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Tyrannus
Tyrannus 5 mo 13 d
Darkseid
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Can someone explain something for me? Darkseid's supposed to exist outside of the multiverse right? So that would mean COIE and all the other retons didn't effect him. He's supposed to be forth dimensional meaning when he falls he drags the multiverse with him. So what's the deal with his true form and his avatars? Was it his true form or his avatars that dragged the multiverse? How is he beaten by lesser beings like Doomsday and Superman. Also when the JL go to Apokolips are they meeting his true form or his avatars and if it's his avatars where's the real Darkseid? There's supposed to only be one Darkseid right?
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Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 5 mo 13 d
Darkseid
Sure. Darkseid's true form exists in a different plane of existence called the "Fourth World". When the true Darkseid attempted to enter the universe, and when he started to fall, the entire multiverse was collapsing. So, in order to be able to interact with the worlds around him, he molds avatars of himself that are somewhat weaker as a handicap. He actually explains later in the comic where Doomsday beat him that he was simply an avatar of the true Darkseid. The same thing goes for when he battles Superman and the Justice League. So, the real Darkseid has to stay in the Fourth World and create avatars of himself to do his work, because his true form's presence would destroy everything it touches. So basically, real Darkseid is too destructive, so he sends weaker versions of himself called avatars to do his work, and those are what the heroes fight.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-1607010
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/3/37889/1607002-fb977017jpgorig9uj.jpg
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 5 mo 13 d
Darkseid
Hope that helps? To fight the true darkseid you'd have to travel to fourth world like Superman did at the end of Final Crisis to confront him.
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 5 mo 10 d
Darkseid
1 year member
@Tyrannus true form darkseid lost to Superman and doomsday when they were boomtube amped, boomtubes are op as hell, they increase your size to being large enough to exist on apokolips (it's a realm waaay bigger than the multiverse and transcend it) and it gives you enough power to effect those people's, enough physical power, boomtubes are op as heck
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 5 mo 10 d
Darkseid
1 year member
@Incognito True form darkseid exists on apokolips, whenever you find true form darkseid he's on apokolips, the fight between him and Hunter prey doomsday happened on apokolips, the reason he was even noticable on apokolips was because of a boomtube amp
Tyrannus
Tyrannus 5 mo 10 d
Darkseid
1 year member
@Mr_Incognito So where does that appear on the multiverse?

Unless your saying he exists outside of that too!

@EmptyHand So your saying when you see Darkseid on Apokolips that's actually him. And when you see him outside that realm it's an avatar? If boomtubing makes you OP can that mean that if Superman or Doomsday boomtubed to Apokolips and fell on the multiverse they'd be dragging that down too? Is there any other way to get to Apokolips without a boomtube?
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 5 mo 10 d
Darkseid
1 year member
If you get boomtube amped you're automatically put in a realm that TRANSCENDS the multiverse, and yes they would definitely do the same thing
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 5 mo 10 d
Darkseid
1 year member
And yes that's how you differ avatars from true forms
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 5 mo 10 d
Darkseid
@Tyrannus Correct! In the New 52 multiverse The Fourth World is outside the conventional multiverse.

@EmptyHand I think you're a little confused. True Form Darkseid doesn't exist on apokolips. He exists in the realm of Fourth World as written by Jack Kirby.
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 5 mo 10 d
Darkseid
@Tyrannus here's a simple guide.
True Form Darkseid looks like this: https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111177306/5676200-2689965652-boss-.jpg
His avatars look like this: https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125833/3290626-dssss.png

Empty is a little confused. The Darkseid that doomsday fought was an avatar.
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 5 mo 10 d
Darkseid
1 year member
True form darkseid is the one on apokolips genius, and the writer of hunter prey HIMSELF SAID IT WASN'T AN AVATAR that H/P doomsday fought, true form darkseid was bigger than the multiverse on apokolips
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 5 mo 10 d
Darkseid
1 year member
True form darkseid looked like that once genius, don't say i am "confused"
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 5 mo 10 d
Darkseid
@Empty Well Darkseid himself states that he is an avatar after losing to doomsday in that comic. Did you not read final crisis? True Darkseid can't exist in the multiverse because he would destroy it. If he destroys the multiverse by his existence, it doesn't make any sense for him to exist in apokolips. Darkseid's True form can't exist in apokolips BECAUSE of his nature. When did the writer say that?
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 5 mo 10 d
Darkseid
Also @Empty, no need to get upset. I just respectfully disagree with you, no big deal
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 5 mo 9 d
Darkseid
1 year member
The writer of the story admitted that he was not an avatar


and apokolips is NOT in the multiverse, it is OUTSIDE it
Tyrannus
Tyrannus 5 mo 9 d
Darkseid
1 year member
@EmptyHand So when people refer to true form Darkseid it's the one on Apokolips (or New Genisis etc)? So who's this?


@Mr_Incognito So your saying Darkseid's avatar lives on the planet Apokolips outside of the multiverse but there's also the real Darkseid who lives outside of the multiverse and source wall on the map I showed? So how did Anti-Monitor kill him in Darkseid Wars?
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 5 mo 7 d
Darkseid
1 year member
@Tyrannus that's another way true form darkseid looked like at one point

He mainly looks like his avatars but waaay more powerful and way more badass, and Antimonitor killed an avatar, the fight didn't happen on apokolips
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Tyrannus
Tyrannus 5 mo 7 d
Darkseid
1 year member
@EmptyHand So if Darkseid's avatar dies, Darkseid's really dead? So how does that explain Mr_Incognito's scan where it shows Darkseid saying he isn't really here it's just his avatar who's weak enough to be defeated.
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 5 mo 7 d
Darkseid
3 year member
@Mr_Incognito The author might have said it was the true form of Darkseid, but by feats, it doesn't really match up. Something about DC doesn't match at all with their New Gods. I'm trying to find an answer to it though.
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 5 mo 7 d
Darkseid
1 year member
@Tyrannus why are you asking me that? I don't at all understand that, he wasn't "really dead" true form darkseid is an essential concept to the existence of evil, you can't kill him
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 5 mo 7 d
Darkseid
@Tyrannus They're overcomplicating it. No, if an avatar dies true Darkseid doesn't. Avatars are weaker on purpose. Doomsday beat an avatar.
Tyrannus
Tyrannus 5 mo 4 d
Darkseid
1 year member
@EmptyHand That was a genuiene question. I'm not sure how you got annoyed by that. He's died before so I was wondering if he really dies or if he's real self survive somewhere else.

@Mr_Incognito While that does make sense why would the writer say Doomsday beat the real Darkseid? Also are you saying Darkseid lives in a realm outside the map of DC shown before? It says on the DC multiverse map that only the Source, Monitor-Mind and Unknowable exist outside the Source Wall. How did Anti-Monitor kill him? I assume when Anti-Monitor goes round consuming universes Darkseid should be outside of his reach right?
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EmptyHand
EmptyHand 5 mo 3 d
Darkseid
1 year member
@Tyrannus I'm aware, darkseid can't die, his avatars can but if they die his true form is inneffected, Everytime darkseid dies he comes back cause he's an essential concept to the existence of DC
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 1 y 2 mo 24 d
Darkseid
1 year member
His speed should be 100 considering he has irrelevant speed therefore he is above the concept of speed itself
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LordTracer
LordTracer 1 y 2 mo 24 d
Darkseid
3 year member
Darkseid does not have irrelevant speed in any form.
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 1 y 2 mo 24 d
Darkseid
1 year member
He does he managed to keep up with flash
LordTracer
LordTracer 1 y 2 mo 24 d
Darkseid
3 year member
Flash doesn't have irrelevant speed either. He literally can't. Only beyond-dimensional beings can have irrelevant speed or irrelevant strength.
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 1 y 2 mo 24 d
Darkseid
1 year member
How can only beyond-dimensional beings have irrelevant speed?
LordTracer
LordTracer 1 y 2 mo 24 d
Darkseid
3 year member
That's literally how irrelevant speed works. You cannot transcend the concept of speed without being beyond all dimensional concepts.
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 1 y 2 mo 24 d
Darkseid
1 year member
Therefor Thought robot > all dimensional concepts because thought robot has irrelevant speed
LordTracer
LordTracer 1 y 2 mo 24 d
Darkseid
3 year member
That's not how it works. You don't go; "He's beyond-dimensional because he has irrelevant speed." Irrelevant speed comes from beyond-dimensional existence, not the other way around.