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Darth SidiousvsMace Windu

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Darth SidiousSheev PalpatineStar Wars
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2099
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Darth Sidious I usually agree with SHDB stats about Star wars. I appreciate that Vader has higher powers stats than Yoda just like George Lucas said. I also agree that Obi-wan is stronger than Luke and a bit weaker than Count Dooku, characters from sequels are weak af compared to old OGs, though In my opinion, Mace Windu's powers are overestimated. He may is barely more powerful Jedi than Kenobi prime and as powerful as Dooku was during the clone wars, but Windu is not superior than darth sidious. No matter whether Palpatine lost on purpose or not. He (The emperor) has so many better feats than the Jedi who never been considered as powerful as Yoda was and had even battle against mother Talzin.
Da
Darth_Angelus 8 mo 21 d
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Neutral Pretty balanced due to Vaapad. Otherwise, Sidious has stronger Force powers in general.
Pfxudxxdu
Pfxudxxdu 9 mo 18 d
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Darth Sidious Mace tramples him with the Laser Sword, but the Sword means nothing against Sidious Dark Empire, which makes holes in Time Space
Mandos9452
Mandos9452 10 mo 19 d
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Darth Sidious Mace windu is so overrated
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Poe
Poe 10 mo 19 d
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Darth Sidious Yup
Pedrof
Pedrof 1 y 4 mo 20 d
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Darth Sidious DE Sidious >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> RotJ / Canon Sidious > Yoda >>> Darth Vader >>> Mace Windu >= Obi-Wan >>> Darth Vader (pre-mustafar) > Anakin Light Side
DarthNihilus003
DarthNihilus003 2 y 3 mo 5 d
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Darth Sidious The votes are even.
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DarthNihilus003
DarthNihilus003 2 y 3 mo 3 d
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Darth Sidious Never mind.
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 2 y 3 mo 12 d
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Darth Sidious
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Tyrannus
Tyrannus 2 y 3 mo 12 d
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Mace Windu Doesn't matter. Mace beat Sidious fair and square.
DarthNihilus003
DarthNihilus003 2 y 3 mo 10 d
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Darth Sidious You changed your vote I see.
Tyrannus
Tyrannus 2 y 3 mo 2 d
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Mace Windu I never did
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 2 y 3 mo 2 d
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Darth Sidious He was talking to me. I still do think Windu bodies RotS or even RotJ Palpatine but I changed my vote because of DE Palps and how the novel talked about how Mace was struggling to block the lightning and that he could only disarm Palpatine because of fear that wasn't really there.
Tyrannus
Tyrannus 2 y 3 mo 2 d
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Mace Windu Mace still could have killed him at anytime.
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 2 y 5 mo 8 d
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Darth Sidious Darth Sidious Is far more powerful
Bane333
Bane333 2 y 6 mo 4 d
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Mace Windu In a Duel Mace by a hair, in a force fight, Sidious by far
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Tyrannus
Tyrannus 2 y 6 mo 4 d
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Mace Windu @Bane333 In a duel it's always a stomp for Mace because he uses his opponent's dark side against them. Sidious is all about the dark side
Galagatus
Galagatus 2 y 6 mo 6 d
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Darth Sidious Darth Sidious > Dr. Doom > Mace Windu
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DeanDinosaur6
DeanDinosaur6 2 y 6 mo 6 d
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Darth Sidious Just wondering, why did you choose Dr Doom.
Tyrannus
Tyrannus 2 y 6 mo 6 d
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Mace Windu @Galagatus Check again, Mace stomped Sidious.
DeanDinosaur6
DeanDinosaur6 2 y 6 mo 4 d
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Darth Sidious In ROTS, Sidious wasn't trying that much. He was just holding off Mace until Anakin came and saw that duel. You can tell how much more Sidious is trying against Yoda than Mace.
DeanDinosaur6
DeanDinosaur6 2 y 6 mo 4 d
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Darth Sidious And this is Dark Empire Sidious who is much more powerful than any Skywalker Saga Sidious.
Tyrannus
Tyrannus 2 y 6 mo 4 d
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Mace Windu @DeanDinosaur6 I don't know why people keep thinking that. Even if George Lucas hadn't confirmed Mace won fairly, how would seeing the dead bodies of jedi and suddenly firing lightening help his case?
Jakcj
Jakcj 3 y 1 mo 27 d
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Mace Windu Hard to decide
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Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 3 y 1 mo 26 d
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Darth Sidious It might be easier to decide when you take into account that this is Dark Empire Palpatine who is much more powerful than Revenge of the Sith Palpatine who is much weaker than Return of the Jedi Palpatine.
LordTracer
LordTracer 3 y 2 mo 10 h 49 m
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Darth Sidious DE Sidious >>> RotJ Sidious > Vader > Windu
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Tyrannus
Tyrannus 3 y 1 mo 28 d
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Mace Windu Windu > Sidious > Vader. Windu's use of Vaapad meant that the more powerful a darkside user, the more power it gave him to use against them
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 3 y 1 mo 28 d
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Darth Sidious No, @LordTracer is right. Mace is very reliant on Vaapad and without it he struggled against Asajj Ventress someone a padawan Anakin could beat.
LordTracer
LordTracer 3 y 1 mo 28 d
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Darth Sidious Windu is not superior to Sidious, hell no. Vaapad is not a Force based technique. Sidious would absolutely obliterate Mace in Force power. Dueling skill is a different story. And Vader is easily superior to Mace, as Vader is 80% of RotJ Sidious' power, and RotJ Sidious > RotS Sidious.
Tyrannus
Tyrannus 3 y 1 mo 27 d
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Mace Windu Windu is Superior to Sidious because he beat him with ease in ROTS. Windu's actually known for his being able to use his opponents darkside energy against them. It's why he struggled more against Grievous than he did Sidious. You need to watch ROTS again. Lucas himself says Mace beat him fairly
LordTracer
LordTracer 3 y 1 mo 27 d
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Darth Sidious Better. Dueling. Skill. Does. Not. Equal. Superior. Power. Also I don't know what fight you watched, but Mace did not easily beat Sidious. And with the way Vaapad works, Mace was only using Sidious' own power against him, so you can't claim that Mace is stronger. Also Mace didn't struggle against Grievous at all, the hell? He easily one-shot Grievous. Then there's still the fact that SIDIOUS GOT STRONGER AFTER ROTS AND ROTJ. You keep overlooking the fact that this is not RotS Sidious, it is DE Sidious, who at that time, was the most powerful mortal Force wielder to ever live.
Tyrannus
Tyrannus 3 y 1 mo 27 d
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Mace Windu It doesn't matter that Sidious's power was more than Mace. It wasn't enough which is why he lost. Mace literally kicks him to the grounds and has him at his mercy. The more powerful the darkside user the more powerful Mace becomes. You keep going on about him getting stronger but that only helps Mace.
I was talking about the book labyrinth of evil not the clone wars show. It you don't know all the evidence don't act like an expert.
Who said this is DE not ROTS Sidious now? It just says Sidious
LordTracer
LordTracer 3 y 1 mo 27 d
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Darth Sidious It has literally always been DE Sidious. It was never RotS Sidious, and RotJ Sidious has a different profile. Mace winning in the end does not equal him defeating Sidious "with ease," as you said. And you do realize that Vaapad isn't going to help Mace if he doesn't get into a duel, right? Sidious is not a fan of lightsabers, and will more often than not use his Force abilities (which far outshine Mace's) to overpower him. Sidious likely wouldn't even need to draw his lightsaber. And it's quite hypocritical for you to say not to act like an expert when you're acting as if what is said in Dark Empire is invalid, assuming this isn't Dark Empire Sidious despite it being stated several times to be that version and not even knowing what powerscaling is.
Tyrannus
Tyrannus 3 y 1 mo 27 d
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Mace Windu Mace humiliated Sidious. He was on the ground panicking. He nearly died.
Sidous did use the force because he used force scream before the fight began and it still wasn't enough. In the book it said Sidious was moving so fast it was like looking at a blur of red light (which is why the other jedi died). He went all out against Mace. If Sidious was so far superior in the force to Mace why didn't just use the force then? It's because it wasn't enough. George Lucas himself had to say in the DVD commentary that Mace beat him fairly because so many people (like you) couldn't believe what happened.
I have acknowledged DE Sidious because you keep going on and on about it. You mention DE in almost every reply. I'm sure you'll mention it in your next reply too. Watch
LordTracer
LordTracer 3 y 1 mo 27 d
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Darth Sidious After the fight. That was after the fight was over, it does not mean Mace stomped him. That's like saying because Vader was on the ground missing his legs and arm, Kenobi stomped him.

Sidious did not use the Force scream in an offensive manner as someone like Revan, or Meetra Surik would have done. He used it to intimidate, not to destroy. And you actually have no evidence to support Sidious' Force ability not being enough. George Lucas said Mace beat Sidious fair and square, referring to how the fight went in the movie. He did not say Mace would have beat Sidious no matter what.

Clearly you aren't acknowledging it because you're acting like this is only RotS Sidious and ignoring all the feats and scaling he has afterwards. I have to mention it because you keep ignoring it and acting as if it's irrelevant.
Tyrannus
Tyrannus 3 y 1 mo 26 d
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Mace Windu Lol listen to what your saying. "That was after the fight was over". Mace literally kicks him in the face and Sidious goes crawling away. The fight wasn't over because he uses force lightening afterwards. It was far from over. Obi-Wan and Anakin were fairly even throughout their fight but with Mace he grabs Sidious's arm at one point during the duel and looks at Sidious's scared face. Sidious jumps around attacking from all sides but can't break Windu's defence.
Force scream can only be used offensively.
The evidence is called George Lucas. If the guy who created star wars says Mace beat Sidious fairly then it's fact. Sidious fought Mace and still lost. There's no rematch. Sidious was about to die.
Again I've acknowledged DE every time your brought it up. You just don't seem to like the answer because the truth hurts I suppose.
LordTracer
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Darth Sidious That was the end of the duel, so again, the ending of the duel does not equal a stomp, otherwise Kenobi v. Vader on Mustafar would be considered a stomp. Sidious and Mace were even throughout their fight and there were points where Mace couldn't get through Sidious' guard. And since you like to take one specific moment from the fight and overblow it, Sidious had a huge-ass smile at one point when he and Mace were on the windowsill, by your logic that means Sidious must have had the advantage.

Wrong, the Force scream is not only an offensive technique and there are numerous examples other than Sidious of it not being used offensively. Hell, there's less examples of it being offensive than anything else.

Again, George Lucas said Mace beat Sidious fair and square WITH HOW THAT FIGHT WENT. Do you have any proof of him saying that Mace would have won no matter what? Because if not, you can't say for a fact that Mace would have won that fight no matter any other variables such as Sidious not once using an offensive Force maneuver in that fight.

No, you haven't acknowledged it, because you're clearly unaware of the fact that Sidious is stated to be the strongest Force wielder OF ALL TIME in Dark Empire or you're just ignoring it and acting like this is only RotS Sidious.
Tyrannus
Tyrannus 3 y 1 mo 25 d
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Mace Windu You said fight not dual. Don't change your words.

Mace literally stomps Sidious in the face even. In fact it's one of the biggest stomps in all the star wars movies. The fight was only making Mace stronger. He had control over the whole fight. I'm not focusing on 1 point of the fight I only brought it up because your acting like Sidious was doing alright. The fight is full of things showing Mace was in control and winning (e.g. triple dodge, grapping Sidious arm and looking starignt in the face, Sidious begging for his life saying "please don't").

The whole point of Lucas saying Mace won fairly was so that people (like you) would put the doubts to rest. How specific with his words does he need to be. Mace wins. The winning no matter what point is stupid. That's like saying if Mace Windu beat a clone trooper it doesn't mean Mace is better than the clone no matter what because there's still a chance. Both Mace and Sidious were ready and Sidious will lost.
Lol it's funny how you accuse me of ignoring DE even though I've read it and yet you ignore the video which has the evidence you need. Don't ask for evidence if you won't look at it
LordTracer
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Darth Sidious It's the same damn thing... the fight was a lightsaber duel, the words are interchangeable here. By the way, it's duel in this context, not dual.

If it was a stomp, Sidious would not be holding his own, as he did in the fight. A stomp involves low to zero retaliation from one party, not actively and skillfully holding their own. And Sidious begging for Mace not to kill him was, again, AFTER THE FIGHT WAS OVER.

Lucas said Mace beat Sidious. He did not say Mace would have won no matter what, I don't know how you can't understand this. Your analogy doesn't work because there is literally no way for a clone trooper to defeat Mace and Sidious USED ZERO OFFENSIVE FORCE POWERS DURING THE FIGHT. The Force is Sidious' greatest weapon, and he never used it to his advantage until after the fight was over.

You're still dodging the fact that Sidious is stated to be the strongest Force wielder of all time in Dark Empire.
Tyrannus
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Mace Windu If it's the same thing then it's still a stomp. Sure Sidious resisted at first but it ends up being a stomp. The fight wasn't over because Sidious still used sith lighting. He hadn't surrendered.

I can't understand how you can doubt the creator of star wars. Just because he wasn't specific enough with his words your still holding onto hope for Sidious. That fight was pretty fair anyway so even if they had a rematch the outcome wouldn't be different. I brought up the clone trooper example because you said Lucas didn't say that he would win no matter what. If we look at it that way then you can say a clone trooper has a 0.01% chance of winning in the right scenario. Technically that's not Mace winning no matter what. But the Sidious vs Mace fight was a fair fight so that doesn't matter.

Why didn't Sidious use he greatest weapon then? It wasn't enough to save him. Sometimes lightsabers are needed. He did actually use an offensive force ability when he used force scream. It was used to throw off the other jedi and worked. He was even using back flips. An old man can't do that without the force.

I haven't dodged DE. I've already said the stronger Mace's opponent in the darkside, the more he could use it against them. DE actually hurts your case.
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 3 y 2 mo 1 d
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Darth Sidious According to the RotS novel, Mace beat Palpatine due to his skill and use of Vaapad not because Palpatine threw the fight to turn Anakin.
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Tyrannus
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Mace Windu Even George Lucas said so in the DVD commentary. Also if you believe this why didn't you vote?
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 3 y 2 mo 10 h 51 m
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Darth Sidious Can't really argue when both the commentary and the novel agree.

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