Cosmic King ThorvsWarlock

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Cosmic King Thor Thor Odinson
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Warlock Adam Warlock
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Savage
Savage 1 mo 24 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor @Alien_X Debate?
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Alien_X
Alien_X 1 mo 24 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor Cosmic King Thor has his own power combined with the Power Cosmic and the Odin Force. He killed a vastly amped Galactus and stole the Power Cosmic from him.
Other feats include breaking Stormbreaker, instantly killing a monster by throwing Mjolnir across the 10 realms and headshotting it (without using the Power Cosmic), blasting holes through Galactus, fighting two years straight against thousands of enemies without any food, water, or sleep as regular Thor, casually KO's Beta Ray Bill, holding back the Black Winter (a multiversal being that has destroyed multiple universes), and more. Warlock couldn't defeat Mephisto without his staff and the Soul Stone.
Cosmic King Thor holds the advantage in strength, durability, and overall power.
Savage
Savage 1 mo 24 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor Nice argument.
On the other hand, Adam Warlock has a much bigger title and overall universal position than CKT. Adam Warlock is The Champion of Life, and was created to be perfectly superior, and has managed to evolve past that. Unlike CKT, Adam Warlock is beyond fate itself, which even Galactus isn't, and Adam has high levels of fate manipulation power, even above beings like Mephisto. As the Champion of all Life in the universe, Warlock has extraordinary power, some of which is unexplored. With the soul stone Warlock has even more of an advantage, as not only does it give him an entire pocket dimension to draw power from, but also incredible soul manipulation powers. With both fate and soul manipulation powers, combined withhis raw power and his cosmic role as the champion of all life, Warlock is too much for even CKT. Adam Warlock also has high levels of cosmic knowledge and overall universal awareness, far above even the knowledge of Odin. Warlock is also extremely intelligent, far superior to CKT. CKT has basically 3 main sources of power. The first is the power of Thor ofc, and Warlock has been shown to be far more powerful than Thor on many occasions, like in Infinity Gauntlet and Infinity War. The second source of CKT's power is the power cosmic, and Adam is shown to be far above the power of the silver surfer, who almost definitely has more cosmic power than CKT (just in reference to the power cosmic, not to other powers ofc). And finally the power of the Odinforce, but as powerful as the odinforce is, Warlock is has fate and soul manipulation, and is the literal champion of all life in the universe. Also, CKT killing Galactus is BS! IT. SHOULD. NOT. HAVE. HAPPENED. That's not me getting mad at you, that's just me getting mad at the comic lol.
It's close, but Adam Warlock comes out on top this fight.
Alien_X
Alien_X 1 mo 24 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor A bigger title? He's the Champion of Life, but Thor is the All-Father of the Ten realms and Herald of Thunder. And in the end, titles and positions don't really decide the winner in a battle, it's really just something to shout during your dramatic character introduction before the fight.
While Adam Warlock certainly is powerful, and he does have incredible potential, the same could be said for Thor. But unlike Adam Warlock, this version of Thor has never been killed. Adam has been killed by Thanos, someone that Cosmic King Thor is far above. Adam has also been killed by Gamora, himself, the soul stone, and Thanos again, multiple times.
Doesn't Cosmic King Thor have nigh-omniscience? Or was that Rune King Thor? Or is it both?
I will address this next part in four sections:
1: I agree with this one, Adam Warlock is more powerful than base Thor.
2: Why would Silver Surfer have more power cosmic than Cosmic King Thor? He has almost all of it, as he absorbed all of Galactus's power.
3: The fate and soul manipulation came from the Soul Stone, which he currently doesn't have possession of. And Odin-Force Thor defeated Surtur, a Loki-empowered Destroyer, a Desak-empowered Destroyer, an Amped Perrikus, and more. He has killed Bor and shattered Mjolnir, and he has blown a hole through Captain America's shield. While depowered, he defeated both Thing and Hulk and destroyed a planet on accident.
4: Why shouldn't that have happened? Please explain your opinion.
Well, at least we agree this wouldn't be a stomp on either end.
Savage
Savage 1 mo 24 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor CKT has no heightened intellect for one. The soul manipulation comes from the soul stone, but not the fate manipulation. Adam Warlock is a being above fate itself. Also, Adam Warlock has no emotional conflict, since all good and evil has been expelled from his body, making him even more deadly. He has a vast amount of powers, with a lot more power variety than CKT. Him being Champion of Life is important because it shows that he is connected to the life force of everyone in the universe. Adam Warlock is powerful enough to become TLT's replacement (not that power level ofc, but still hugely powerful to even be considered for that). His dark side the Magus was able to amass power far greater than galactus in almost no time, and an army as well. Adan Warlock is so powerful that the entire universe was forced to react each time a less ethical version of him was let loose. In a short amount of time the Magus was able to send Eternity into a catatonic state, and anything the Magus can do Adam Warlock can do, and more. His powers have been described as "beyond the cosmic norm" by thanos. The key difference between Adam Warlock and Cosmic King Thor is that CKT is powerful, but all with normal, standard type powers (The power cosmic, the odinforce, ect.). Adam Warlock on the other hand is beyond fate, and beyond those normal powers, as thanos has stated. CKT is still under the influence of normal things, including fate. Adam Warlock is not. His power has been stated to be unmeasurable by the nova corpse themselves. While CKT is powerful, his powers are definitely calculable. Even though he doesn't always have the soul gem, he actually has a bond with it. Most of his powers come directly from the In-Betweener, and his purpose, again, is as the Avatar of Life. This means he represents all life in the universe on a cosmic level. CKT has nothing on that. Adam Warlock has so many powers it's hard to keep track, but he's also the only soul that Death can never truly claim. He's immortal completely. He has an insane healing factor and cellular regeneration that works at super speed. He has strength, durability, and speed enough to match CKT. He can't be affected by reality warping, as he's beyond that, same goes for time, because he's beyond time. He has unrivaled Mystic Senses as well as Cosmic Awareness and Powerful Telepathy. The telepathy could be key, as CKT has little to no defenses against that. He has high levels of cosmic power, and can consume energy. He has powerful energy manipulation powers, and is resistant to all energy manipulation. He can also create energy constructs at will to do his bidding. He can even time travel. Also, he can manipulate matter, not to the extent of beings like Molecule Man, but not as far off as one might think. Plus Adam Warlock can create Astral forms of himself, resurrect himself, and create portals. By the way, Warlock can control and create Thermal Energy, up to extreme temperatures. Some of his other powers include manipulating timelines, quantum magic, and spell casting. Warlock knows an insane amount of Magic. He can also drain people's souls, even without the soul gem.
Yeah, he's insane. Even CKT can't stop him. If that doesn't convince you, idk what will. A lot of those powers CKT can't do anything against, and Warlock has a perfect mind in case I didn't mention, and can see the future, so there's almost no way to beat him. Seriously, CKT is cool but Adam Warlock is ridicules. It's like the writers just listed every super power they could.
Alien_X
Alien_X 1 mo 23 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor While I agree that Adam Warlock is vastly powerful, and I love Adam Warlock too, and I do agree he has a chance of winning, I stand with my opinion. Cosmic King Thor still has the feat of pretty much three-shotting the fully fed vastly amped herald of the Black Winter version of Galactus, and you still haven't said why that shouldn't have happened.
Cosmic King Thor also has a high range of abilities, including (but not limited to) matter manipulation, healing, phasing, time travel, teleportation, cosmic awareness, energy absorption/redirection, and far more. And while Cosmic King Thor isn't any smarter than King Thor, his wisdom still rivals that of Odin.
As seen before with Odin and Thor, the Odinforce basically gives you whatever power you want, as seen when CKT casually switched to using Stormbreaker when Beta Ray Bill refused to return Mjolnir and when Odin literally erased Thor's mouth. Other examples include Odin stopping time, making people throughout the cosmos forget things, giving away powers, and much more.
The Power Cosmic is also incredibly powerful, gifting a vast source of limitless, godly cosmic energy. This allows the user to be essentially one with the universe. Some of the many powers this source gives include creating life, teleporting entire galaxies, size-alteration, the molecular reconstruction and transmutation of matter, the creation of force fields and interdimensional portals, resurrecting the dead, manipulating souls, remaking dead worlds, precognition, the ability to ascertain weaknesses in objects and opponents, and more. The power cosmic has also been shown to grant nigh-omniscience, so I'm not sure if that increases CKT's intellect or not.
The power of Thor, as well as the Odinforce and Power Cosmic, are incredible wells of power alone, but together, I don't think that even someone like Adam Warlock can win.
Savage
Savage 1 mo 23 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor Adam Warlock has the power cosmic as well, so all the stuff about that Warlock can do to.
Now let's talk about CKT vs. Galactus. CKT had the power cosmic because Galactus gave it to him, for one. Galactus should have been able to take back those powers, no matter how powerful King Thor is. Galactus has been shown to be able to do that instantly many times before, and the comic never gives us a reason to believe otherwise. King Thor has about the same level of power as Odin give or take, and Galactus beats Odin every time, and has been shown to do so. Therefore, Galactus should beat CKT.
Now, we've both stated powers that each person has, so let me ask you this time, what powers does CKT have that Adam Warlock doesn't have at all? Or in what categories of powers they share do CKT win? (like strength) Make a list of all the advantages CKT has, and I can make a list of all the advantages Adam Warlock has, and we can do a side-by-side comparison. This is a great fight in my opinion, because It's close, they're both powerful, and they have very different powers, which is a really hard fight to find.
Alien_X
Alien_X 1 mo 23 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor Whoa, when did Warlock get the Power Cosmic? (as if he didn't have enough powers already)
King Thor is shown to be quite a bit stronger than Odin. And Galactus tried to take back the power, but couldn't due to Thor draining Galactus first.
All right then.
Strength: https://www.cbr.com/thor-feats-of-strength/
https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-noteworthy-feats-that-Thor-has-done-in-the-comics#:~:text=Thor%20has%20done%20many%20things,%20even%20more%20than,collaspe%20and%20shifting%20the%20planet%20out%20of%20orbit.
Speed: Silver Surfer can travel 500,000 light years per second. Mjolnir can travel billions of times faster than light. Thor has been stated to move faster than lightning. Combine all that and then some to see how fast Cosmic King Thor can move (Power Cosmic + Thor + Mjolnir + Odin Force = very OP).
Durability: Tanking attacks from the Destroyer armor, Celestials, Surtur, Odin, Hulk, and more. He has also tanked the weight of several planets, sitting in the sun, the force of dozens of Supernovas, a neutron star bomb, the casket of ancient winters, and far more.
Power: Fending off the Black Winter, draining and killing Galactus (I know you hate this feat, but it still happened. You cannot deny the occurrence of this).
Savage
Savage 1 mo 23 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor Okay, I agree with all except Duribility, because it's impossible to kill Warlock. He has an insane healing power, he can regenerate, and death is unable to claim his soul. CKT is super durable but not totally unkillable like Warlock is.
So overall CKT has Strength and Speed. I think power is a little to broad, but I get what you mean. Warlock has Energy Manipulation, Matter Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, Immortality, Cellular Regeneration, Telepathy, Clairvoyance, Energy Constructs, Soul Draining, Portals, Time Travel, Quantum Magic, Chronokinesis, Illusions, and Pyrokinesis over CKT, as he has none of those powers to my knowledge. So all those vs. Strength and Speed. Durability I think should go to Warlock as well. This makes it seem like Adam Warlock has a huge advantage, so am I missing anything? CKT has nothing on all of those powers, especially Fate and Soul Manipulation, as well as Telepathy. What else can CKT do, or does he win by strength and speed alone?
Alien_X
Alien_X 1 mo 22 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor True. Warlock's immortality is almost unmatched in Marvel.
Out of the powers you mentioned, CKT also has energy manipulation, matter manipulation, soul manipulation, fate manipulation, immortality, telepathy, clairvoyance, portals, and time travel (perhaps not on the same level as Adam Warlock, but he's got it). He also has telepathy resistance, fire resistance, and soul resistance to counter the telepathy, pyrokinesis and soul manipulation.
Even if Adam Warlock has an advantage, it won't be by a lot.
Savage
Savage 1 mo 22 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor When has CKT been shown to have Soul or Fate manipulation? Or Telepathy?
Alien_X
Alien_X 1 mo 21 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor 1: They come with the Power Cosmic and/or Odin Force.
2: They're included in his SHDB profile. Talk to the guys that edited the profile if you disagree.
Savage
Savage 1 mo 21 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor When are they shown to come with the power cosmic or the odin force? When does any character actually use that power, or say that they have it?
Savage
Savage 1 mo 21 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor Also, I checked and the SHDB profile doesn't show him having either Soul or Fate manipulation to any extent
Alien_X
Alien_X 1 mo 18 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor Oh, sorry, I thought you were talking about something else. He does have soul resistance though.
Savage
Savage 1 mo 18 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor that's true, but Adam Warlock is one of the most powerful soul manipulators out there, even without the soul stone.
Alien_X
Alien_X 1 mo 17 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor Yes.
So basically, they both have a large range of power sets and they both have advantages. Overall this would be a pretty hard fight, so we just go with who we think has a slight edge.
Agree?
Savage
Savage 1 mo 17 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor Yes
Alien_X
Alien_X 1 mo 16 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor So... is this debate over?
Savage
Savage 1 mo 16 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor I guess, I mean, I'll happily keep debating if you want to, I do have more things I can say on the topic. I still think Adam Warlock's soul manipulation is powerful enough to be effective on CKT, as is the fate manipulation. It's also not shown the CKT has any telepathy, and Adam Warlock is a skilled telepath. Plus Warlock knows a lot of spells CKT doesn't know, and aside from raw strength, CKT doesn't have much power that Warlock doesn't, whereas Warlock has numerous powers CKT doesn't have.
Alien_X
Alien_X 1 mo 15 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor While that may be true, more powers doesn't mean more chance of winnings.
Take Hulk for example. His main powers are strength, speed, and regeneration. Yet he can take on people with a far wider range of powers, like Thor, Sentry, Ghost Rider, Silver Surfer, Thanos, etc.
Savage
Savage 1 mo 15 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor Still, Thor has to win based on pure strength, and Warlock is almost impossible to kill. Thor can't stop the fate manipulation, or the reality warping.
Alien_X
Alien_X 1 mo 14 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor Thor has a wide range of powers himself (Odin Force + Power Cosmic + Himself, as said before). Thor might be able to "kill" Warlock before he uses reality warping or fate manipulation (similar to his Galactus feat).
CKT has been shown to be able to hold off multiversal cosmic beings such as the Black Winter, who outclass Warlock. He should be able to win this.
Savage
Savage 1 mo 14 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor Adam Warlock has dealt with all sorts of beings that outclass Black Winter, and has found ways to stop the likes of Eternity himself. What specific power does Thor have that Adam Warlock lacks? The Odinforce and those other things are sources of power, not direct powers.
Alien_X
Alien_X 1 mo 13 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor The Odin Force and Power Cosmic are nearly endless sources of power that gift incredible powers. With those two, Thor is basically Odin and Silver Surfer combined.
Even if Adam Warlock found ways to stop Eternity, the Black Winter is a being that can destroy multiple universes.
Savage
Savage 1 mo 13 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor Adam Warlock has never met Odin as far as ik, but he has been shown to be clearly much more powerful than Surfer. Also, the odinforce isn't endless, and there are specific powers that come with it. Overall though, Warlock has more powers than odin. Odin's biggest power is arguably matter manipulation, and Adam has similar matter manipulation feats. Warlock's fate and soul manipulation would be difficult for CKT to stop though
Alien_X
Alien_X 1 mo 12 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor I never said they were endless, I said nearly endless. Big difference.
Odin's powers, similar to those of Warlock, span over a large range of abilities, including all kinds of magic, energy projection, power manipulation, energy manipulation, time manipulation, clairvoyance, spatial warping, creation, resurrection, soul manipulation, and more, as well as the classic godly strength and invulnerability.
Savage
Savage 1 mo 12 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor I agree with all but Soul Manipulation, when had Odin ever been shown to have soul manipulation? Or said to have it? Either way, Adam Warlock has pretty much all of those abilities as well, and more powerful soul manipulation (with the stone). And still, all of those powers Warlock can either do himself or is at least resistant too, whereas CKT couldn't do anything against the fate manipulation, and that's where Warlock can win. Same with Soul Manipulation (because I'm pretty sure Odin doesn't have that), and Reality Warping. CKT is stronger and has stronger energy projection than Adam Warlock, but that's not enough to stop him, since he's beaten people with that level of strength and energy projection before. Warlock can attack CKT with powers he has no defense against, which is key to winning this battle.
Alien_X
Alien_X 1 mo 10 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor In Odin's profile in SHDB https://www.superherodb.com/odin/10-10388/, he has soul manipulation.
Thor also has soul manipulation resistance: https://outlier-battles.fandom.com/wiki/Thor_(Marvel_Comics)
Also, he doesn't have the soul stone in this battle.
Savage
Savage 1 mo 10 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor Huh, so he does. Interesting.
Why wouldn't Adam Warlock have the soul stone?
Alien_X
Alien_X 1 mo 10 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor Adam Warlock wouldn't have the soul stone because his current version doesn't have it. While he has a strong connection to it, he doesn't have it in this profile. Or at least, that's my understanding.
Savage
Savage 1 mo 10 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor Well, his picture has it in it, for one. But also, Warlock has the soul stone most of the time, like Thor and his hammer. It's more rare to see a version of Adam Warlock without the stone (again like thor and mjolnir). Even when Thor was unworthy, Unworthy Thor was a separate profile, as is Immortal Hulk. When people talk about Hulk in fights they talk about normal Hulk, not the immortal one. The same logic can be used with Adam Warlock, since most of the time he has the stone.
Alien_X
Alien_X 1 mo 8 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor That might be true, but look at the description in the "Equipment" tab of his profile. "Warlock formerly possessed the Soul Gem". FORMERLY, which means he no longer possesses it. But I agree that there's a chance he does have the stone. But there are several pictures of Adam Warlock without the stone:



Savage
Savage 1 mo 8 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor Well, it does say formally, but it's kinda weird that he doesn't have it, that should be a character edit. I actually think this fight is close enough that if Adam Warlock doesn't have the soul gem, he doesn't win. Since it says this warlock doesn't have the soul gem, I'll change my vote, although Adam Warlock should be edited so that he has it. I still think him with the soul gem wins, but him without it doesn't.
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Alien_X
Alien_X 1 mo 7 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor Okay then, good enough for me. GG bro.
Savage
Savage 1 mo 7 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor GG
Savage
Savage 1 mo 27 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor @AkhilPDX Debate?
Savage
Savage 1 mo 27 d
Cosmic King Thor vs Warlock
Cosmic King Thor This is a great example of a battle where the stats really don't match up

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