 1 mo 13 d
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Stable Sentry is significantly stronger and that's shown by feats. If anything, both profiles require a massive upgrade.
Savage
Savage 1 mo 13 d
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I agree that they both should be more powerful.
Stable Sentry isn't 5 times more powerful than normal Sentry though, maybe twice as powerful at most.
My point is that there are problems that just don't line up, for instance in no way would normal Sentry ever be smarter than stable Sentry
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 1 mo 13 d
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Well, a Stable Sentry has feats like being capable of replicating House of M which is a significantly higher feat than what he can generally do. There's more to it as well.
Savage
Savage 1 mo 13 d
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Okay, but that still doesn't explain things like their intelligence changing
Savage
Savage 1 mo 13 d
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If the Hulk is tier 6, why shouldn't the Thing be tier 6?
Ezio
Ezio 1 mo 13 d
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Did any of you ever ask to update warlock or at least enter your ustats or you just know how to nag?
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Tigerking2020 1 mo 13 d
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We've entered UStats, We are just discussing the official stats on some characters because we are locked from doing so, and sharing proof as to why they deserve edits.
Savage
Savage 1 mo 13 d
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@Ezio On Warlock's page I entered ustats and said his power should be much higher.
Ezio
Ezio 1 mo 13 d
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And that's why I dont give you marvel, pedrof star wars, r165 dc characters to edit
Savage
Savage 1 mo 13 d
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Okay actually that's my bad, I changed my ustats for him, before they were too high.
What's wrong with my ustats for him? Like, specifically.
Ti
Tigerking2020 1 mo 13 d
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Pedrof
Pedrof 1 mo 13 d
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Done
Ti
Tigerking2020 1 mo 13 d
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MoNsTeR
MoNsTeR 1 mo 13 d
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i need to start with alien x 1.5M like really 😅
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Pedrof
Pedrof 1 mo 13 d
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I prefer his old stats
MoNsTeR
MoNsTeR 1 mo 13 d
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yea same
Pedrof
Pedrof 1 mo 13 d
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I have to say, how is Odin with 65M and tier 8? I'd say he deserves 3M
MoNsTeR
MoNsTeR 1 mo 13 d
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yeah its too much and odin base form is not hyperversal at all lol mid multiversal at best
even with destroyer armor can't even beat one celestial 😄 celestials are high multiversal to mid hyperversal
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MoNsTeR
MoNsTeR 1 mo 13 d
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hehe zeus vishnu and odin combined power can't beat celestial 😆
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Ti
Tigerking2020 1 mo 13 d
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https://ben10.fandom.com/wiki/Alien_X His ability on here says omnipotence and it's on the official B10 wiki page.

It says this and I quote:
"Alien X is omnipotent, being able to warp reality, time, and space with ease and at any level he wishes. Even his thoughts can become real. In short, Alien X can do anything."

Alien X is definitely not omnipotent but definitely falls into the Nigh-Omnipotent range, plus changing the animation style of your own show is another reason that proves why and it's a very rare ability.
Ti
Tigerking2020 1 mo 13 d
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AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 1 mo 13 d
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@MoNsTeR Who said they had to beat Celestials to be tier 8?

Alien X is not tier 8 nor is he nigh-omnipotent. He hasn't done anything to get him either rating.
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Tigerking2020 1 mo 13 d
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@AkhilPDX the writers and the show confirmed Alien X is nigh-omnipotent. The reason why he doesn't have that many feats and barely appeared in the show was because of how overpowered he was.
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 1 mo 13 d
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Many characters have statements like that. We don't all give them nigh-omnipotence or omnipotence.
Savage
Savage 1 mo 13 d
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Give him all the powers you want, but at the end of the day he's just tier 6.