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Xml 3 mo 17 d
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Thor Thor mjolnir Kills Beerus
Chijb
Chijb 6 mo 13 d
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Beerus Beerus is apocalyptic level...
Meerrahmat
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Thor This not fair battle thor easily beat beerus only multiversal being but thor already beat Boundless and outerversal character
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Ubermaster68 5 mo 29 d
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Beerus This is base thor this is a one-shot in beerus's favor
Meerrahmat
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Thor Lol 😂😂😂😂 Thor beat exitara Thor beat ivory king and you say beerus can beat lol 🤣🤣🤣
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Beerus This is not fair, a being 6D-7D (High complex multiversal) against a 3D being (multi-galactic)
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phamhungbao
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Beerus Marvel 616 Thor don’t have actual chance beat Beerus and Thor lost to Wonder Woman in Screw Attack Death Battle.
DeanDinosaur6
DeanDinosaur6 8 mo 23 d
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Beerus @phamhungbao are you using Death Battle to decide who wins?
phamhungbao
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Beerus @DeanDinosaur6 Death Battle Screw Attack is bias as hell,Thor should have beat Wonder Woman mid difficulty
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MoNsTeR
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Beerus



I forgot thor fought phoenix force who is low outerversal
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Atemporal
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Thor "This is not fair, a being 6D-7D (High complex multiversal) against a 3D being (multi-galactic)"

@Pedrof Autism is real.
Pedrof
Pedrof 8 mo 23 d
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Beerus Beerus in the manga is more powerful than Xeno Goku who scales above 6D.
Atemporal
Atemporal 8 mo 23 d
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Thor Upload evidence, FodderStar Wars fanboy.
Pedrof
Pedrof 8 mo 23 d
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Beerus Defeating the creator of the Omniverse.
Atemporal
Atemporal 8 mo 23 d
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Thor There is not even an infinite multiverse in DHS, I repeat upload proof of what you say. your words are worth nothing without scans.
Pedrof
Pedrof 8 mo 23 d
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Beerus Again, this is not DBS, this is Xenoverse. There is no scan of that, play the game.
Atemporal
Atemporal 8 mo 23 d
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Thor Upload scans of DBH being an infinite multiverse even, much less 5D OR 6D that you have no idea what it is.
Pedrof
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Beerus Check this video
MoNsTeR
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Beerus Normal asgardians are 5D lol
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phamhungbao
phamhungbao 10 mo 25 d
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Beerus Did you ever watch Beerus ever use or going full power in Dragon Ball series ?
Taurus
Taurus 10 mo 28 d
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Thor @Uzumaki Does Beerus solo 616 barring Thor?
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Uzumaki_Naruto
Uzumaki_Naruto 10 mo 27 d
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Thor Lol I’d be surprised if he even gets past odin
Taurus
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Thor But he'd beat people like Hulk and Namor easily though.

Also, are you implying that Thor is above Odin?
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Uzumaki_Naruto
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Thor Yes I agree he’d beat hulk and Namor pretty easily I’m pretty sure he’d one-shot them and if we’re using Current Thor then I’d say he’s at least Equal to Odin and if we’re using the Cosmic King Thor then yes Thor>>>Odin
Taurus
Taurus 10 mo 27 d
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Thor Thor>>>Anime>>>Everything else?
Uzumaki_Naruto
Uzumaki_Naruto 10 mo 27 d
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Thor No there are many characters in anime who can beat Thor but Beerus isn’t one of them
Taurus
Taurus 10 mo 27 d
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Thor So anime>>>Thor>>>anime>>>everything else
Uzumaki_Naruto
Uzumaki_Naruto 11 mo 1 d
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Thor Tell me what feats does beerus have that even comes close to this?



^holding 1/4 of the multiverse



^nearly killing Zelia who scales above odin



^breifly stunning Exitar The exterminator



^Thor’s godblast can tear apart the fabric of universe



^Thor’s godblast shakes the universe

And just for people’s info that Marvel universe are bigger than the whole fucking Db cosmology together loool



^each marvel universe has one yggdrasil which has infinite universes on it’s own



^each marvel universe are infinite in size as said by eternity universal eternity would ensure a boundless universe



^there are countless hell realm in marvel



^there are infinite planes of existence in a marvel universe

In Short one Marvel universe =a multiverse and Thor has shown feats on Multiversal level which means he’s Multi-multiversal

Hence Thor godstomps Beerus
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Mr_Incognito
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Beerus I'll tell you. You are putting Thor, who is at best consistently a galaxy buster, against Beerus, a casual Universal+ threat. Fighting seriously, he's multiversal+.
Beerus destroys planets by Tapping his finger and by sneezing. When he Fought his brother Champa they were casually destroying Universe 7 just by messing around. It has been stated that the Dragon Ball Multiverse is infinitely expanding. Beerus and Goku (who just went SSG for the first time) created shockwaves that were destroying an infinite amount of space, and this was from a single punch. He also is so powerful that he took on five other gods of destruction at the same time by himself. He can handle galaxy level threats like Thor with ease, for example when he casually held back the galaxy busting Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta with a single finger. Oh, and he survived multiple planetary explosions to the face and barely noticed. Oh, and he has the hakai, which negates durability and instantly erases the target from existence, so there's that.

So basically, Beerus is a casual universe buster. You took some outliers and high-end Thor feats and made it seem like Thor is a consistent multiversal+ threat, which is ridiculous. Thor is certainly powerful, and I would argue that consistently he is solar system to galaxy level threat. But here's the thing, Beerus is a threat to the universe without even trying. His full potential has never even been shown. Beerus obliterates entire universes without even breaking a sweat, because it's literally his job.
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Pedrof
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Beerus I agree but Beerus is multiversal+ level.
Uzumaki_Naruto
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Thor @Mr_incognito those aren’t outliers though Thor has multiple feats like this if you want I can show even more feats he does have some anti-feats but that’s mostly due to Jason Aaron that guy hates thor and Odin fucking bastard. And Those feats of Beerus that you showed are nothing special tbh there are plenty of Planet busting and Universe threatening feats of Thor as well even more than Beerus not to mention that Marvel’s cosmology totally dwarfs the db verse and as for Db being infinitely expanding we don’t know how long it’ll take to expand to infinite universes level since there were only 18 macrocosm before Zeno blew 6 of them and we already know that Berrus is millions of years old so Db verse must’ve existed for like billions or trillions of years old and in that Period only 18 macrocosm were formed it’ll take like forever for Db to get on one Marvel’s universe size
Mr_Incognito
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Beerus No need to cuss here. Thor is not on Beerus's level, end of story. Also Marvel cosmology is not infinitely expanding like DB. The size of the universes don't matter as much as the destructive capabilities. Beerus held back a version of Vegeta that would clean Thor's clock with a single finger.
Pedrof
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Beerus Beerus manages to defeat Goku UI complete with one hand and Goku UI complete already destroys universe 616 and everyone inside it.
Uzumaki_Naruto
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Thor @Mr_incognito Marvel universe isn’t infinite expanding it’s already infinite lol Db universe is pathetically small compared to Marvel’s 😂
Uzumaki_Naruto
Uzumaki_Naruto 10 mo 29 d
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Thor @pedrofomaior if you seriously think Goku can beat all of 616 dude you seriously need some help

Pedrof
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Beerus I was doing what the Marvel fanboys do, but I know that Goku doesn't defeat everyone in the universe 616
Mr_Incognito
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Beerus @Uzamaki_Naruto You are very delusional. Thor isn’t beating the most powerful god of destruction by himself. Beerus vs the Avengers is a better fighter. One hakai and Thor is a goner. Same with most heralds, like Superman, Wonder Woman, Hulk, and many more. All are no match for Beerus.
Uzumaki_Naruto
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Thor @mr_incognito feel free to to think whatever you like mate but you won’t be able to show me a feat of Beerus that can outclass Thor’s best feats because of one simple reason the Marvel universes are really vast. The marvel universes are actually multiverses as I’ve already proved before that’s why even Universal feats of Thor far outclasses any feat that has been shown in dbs. Cause Db cosmology is too small

And as for Beerus being stronger than Hulk superman and wonderwoman that’s something I can agree to but definitely not Thor. Thor’s a god a mothafuckin God
Mr_Incognito
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Beerus I already proved how Beerus is superior. Stop sucking Thor off in every single battle. Beerus is also a “mothafuckin” God, a god of destruction. Superman and Hulk have also beaten Thor, and Beerus is more powerful than them so you just admitted Thor loses.
Uzumaki_Naruto
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Thor @mr_incognito goes to show how good your knowledge is on comics no crossovers are cannon Superman only beat Thor cause Odin granted him the ability to life mjolnir as for Hulk even Thor has beaten him as well. And you proved nothing more than beerus is a fodder. You’re showing me planet busting when here I am talking about multiversal feats lol truth is you can’t show me a feat of Beerus being above Thor’s feats heck I challenge you to show me a feat from Dbs which is even considered multiversal level bring on that pissant Zeno even he is just multi-universal
Mr_Incognito
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Beerus That was a paragraph of slop. You’re the same guy who says that Thor’s breath alone kills Superman. The fact people are liking your comments is just sad.
Uzumaki_Naruto
Uzumaki_Naruto 10 mo 27 d
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Thor @Mr_incognito

Mr_Incognito
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Beerus You’re funny kid. I know your probably like 15.
AkhilPDX
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Thor Beerus is not more powerful than Hulk or Superman.
Pedrof
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Beerus Goku SSG is more powerful than Thor and hulk together.
SirSpidey
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Thor @Mr_Incognito: "You’re the same guy who says that Thor’s breath alone kills Superman." Actually, in 'Journey Into Mystery Volume 1 #86, Page #9, Panels #5-7', Thor displays the ability to pierce dimensional barriers with his breath. So, though technically he won't kill Superman, he could, in theory, send Superman into a completely different dimension simply by breathing on him.
Mr_Incognito
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Beerus Well, if you want to take what he said literally, then sure. I commented because he was being metaphorical, basically saying Superman isn’t even a contest for Thor, which I think most people on this site disagree with.
SirSpidey
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Thor I mean, he's not wrong, as you can clearly see.
Yatharth
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Thor Beerus gets a fucking godblast to the face and dies
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Mr_Incognito
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Beerus Nah, Thor gets a hakai and wiped from existence.
AkhilPDX
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Thor You have got to be kidding me. By Dragon Ball's own method of how hax works, that won't even work.
Mr_Incognito
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Beerus That’s a lie. Hakai would work.
AkhilPDX
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Thor Which you haven't proven.
Mr_Incognito
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Beerus It erases you from existence. Thor does not have a resistance to that.
AkhilPDX
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Thor Thor can resist by being more powerful plus the fact he's already resisted stuff like that.
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Beerus Why is this even a debate? Why are they on similar tiers? Beerus is the second most powerful God of Destruction, and the most powerful person in U7. Thor has to team up with people to kill Ultron. And Beerus has mastered hakai. Nothing except being at Omnipotent speeds beats hakais.
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Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 11 mo 8 d
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Beerus The Thor fans can be quite rowdy. One man in particular.
MrJaeger07
MrJaeger07 11 mo 8 d
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Thor A.k.a MrJaeger07.
ThorMathews
ThorMathews 10 mo 29 d
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Thor @Mr_Incognito who is this one man?😂
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 10 mo 29 d
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Beerus I'll leave that up to interpretation.
Pedrof
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Beerus Thor has no chance, beerus is multiversal.
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MrJaeger07
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Thor Imagine thinking that destroying universes already makes you ''multiversal'' lmao
Pedrof
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Beerus Go see Dragon Ball Super.
Beerus with a shock wave was destroying a universe.
Beerus jokingly defeated Goku in the form of Super saiyan God, who manages to destroy a universe.
MrJaeger07
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Thor Go read an Marvel comic.
''universe'' doesn't seem that impressive when it's about Marvel or DC characters and that argument doesn't prove Beerus is a ''multiversal'' being lol.
Atemporal
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Thor Multiplying a universal power even by a million is still universal only more powerful.
Pedrof
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Beerus Beerus is more powerful than Goku (Manga) who is multiversal level.
Pedrof
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Beerus Then go read star wars comics too, there a universe is nothing, even Darth Sidious is Multiversal.
MrJaeger07
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Thor Oh, believe me I've read more Star Wars than you've surely read about Marvel or DC.
Prion
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Beerus @MrJaeger07 Lmao, I like how you're replying to everyone implying that Thor wins and yet you have no evidence to back up your claims. Destroying universes is nothing to Beerus, since he can be scaled to Multiversal+.
Atemporal
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Thor Multiversal + LMAOOOOOOOOOOO
is Universal
Prion
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Beerus @Atemporal Hum... No. Beerus > UI Goku, whos multiversal+. This is factual, and basic to everyone who watched/read DBS.
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Thor
MrJaeger07
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Thor Multiversal+ Beerus lmfao
Prion
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Beerus Yeah, any opposition?
MrJaeger07
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Thor Why do you say it like you're the big deal? lmao obviously there is opposition
Prion
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Beerus Nah, I just do not like people saying things they clearly don't understand randomly. Also, if you have something against my statement, explain why.
Atemporal
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Thor It is universal and nothing more.






Galactus blinks the entire verse.
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Beerus Sorry for disappointment but Galactus is nothing more than Galaxy level
Atemporal
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Thor Nice minimization, Galactus blinks DBS and Star Wars Combinated,
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Beerus For the galactus an Emperor Valkorian is enough since he is above all eternity.
Atemporal
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Thor Nice Troling.
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Beerus @Atemporal You said earlier that Galactus is omniversal, so either you’re a troll or very stupid. Omniversal is not possible according to Marvel.
MrJaeger07
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Thor ''Galactus is nothing more than Galaxy level'' LMAOO then they claim we don't know anything about Dragon Ball or Star Wars XD
Atemporal
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Thor I was making fun of your stupidity, obviously Galactus is not omniversal god ..
MrJaeger07
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Thor @Prion ok first, prove DB's cosmology are superior to Marvel's, also prove me that all those randomly planets and universe destructions aren't satirical or they aren't made to be a parody, if you do maybe we'll talk accordingly.
Atemporal
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Thor These people think that because someone is superior to several universal characters, he makes them multiversal.
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Beerus @Atemporal I don't think so that I'm trolling.

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Beerus @MrJaeger07 I'll start with the "prove me that all those randomly planets and universe destructions aren't satirical or they aren't made to be a parody."
I just have one thing to ask you... DID YOU WATCH DBS?

The first arc is Goku v. Beerus, where their shockwaves were going to destroy the universe... And not only that, the Universe 7 consists two universe sized realms AT LEAST. I'll lowball it and consider only two. The Mortal Universe, and the After Life.

So, 2:2 = 1, Beerus = Universal - proved.

If you're going to try to claim they're not universal because they diDn'T dEsTRoY tHE uNiVERSe, both Beerus and Goku were nullifying the energy in the clash to prevent the universe's destruction.

Now, this is nothing compared to what Beerus can do. He was playing with SSG Goku. He's still stronger than UI Goku, who is Multiversal+. I can prove that easily as well.

Now, I don't know what do you mean by "prove DB's cosmology are superior to Marvel's"? I never even mentioned that. I just stated that Beerus is literally superior than Thor in every way. You have to prove that BASE Thor is above Multiversal+, wich you can't. Not even Universal.

I do respect you for having an AOT pic tho.
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Thor Universe level feat, fodder verse.
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Beerus @Atemporal Bro? I don't know if youre trolling or not but like, I said "Now, this is nothing compared to what Beerus can do..." Can you read bruv?
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Thor DBS fans: Shaking a universe and surpassing universal beings makes you multiversal +
haha

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Beerus When you can destroy a set of several universes you are multiversal.
Prion
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Beerus Yeah, you proved it. You can't read. I never said that destroying a universe puts you at Multiversal+. Being stronger than UI Goku does. There's no use bringing other characters just to save you, like you always do.
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Thor That would be multi-universal, no? Or are those the same thing..?
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Thor That would be low multiversal and the only one who has been shown to destroy multiple universes in DBS is Zeno, surpassing even 20 universal beings is not enough
Atemporal
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Thor Multiplying a universal power even to a million times is insufficient for multiversal.
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Beerus You certainly don't know the real power of angels.
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Beerus @Atemporal You're wrong.
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Thor @Prion Ok let's start one more time.

1. As I have said several times, being about to destroy a Universe is not impressive at all when you are an avid Marvel reader, Thor has many better VS feats, he himself has been able to beat Mangog who did trash Odin and the entire Asgard's army effortlessly (Odin would oneshot Bills)



Here he destroys Mangog, the funny thing is that in comics, Thor consistently struggles with Mangog despite being a Skyfather tier, I guess that's one of the things that makes Thor special, right? He usually faces beings that in theory are more powerful than him and he still manages to get out of it.


Fun fact: Thor after having finished with Mangog, put Thanos down as well with some equipment, many says Thor was in warrior madness there but the truth is they tend to confuse a pissed not holding back Thor with his true berserk mode, which comes out at specific moments and very few times. Aside from all this, Thor has infinities of other ridiculous feats that I could bring but I don't think it's necessary for now.

2) I would like to see you try to prove that Bills is even low Multiversal, it should be noted that destroying universes with ''ease'' doesn't necessarily make you Multiversal, to reach such a level, you've to have approximately the amount of power to destroy each universe from that Multiverse at same time oneshotting, How many universes does Dragon Ball have? Weren't they around 17? that's nothing, Marvel has HUNDREDS of universes, Marvel's Multiversal being is infinitely more powerful than DB's for that reason and that's why I made the previous question regarding cosmology, generally the worlds/time/space/universes etc... in Marvel encompasses much more than in DB, plus what's so impressive that Bills has made for you to scale him to "Multiversal+"?

3) Yes, I saw DBS chapter by chapter and I must confess that before I was a bit like a fanboy, to this day I actually know what the limitations of its characters are.

Thanks for praising my photo, it's nice to know that I'm not the only AOT fan here :)
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Beerus @MrJaeger07 1- Tbh, at the current power the DBS characters are now, Universal not impressive at all as well.

2- Odin is not even getting past Goku Black, let alone Beerus. So, that scan does not proves nothing, Odin's best feat is saving the nine universes on Yggdrasil, and I can scale Goku Black way above that.

3- Thor defeating Mangog, that matters why? Mangog gets one-shotted by Beerus. I asked you to prove that Base Thor is above Multiversal+, so that you could prove that he actually beats Beerus. None of that proves it.

4- Scaling Beerus to Low Multiversal is literally so easy. Are u kidding me? Beerus is superior than Goku, or even Jiren, who both have lots of Low Multiversal feats.

5- Marvel having more universes literally doesn't matter in this context, so why did you bring it here? That does not disprove the fact that they are multiversal, or high multiversal.

6- And you seem to not read my comment properly. I never said that destroying a universe puts you at Multiversal+. Being stronger than UI Goku does.

7- "what's so impressive that Bills has made for you to scale him to "Multiversal+" Bruh, did you read my comment? "He's still stronger than UI Goku, who is Multiversal+..." You want me to prove that UI Goku is Multiversal+ as well?

8- Idk about that, if you have actually read DBS you would know that Beerus and SSG Goku are both Universal, and not ask to prove that "that all those randomly planets and universe destructions aren't satirical or they aren't made to be a parody." But okay, I'll assume you read it.
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Beerus One more thing, im going off rn. I'm going to answer your comment tomorrow, or whenever i have time to. so please don't forget.
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Atemporal
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Thor lol, Odin blinks the verse.
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Beerus Prove it!
Atemporal
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Thor DBS Fanboys: Bills and Goku shook the whole universe
Marvel: Odin tore through the fabric of the Multiverse and with half his power destroyed an avatar of an entity with infinite power.
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Beerus Star Wars: The Father transcend infinite concepts. He can do everything he desires
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Beerus Atemporal: can't prove anything.
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Thor Nobody in Star Wars is Multiversal lol
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Beerus And again a marvel Fanboy is talking about things that doesn't know. Prove it to me.
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Thor The one who should prove to me that Star Wars is multiversal is you, obviously without taking scans out of context. (you can not)
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Beerus Let me guess... There is not proofs.
I can give you an exemple:

Darth Sidious = Multiversal.
Darth Sidious = 0, (0) of The Son's power.
The Son = 50 % of the power of The Father
So... The Father Of Mortis in Legends is outer and he can destroy infinite omniverses.
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Thor Trolling god level
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Thor @Prion 1) Really? You're one of the typical people who affirms a lot that proves little.

2) ''Odin isn't even getting past Goku Black, let alone Beerus. So, that scan doesn't proves nothing, Odin's best feat is saving the nine universes on Yggdrasil'' XD that's the biggest fallacy I've ever heard, Odin himself has been able to stalemate a well-fed Galactus (another guy who would oneshot the entire DBS), has been able to go through the veil of the Multiverse and its fabrication, etc... Besides that it's quite stated Odin is a Multiversal+ being... How could you scale any Goku to that? I'm dying to see it.

3) ''Mangog gets one-shotted by Beerus'' that's the second biggest fallacy I've heard lol, how that ''that matters why''? Mangog is a guy who as Odin, is pretty stated to be a Skyfather tier, do you even know what a Skyfather is? it doesn't seem, as it appears in the scans I sent you, Mangog literally trashed all asgard's army and Odin HIMSELF, Thor on the other hand was able to basically destroy him as I already showed you as well, good luck ignoring that.

4) ''Scaling Beerus to Low Multiversal is literally so easy. Are u kidding me? Beerus is superior than Goku, or even Jiren, who both have lots of Low Multiversal feats. ' Once again, what are those feats that you say so much are ''Multiversal''? would UI goku even be able to destroy all the universes existent in the serie? (they're just 17) lol, not even Zenosama is capable of destroying all the universes at the same time, which makes it hardly a Multiversal being, and Bills sh*ts himself every time he sees them, is that someone "Multiversal+"? pathetic.

5) ''Marvel having more universes literally doesn't matter in this context'' LMFAO how come that doesn't matter?? Literal is the most key point to know the true potential of each verse and as I said, Dragon Ball has only about 17 universes, which is absolutely NOTHING if you compare it with the hundreds of universes that exist in Marvel's cosmology (at Multiversal scale), will you also ignore that just because? How come that has no context? Obviously it means that a Multiversal being from Marvel is way above one from DB, it's a matter of basic analysis and knowledge about cosmologies to understand it, so Bills or Goku being ''Multiversals'' from that fodder-verse isn't actually a big deal (in case they are which I hardly doubt), any Marvel's universal entity like Thanos would be enough to beat Beerus and Goku together.

6) You hadn't said anything else and ONE MORE TIME, what is so impressive that Goku has done (apart from destroying universes) that they scale it to "Multiversal+" and therefore Beerus also scales to that? if you can provide me scans backing your claims pls.

7) ''Bruh, did you read my comment? "It's still stronger than UI Goku, which is Multiversal+..." Do you want me to prove that UI Goku is Multiversal+ too?'' It's the only thing I've tried to ask you to do :|...

8) That's right, and by the way, I never said that they weren't universal (in their verse) what I asked for was proof that they're now supposedly ''Multiversals+'' since being a big fan of DB, I never saw anything close to that not even in its cosmology so incomplex
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Beerus I have already gave the proofs to you and now you're saying that I'm trolling, Ok good idea to defend your self.

I can also prove that Bedlam Spirits are nigh-omnipotent:

https://www.google.com/search?q=bedlam+spirits&sxsrf=ALeKk0080lN-2a-d8WHSXGRc4HG5SRmC4w:1606956682457&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjtoeiRzLDtAhWTCWMBHSL4CcgQ_AUoAXoECBIQAw&biw=1920&bih=937#imgrc=4u_sdrGIFYarlM





Btw here say that they are omnipotent but of course they're not because the omnipotent being in star wars is The Chosen One.
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Thor ''One more thing, im going off rn. I'm going to answer your comment tomorrow, or whenever i have time to. so please don't forget.'' @Prion No prob.
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Thor You can easily scale Thor to multiversal if you really wanted to. A universe in Marvel is literally infinite and contains countless realms, dimensions, and smaller universes within it, all with their own space-time continuums. Even if Thor impacted a small fraction of it, you can easily scale it beyond anything characters in Dragon Ball have shown and that's excluding all of his skyfather level feats which are pretty consistent. At the end of the day, setting those aside, Beerus still doesn't have a counter to the God-Blast which would incinerate him.
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Beerus That would be an extreme high ball. And no, that isn't the case. Someone said it was maybe infinite, maybe does not mean it is. Beerus has the hakai which would wipe Thor from existence. You're being a little ridiculous here.
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Beerus 1- Wdym? I proved that SSG Goku was universal. And since he absorbed SSG, we can say that Base Goku is universal. And I'm not even including the Super Saiyan forms, who multiply his power.

2- How is that a fallacy? "...able to stalemate with a well-fed Galactus" Dude Well-Fed Galactus stomps Odin, he never beat/stalemate with Well-Fed Galactus. the Galactus youre refering to is the normal galactus, and even with normal galactus, who is not even close to multiversal as well, he still struggles. and NO. Not even close to one-shotting the verse.
Dude what are you saying? Lmaoo his battle tore the fabrics of the multiverse apart as a "side-effect". That doesn't prove or mean he's multiversal in terms of actual power or ability. It's two different things, bud. Odin is nowhere near Multiversal+. And BASE thor being multiversal+ is just absurd. Base Thor is not even consistently universal. There's no proof that he's that level. So my first comment should have already ended this.
Ok, Since his best feat is saving the nine universes on Yggdrasil...
Black was shown to be superior to SSB Goku, who was 10x stronger than SSB Goku from the Universe 6 Saga. Who was stronger than the SSB Goku from the Resurrection of F, who was way stronger than base Goku from RoF, who is at least equal to SSG Goku from Battle of Gods, who was going to destroy two universe sized realms AT LEAST. Even with this basic scaling, Black is above Odin.

3- The one who is making fallacies is you. Mangog being a skyfather tier is supposed to prove what, exactly? Beerus is way above that tier. Trashing the asgardians and Odin doesn't make him above Beerus, since neither base Thor nor Mangog are even close to Beerus power (not even Goku or some fighters, lol). One Hakai and thor goes to nothingness. Thor has no resistance against existence erasure.
Also, if youre trying to imply that Base thor is stonger than Odin, i have some really bad news for you... Odin literally destroys Base Thor.

4- Alright, you're appealing to ignorance now. "what are those feats that you say so much are ''Multiversal''?" Are... you kidding me? Hum... How Goku shook the World Of Void which is Infinite in Size? He shook it by merely transforming into UI. Thiscould be scaled to an Infinite 4D feat. You can also get them even higher off if Jiren and UI Goku who transcend time and time meaningless to him. Jiren himself is beyond time. Same for UI Goku. Transcending time means your speed is immeasurable... Jiren was stronger than a Goku that was 500x stronger than he was in the Universe 6 Arc. You can literally scale this to Multiversal. Beerus is way above this.



Goku being multiversal+ in Ultra Instinct yeah, he could destroy it, but for what? Also, there are 12 universes, because Zeno erased 6. But for some reason you're forgetting that each universe is composed by 2-3 universed sized realms universes. So technically there's 24 - 36. And I'm lowballing it.

5- You're acting like it's the number of the universes a verse has that is going to affect on who wins in a fight, Thor and Odin are not even multiversal... no.
"Multiversal being from marvel is way above one from DB" Now that's other fallacy. A multiversal being is a multiversal being, you can't highball the characters and say they're more powerful because their verse has more universes. That's not how it works.
Lmao you brought Thanos, Beerus one shots.

6/7- As you know (well, at I least I hope so.), UI Omen and UI are limit breaking forms. Goku was still finite 4D when he unlocked them. Considering he broke through his limits, that would have to make him infinite 4D, or multiverse level+ AT LEAST. This is not the only evidence btw, i could name so many feats by Goku that puts him at infinite 4D.

8- Then I don't know what you've been doing, and honestly i still doubt a bit you were a "fanboy" or actually read DBS. This is basic knowledge, man. And your comments just show your lack of knowledge of the verse.

Good luck scaling Base Thor above this.
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Thor Neither thor is multiversal nor anyone else on DBS
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Thor @Incognito You cannot call a fact ''extreme highball'', sadly for you Dragon Ball's cosmology is one of the weakest in all fiction and doesn't come close to Marvel's, since they don't use conceptual compositions, their power's definition is very basic and not impressive at all, their universes are structured in the most incomplex way possible and so far not even Multiverses have been seen to scale any DB character to that, currently there are much more impressive cosmologies such as umineko's or SCP's, which have many more layers in different ways and are infinitely larger, just like Marvel, even several experts in the field have emphasized it, both the DC's verse and Marvel's are at least in the top 2-3 of all fiction, Dragon Ball's would be in the top 8 being generous.
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Thor @Prion 1) Yes, maybe you proved that UI Goku is universal but you never proved that he was Multiversal+ (which is a bullsh*t to him) and that is the only thing I was asking for evidence of, you still don't prove anything to me.

2) Lmao what? It's still the world's biggest fallacy (no offense) and you're right, I was wrong on the ''well-fed'' part, I actually meant ''moderately-fed ' Galactus, who is still insanely powerful and has shown COUNTLESS feats that would scale him to the Multiversal level easily, you just think it doesn't have them because you don't know anything about the character, and Odin did stalemate this Galactus as I said, rewatch the comic and you'll see, Odin even was using half of his power, plus I never wanted scale base Thor to Odin's level wtf, you concluded that, it's not my fault that Thor's much older than Goku and therefore, has many more and more impressive feats (such as defeating Mangog who had trashed Odin earlier). How can you tell he doesn't have ''consistently'' universal feats? what the hell are you saying he has countless VS feats against characters that scale much higher than that, and just so you know VS feats > quantifiable physical feats/collateral damage. No, definitely Odin's best feat isn't saving nine kingdoms (the ones that still climb much higher than the Dragon Ball fodder-verse), the Yggdrasil tree is a life force from the Omniverse that connects infinite universes/stories/characters between its branches and the part of the nine realms a.k.a universes is only like the tip of the iceberg (the true Yggdrasil) which encompasses much more than the Asgardians believe as Dr Solvong said, so don't dismiss such a feat as if it were little thing so fast. That last weird scaling you provided I didn't understand at all, express yourself better.

3) Mangog being a Skyfather tier proves that he is much higher than the universal+ level in Marvel (or above 4d) which means that characters like Odin, Zeus, Allfather etc... have divine qualities superior to almost all races in the Multiverse, The question of ''is it supposed to prove what, exactly?'' is somewhat ignorant on your part since you don't know practically anything of something you're debating about, I'd bet that I know a lot more about DB than you know about Marvel.

4) Wdym? LMFAO is that really your poor scaling method? I expected much more the truth, that the World of Void is infinite in size? wow don't tell me, in Marvel there are scalings where not even the concept of infinity applies, nor does with terms like space, time, reality etc... All that would be fodder there and the truth shaking an "infinity" space, does not make you someone Multiversal+ at all. 4D? are there even dimensional concepts in DB? lol, Jiren being more powerful than Goku who was 500x more powerful than he was in Universe 6 arc WTF is that! can you even send a statement saying that Goku improved ''500x'' over his past self? that's NOT at all scalable to Multiversal, I see why you think that Bills or Goku would oneshot Thanos XD. Lmfao when it was said that UI Goku could ''destroy'' the Multiverse LOL, you are making things up and that universes' composition is nothing compared to Marvel's, I was wrong to say that Marvel had hundreds of universes in its Multiverses, no... It has INFINITE universes in each one of them, and each universe is made up of micro-universes which have infinite dimensions etc, and I'm not even saying half the structure of a universe in Marvel's cosmology, on the other hand, several experts have claimed that Marvel's cosmology is at least in the top 3 of all fiction, DB's cosmology would be in the top 8 being generous, so sadly for you it's not ''simply'' that a Multiversal character is Multiversal no matter what verse or fiction it is, that depends a lot and you cannot match a verse that's incomplex like the one from DB with a verse as OP as Marvel's, that simple, it's mere knowledge about fictional cosmology, that's all, in DB not even Multiverses have been shown, so it's impossible to even scale any character to that, surely that's why most of DB fans thinks their characters by their feats would solos all fiction and most of the characters from other verses, when unfortunately for them it's not like that and they tend to call those who emphasize it ''hater'' or ''someone who doesn't know DB'' or ''low baller''

(PS: to understand my language about cosmologies and fictions research a little about)
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Beerus 1 - First of all, I proved that SSG Goku was universal, not UI Goku. And, as I said, since he absorbed SSG to his base form, we can say that he's universal in base. I'm not even using the multipliers.

Also, did you read my comment? I proved that UI Goku was multiversal+ in 6/7, and 4. You ignored that completely.

2- Galactus isnt multiversal. Same for Odin, (wich I debunked your claims that Odin was multiversal+). And actually they didn't stalemate at all, he was able to knock Galactus for a few moments, and he gets up seconds later. Odin even stated that he couldn't continue the fight. Thor being older is irrelevant when it comes to feats, since Goku himself has way more impressive feats than some gods who have millions of years.
He has not shown enough feats that puts him a casual universe buster. What do you mean "much higher than that?" Again, scaling base thor to multiversal+, or higher (wich is what you need to do) is just abusurd. And even if he was universal / universal+, he wouldn't be able to beat Beerus anyways. I even talked about the Hakai, wich would simply erase Thor from existence, other thing you ignored.
You're right, sorry. What I was trying to say was that Black ( Goku Black) was shown to be superior to SSB Goku when they fought, stomping him badly. Goku got 10x stronger from the Universe 6 Arc to the Goku Black Arc, and since RoF Base Goku = 2x Universal,two times ten is twenty, so Goku would be capable of destroying twenty universes, which ismore than nine. Well, I hope this one was more clear.

3- "Mangog being a Skyfather tier proves that he is much higher than the universal+ level in Marvel (or above 4d)" Bad news for you, Beerus is way higher than Universal+ level, lol. And I proved that to you, smh. Skyfathers are strong, but there are cosmic entities stronger than them. Beings like GALACTUS. Who is weaker than BEERUS. I never said Odin wasn't universal. I only said he wasn't close to multiversal or multiversal+ as you scaled, lol. Don't get me wrong, you were using the word "skyfather" like it was supposed to prove that anybody who is skyfather is automatically multiversal+.

4- Wdym by that? Everything i said can be scaled to multiversal. Unless you can prove it does not. the fact that Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 3 , SS God etc all have multipliers, we can get them easily to finite 4D. And then we have Ultra Instinct, a limit breaking form. Goku was still a finite 4D being, so he would become infinite 4D to 5D with Ultra Instinct. And thefore, Multiversal. UI Goku and Jiren are above time and space, it was stated in the show and the manga, so they also have immesurable speed. Beerus is above Goku and Jiren, but I can provide scans of Beerus one-shotting the other Gods of Destruction, who also are more powerful than Goku and Jiren.
500x stronger because in the U6 Arc Goku was able to match Hit with SSBKKx10. The next arc, Goku was able to fight Hit down with just SSB, showing that he got 10x stronger. Goku was later shown to be on par with Hit in SSG , which is 50x weaker than SSB as a lowball. This is because Super Saiyan Blue is the Super Saiyan form of Super Saiyan God, and Super Saiyan has a 50x multiplier.

So Jiren was stronger than a Goku that was 500x stronger than he was in the Universe 6 Arc. ...Goku who was universal in base in the beggining of DBS... How does Thor stand a chance against this...?
They would one shot Thanos easily. Not important anyways.
It is shown the multiverse in Dragon Ball, and it is not as simple as you think, many people forget about the details and scenes in DB, DBZ, DBS, and even GT, it also have infinite dimensions and realms, not to mention the details in the maccrocosm, so you're using fallacies again.
"DB fans thinks their characters by their feats would solos all fiction and most of the characters from other verses, when unfortunately for them it's not like that and they tend to call those who emphasize it ''hater'' or ''someone who doesn't know DB'' or ''low baller''" You can't simply argue with a DB fan if you don't can even scale its characters. Then of course you call the verse fodder. You don't understand it.
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Thor 1) Don't take Goku's multipliers so literally, since the fact that Goku's base increases has increased his power by 500x doesn't mean that he can destroy 500 universes or something like that, if so, you mean that current Goku would oneshot all the Angels and who is supposed to be the most powerful being in Dragon Ball (Zenosama)? Since the most that Zeno has done is to destroy 6 universes, which is very fodder considering that a Multiverse in Marvel is structured by infinite universes and infinite layers/concepts, even 2nd degree concepts such as Aristotelian, I doubt you know anything about this considering how used you're to the fodder-verse of DB (once again, no offense), although it's not the most fodder there is, there are even more inferior cosmologies such as JoJo's or Star Wars', so cheer up!

I never read anything in your previous comment to prove such a thing, if I'm honest...

''Galactus isnt multiversal. Same for Odin, (wich I debunked your claims that Odin was multiversal +).'' LMAOO that Galactus isn't Multiversal?

HE LITERALLY ABSORBED THE BLACK CELESTIAL (Celestials are known to be a Multiversal race even superior to Skyfathers).

Are you also going to say that they're not Multiversal? that would be the height of your lack of knowledge about Marvel characters.
ABSORBED THE POWER OF THE SPHINX (another Multiversal being)
ABSORBED THE PHOENIX FORCE (another arguable Complex Multiversal cosmic force, you surely have heard about it)




Galactus is the third face of the Tribunal, and the third balancing force of existence, as such, he can contact the Tribunal when necessary.

BATTLED FOUR CELESTIALS (Battling 4 Celestials until they merged and defeated him, the question is, did they have to merge to beat Galactus?) Plus this proves that Galactus consistently struggles with Celestials (Multiversal beings x2)


And believe me he has MANY other VS feats that would escalate him to that and more, Odin was equaled with Galactus even though he didn't beat him, which not any "universal +" can do, to equalize for a long time and even knock out momentarily to Galactus you've to be at least close to his level.
BASE Thor on the other hand, has also consistently stunned/knocked out/made flee Galactus on SEVERAL occasions. For example in this one:

Or this:

On that side, I could easily scale Thor to Multiversal level if I wanted, what could you refute against this?
I think you misunderstood me with ''Thor is older than Goku'' since you thought I was referring to age (although that is also true) actually, I was referring to the years that he has been appearing in comics (he was created in July of 1962, long before Goku) so for obvious reasons, he has much more physical feats and VS feats than Goku, you can't just dismiss them all as (they don't come close to Goku or Bills) that simple, fun fact: Thor is much more skilled in combat than Goku or Beerus via the difference of years training as a warrior.
The hakai isn't as impressive as they say, if Frieza was able to literally tank it and then grab it with his bare hands, why wouldn't Thor who has energy manipulation as well and has endured attacks millions of times more powerful than that? smh.

3) If according to you, Beerus is'' way above'' Universal+ then what scale would he be? ONCE AGAIN, in DB they haven't even shown Multiverses literally speaking, how can Beerus scale to that? Also I already debunked the ''infinite'' stuffs and the simplicity of DB's cosmology. And not just any Skyfather scale to Multiversal you're right, but Odin, who's arguably the most powerful Skyfather, would, so would Mangog.
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Thor (PS: I made two comments cuz I couldn't send all this info in one message ._.) 4) Well your scaling method is somewhat confusing and basically doesn't prove anything, you're only using a scaling like A >>> B >> C > D (for example) and D is universal so A is Multiversal and not lol, this isn't how to scale a character And just as I expected, you couldn't prove much, the maximum you could prove was Goku is universal (in all his forms) and Jiren or Beerus scale to that, nothing more, and if according to you, Goku can destroy 50 universes in his SSB KK then why he hasn't done anything close and he even was surprised/worried every time Zeno deleted a 2 realms-sized universe (which is immensely fodder, again)? you mean Goku, Jiren and Beerus do scale above Zenos? no lol, not even Zeno has shown a decently multiversal feat in his verse and none of the gods of destruction come close to that (including Beerus), actually the feat of fighting various gods of destruction isn't that impressive as those gods are pretty featless to calculate their power, not to mention that Bills is stated to be one of the most powerful Gods of Destruction among the universes that participated in the tournament (so it's understandable that he would do what he did) Plus none of the gods was going for the kill when they were fighting Beerus.
By the way, you keep ignoring the fact that Marvel's Multiverses are structured by infinite universes and infinite layers in each of them, so far DB has only shown 17 universes... Do you have any non-fan arguments to favor this? I don't think so... Based on that you can already say that an even Universal Marvel character >>> >>> a character "Multiversal" of DB, it's unfortunate that the verse for which you argue is one of the weakest in all fiction, but it's so.

Also proving the fact that ''DB's universes have infinite dimensions and realms'' as you claimed, would help you, good luck with that when DB not even uses the concept of realms.

Next, I'm going to scale Thor to atleast baseline Multiversal in the way that's more understood, credible and logical as possible.
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Thor 1.Thor pushed the intent of both Yggdrasil and World Engine :

Thor wrestled the World Engine which was going forward, a giant wheel that was turning in the wrong direction was gonna end all the worlds and Thor pushed it backwards, using his immense Godly strength, while being extremely weakened due to him being sick, he overpowered it, plus his palms and hands was burning while pushing the wheel:


-''I force it back. And i do not care that i am fighting Yggdrasil or the Engine.''
-''I force it back.. i do not care if i am violating laws.. I force it back.. to an end.''
So what is impressive here ? The Engine that Thor overpowered by pushing the wheel was connected to the World Tree, aka Yggdrasil, it was all about the tree actually. The World Tree as we know contains the 10 realms, which are fully-formed, complex and discrete universes taking into account their true forms (the space and time around the 10 realms), which in fact, are only the tip of an infinite iceberg… the Tree of Everything actually contains more than infinite number of universes and boundless branches and roots that are spread across the Marvel multiverse.

Cosmologist Erik Solvang:


''Basically there are infinite universes. Infinite possibilities. A Quantum Metaverse.''

Odin: ''The tree that is Everything. That has its roots and branches in All That Is.
There are ten realms in this reality, ten spheres, ten universes, and the tree winds through them all. Through every star and planet, every life, every story.''


''Fountainhead of all being… Yggdrasil, you hold in your astral bowers All That Is, All That Was, All That Ever Will Be. Upon your back we ride across time itself. Digging into your skin, we tap the life’s blood of the ages.''
Note: the 2 words written in black in the 1st scan and which is also in the 2nd scan refer to the multiverse, they mean multiverse; Everything and All That Is mean multiverse. As seen here and in multiple other comics.


''Everything is screaming. Eternity. The multiverse. Everything that is known. Shackled and helpless. Held in chains in the endless void. Screaming. And behind the personification of All That Is… Just out of sight. Something else takes hideous form. And laughs. And reaches.''
Multi-Eternity is basically the embodiment of all of creation, the multiverse. He is the multiverse, and so is All That Is which was used to refer to Multi-Eternity, and so is Yggdrasil.

A single universe in Marvel is boundless:

''And where one Eternity would ensure a boundless universe — a Multi-Eternity would unsure a boundless multiverse.''

''An infinite series of infinite numbers, all greater than each other. Yet, it is of such concepts — and more — that the multiverse is made. For the multiverse is literally a transfinite number — that is, a number greater than infinity — of universes.''

''Yggdrasil, the world ash, the tree of life has three main roots, but it exists en every plane of reality''

And here it states that he fought against the combined intent of both tree and engine:

''In turning the wheel, you would be fighting against the combined intent of both tree and engine.''

Conclussion: He overpowered the weight of a MULTIVERSE and infinite branches and roots, that weight would be transfinite, as a single universe in Marvel is boundless. Add to that the fact that Thor was extremely weak at that time, he was sick and had constant pain, he were dying.
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MrJaeger07
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Thor 2. Thor withstood the explosion of a vastly powerful weapon, the Unbinding Stone:

Thor tanked the explosion of the Unbinding Stone, an alien weapon wielded by Ereshkigal. He, after finding a Vibranium, legit dashed straight into the Stone to destroy it utterly with the Vibranium, tanking its explosion QUITE EASILY. He was the cause of the explosion:

''I am Thor, son of Odin, God of thunder. In all creation.. in all un-creation, i require but one small thing to triumph over any odds.. hope.''

''I give you the word of a prince of Asgard''

The Unbinding Stone is a MULTIVERSAL weapon capable of obliterating utterly all of creation:

''The Deviant who calls herself Ereshkigal has obtained a weapon, an Unbinding Stone, that will do far worse than rewrite reality.. it will utterly erase it.''

''Unless my colleagues and I can discover the Unbinding Stone of Oshemar in this Dung-heat city.. all of reality might well perish!''

''In underground Lemuria, the Deviant witch Ereshkigal wields an Unbinding Stone which can dissolve the entire material realm into vapor..''

''Will he now release Ransak and Karkas from his thrall, that they may aid me locating Ereshkigal before she inadvertently puts an end to all reality?''

“.. And now the fate of all reality hinges on the ingenuity of a power-mad Deviant.”

''We’re too late.. too late to save all reality.''

Conclussion: Thor tanked the complete explosion of a multiverse destroying weapon, blown out straight onto himself.

3. Thor fought the Phoenix Force itself, bringing it down:

Thor confronted the Phoenix Force face to face and threw his hammer at her, knocking her out. She literally had to consume the planet and refuel, in order to get back up. Phoenix Force is one of the oldest and most powerful beings/entities in Marvel. I would say she is even beyond all abstract entities, excluding Living Tribunal. Just hurting her is just already insanely impressive.. like just fighting her actually is already crazy impressive, making you a very powerful character. And Thor legit put her down with a strike so hard that she had to consume the planet to get back up.. she needed to refuel:


Here is what the author answered to this question:
''*Here we've got a pretty epic confrontation between Thor and the Phoenix. What exactly happens in this scene. Does Thor hit the Phoenix so hard that it needs to stop and refuel?*

Yeah, the idea was here's was basically Phoenix versus a god, which, you know, seems like a fair fight. So Thor went and smacked the Phoenix so hard that he knocked the bird out. [Laughs]"

Conclussion: Thor simply smacked the Phoenix Force with a powerful strike and the author said that it was a fair fight, a God versus the Phoenix. Which also means that Thor could fight against any abstract entities like Eternity, Infinity, a fed Galactus, Watcher, Inbetweener etc and simply put up a good fight against them, he could hurt them and also knock them out, as he is a God, he would even defeat of course the ones who are below in the hierarchy like Chaos, Order, Celestial, Skyfathers, like he did to Galactus and Odin.

4. Thor fought and GAVE fight Odin when this latter wore the Destroyer Armor and wielded the Odinsword:

Thor and Odin fought many times, seriously, Thor even beat him and made him kneel before him, and this time was worse. Odin was amped through the vastly powerful Destroyer Armor and the insanely powerful Odinsword :






The Destroyer Armor is extremely powerful. It was created by Odin through magic and through all the Skyfathers power (Zeus, Odin, Vishnu etc..), all into the Destroyer. It was made to battle the Celestials.
The Odinsword is so powerful that it was able to cut Yggdrasil, the World Tree that contains infinite universes in a half:

''During battle with tremendous foes from beyond the World Tree, the Mighty Thor drew the powerful Odinsword from its eternal scabbard and split Yggdrasil in twain''
A vastly powerful weapon that can slice through space and time.. and is the end of all things:

“A sword that symbolizes the end of all things.
A blade that could slice through space and time itself”
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MrJaeger07
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Thor Could blow up the universe:

''For, if ever this mighty sword be unsheathed, the planets themselves would tremble with fear!
Sometimes, referred to as Odinsword! According to legend, if ever it leaves its sheath, the end of the universe will be at hand!”
So strong that it can cut through a very powerful Celestial, the All Mighty Arishem the Judge:

The fight between this immensely amped Odin versus Thor destroyed the heavens, they ripped the heavens apart"

''And thus did the Gods fight. And thus did father and son rend the heavens asunder..”

Conclussion: Don't expect Thor to win here lol. He lost, that's pretty logic. Odin alone is already more powerful than Thor. Odin like that with the Destroyer and the Odinsword, in my opinion he could destroy the multiverse to be honest. It wouldn't be bad if we see this Odin battling against a powerful Celestial or a fed Galactus and their battle destroys the multiverse or almost, it sounds logical. So the fact that Thor can battle Odin who wears the Destroyer PLUS wields the Odinsword and can do well against him and can tank his insanely powerful attacks, just shows how powerful and durable Thor is. They tore the heavens asunder.

5. Thor fought an entire pantheon of Gods, 10,000 lethal Gods, and their planets, all inside Glory:

Thor took on Glory on his own, the personification of ten thousand Gods and their worlds, all inside Glory:







He hurt him so bad that he made him scream in pain. Glory was an entity who had never felt pain before. They fought each other and Thor destroyed him utterly. Their battle tore the reality asunder. Reality here might mean universe as well as multiverse, i dont know, as sometimes it is used as universe and also as multiverse.

Conclussion: nothing complicated. If you can go toe-to-toe with a cosmic being like Glory who literally is the embodiment of an entire pantheon of Gods and worlds that he consumed (10,000 gods in total), this just means that you are powerful enough to deal with that. And Thor seriously hurt the entity and later obliterated him.

6. Two weaker Thors shook the entire multiverse:

Dargo and Masterson sent shockwaves throughout the entire Marvel multiverse, creating a Big Bang, the power is compared to the Big Bang:

Bonus. here Thor claiming that his strength is infinite:

''Have you forgotten, executioner, how quickly the thunder God can recover his unlimited strength?!''
That is the 3rd time seeing he is infinitely strong.

Thor and Hercules are exactly equals in raw strength, as seen here:

“this could go on for hours, for days, for weeks! These guys are immortals! We might even be talking years, decades, centuries!!!
Well, we could always tell our readers the truth.. that Thor and Hercules are so evenly matched when it comes to raw strength..”
This means that Thor could lift the infinite heavens (obviously the universe) as well, like Hercules did for 3 hours effortlessly, without strain, as if he had lifted a simple building, and was having a normal conversation with Atlas while doing it:


There is more than that that would show that Thor is consistently ATLEAST baseline Multiversal… but it would take a lot of time to list them all.
So I hope all these scaling methods sufficiently supported by several scans and statements is enough for you to understand that Thor could be perfectly Multiversal if we really want to scale him to that and it's not ''absurd'' at all, I even skipped the Chaos King feat, where Thor stunned/wounded Amatsu-Mikaboshi (who had consumed 98% of the Multiverse) with a thunder, I'm not so sure if that was a Godblast but however, it doesn't matter much. So yes, it can be said that Thor is CONSISTENTLY Multiversal.
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MrJaeger07
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Thor Is Beerus close to some of what I just showed you or atlest does he has the half of Thor's feats? let's be honest, it's not like that at all (and considering the great superiority of Marvel's cosmology, Thor based on these feats, would be heavily more powerful than Beerus), gg.
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Thor @MrJaeger07 I applaud you, we need more people like you back here. You're extremely knowledgable.
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Thor @ManofPower appreciate it bud :)
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Beerus Ok, Thor is powerful no doubt, but let’s put this into perspective. Both are gods trained in combat. Beerus, however, has over 200 MILLION years of combat experience as opposed to Thor’s thousand and change. Thor is not even consistently universal. At best, with consistency and not high-balling, Thor is a galaxy buster. Beerus is a casual multi-universal threat. Beerus literally destroys for a living. Without even trying, he could eviscerate universe 7 and when he fought champa, they threatened multiple universes just by messing around, not even trying. Ok? That’s the point. Yes, Thor has universal and even some multiverses feats. But they are not consistent and generally speaking are outliers. Also, he is exerting a lot of effort and power pulling those feats off. Beerus is multi-universal without even trying. That’s the difference. Plus, we have not even seen Beerus at his most powerful yet.

Also, Goku when he went Super Saiyan God Blue was nothing compared to Jiren. Jiren shook infinite time and space just by powering himself up. Beerus has held back the same power Goku with a single finger and without breaking a sweat. You can argue all day about the cosmologies, but at the end of the day Beerus is a tier above Thor. Thor with the Odin force is a more appropriate matchup.
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Thor @Mr_Incognito How can you scale a character that doesn't even have multi-universal feats or statements? even Zenosama, who has only destroyed 6 universes (which is nothing compared to the infinite universes that make up Marvel's Multiverses), hasn't Multiversal feats, not to mention that Beerus sh*ts himself every time he sees them and, if still You don't know the concept of ''Multiversal'' I recommend to you to look for it, in the case of Dragon Ball, to be someone Multiversal there you've to have the ability to eliminate the 17 universes that exist in its vAsT cosmology of a one shot (which hasn't been shown or declared for Beerus, as far as I know) and as "casual" as Beerus does things that seem impressive, they don't actually put him at a higher level than what he has show nor much less "Multiversal", with that excuse I could already say Saitama is capable of destroying a planet by holding himself back so without holding back he would be universal and no lol.
On the other hand, Thor may not be consistently Multiversal, the same Superman, but at least I showed @Prion that if we really had the intention of scaling him to that, it could be done perfectly (which he didn't think) because knows nothing about Thor, and that I didn't show even half that other Multiversal level feats Thor has, and that's the point, Thor at least DOES HAVE Multiversal feats, which implies infinite universes and infinite layers in each of them, which is much higher than what has been shown in Dragon Ball so far, you can't just ignore them with the excuse "they're not consistent, they're oUtLiErS" and that's it, plus assuming that Beerus can destroy all 12 universes in oneshot (which hasn't been proven), it still doesn't reach the heels of something Marvel's Multiversal, that's what I want you to understand.
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Beerus This Thor is the weakest Thor in the marvel multiverse stop scaling him to multiversal when he is at maximum galactic.
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Beerus Goku SS God was already universal and he is below Goku SS Blue and Goku Black, and these are all much weaker than Goku UI, who is multiversal, and Beerus can kill Goku UI using less than 10% of his strength.
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Thor @pedro And? Do you have a statement saying that UI Goku is "Multiversal" and that Beerus would beat him with "less" than 10% of his strength? Let me guess, you don't have it, plus, I already debunked Prion's weird and no valids scaling methods about UI.
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Thor ''This Thor is the weakest Thor in the marvel multiverse stop scaling him to multiversal when he is at maximum galactic.'' What? you just begged me to stop scaling him to that (ignoring all the evidence) because I actually did could? sorry mate, but that's not a enough argument
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Thor Plus can you prove 616 Thor is the ''weakest'' Thor in the Marvel Multiverse? Lmao is the most important and the one with the best feats if anything
Prion
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Beerus 1- Hum... Wtf? The multipliers are factual, dude, It's approved by the creator of Dragon Ball , so yeah, you can take it seriously. "...doesn't mean that he can destroy 500 universes or something like that..." Dude then what does it mean? Lmao, I scaled goku through the arcs that he got stronger, it's completely scalable. This is how DB works. This just proves you know nothing about DBS. "Goku would oneshot all the Angels and who is supposed to be the most powerful being in Dragon Ball (Zenosama)?" Tf do you mean by that? Angels have their own scale, you can't compare Goku to an angel, angel's base form is UI XD. Destroying 500 universes doesnt mean he would one shot all the angels, because angels scale WAY above that. It's pretty logical. "Since the most that Zeno has done is to destroy 6 universes, which is very fodder..." Only because he erased only 6, doesnt mean its the maximum he can do lol, Zeno already erased a whole timeline, and it was stated by Grand Priest he could erase all reality, so good luck ignoring that. Marvel is composed by infinite universes, but is Base Thor CONSISTENTALY universal? NO. Too bad, this fodder verse has characters that folds Base Thor.
"I never read anything in your previous comment to prove such a thing, if I'm honest..." No, you just ignored it. You didnt even talk about it, or mentioned it... You completely ignored the fact that the next level after finite 4D is infinite 4d to 5d.

2- The first Galactus scans you sent of him absorbing people was kinda useless, since Odin never fought one of these Galactus, and you're including versions of him wich i didn't even talk about. I was referring to "moderately-Fed Galactus", wich Odin fought and lost. Base Thor gets one-shotted by these versions of him. "Odin was equaled with Galactus even though he didn't beat him" LMAO, no. Odin himself admitted he would need the power of every single asgardian to have a chance against Galactus. Even with the Odin Force he would get stomped. Thor stunned/knocked out/made flee Galactus does not make him at the same level as Galactus, even in DB a weaker person can damage a stronger opponent, without being in his level... (Kefla vs UI Omen Goku proves it, and many other fights) Odin, who is above BASE thor, has lost both times against Galactus, how can you say Base Thor is above/the same level as Galactus? "I think you misunderstood me with ''Thor is older than Goku...''", Even if a character has more feats, it doesnt necesseraly mean that he has the better feats. "Thor is much more skilled in combat than Goku or Beerus via the difference of years training as a warrior." Did you really just forget Beerus has millions of years? Lmao. "if Frieza was able to literally tank it and then grab it with his bare hands..." First of all, Frieza tanked a super weak Hakai, actually, its not even a Hakai, that was just raw destruction energy. it's nothing compared of what beerus did to zamasu, so that wasnt really the best counter. Hakai simply erases Thor, just like Zamasu.

3-"If according to you, Beerus is'' way above'' Universal+ then what scale would he be?" It would be higher than Multiversal+, since he's stronger than UI Goku, who has infinite 4D to 5D power (wich you ignored). "in DB they haven't even shown Multiverses literally speaking, how can Beerus scale to that? " Hum, it was actually shown, you can't just consider the 12 universes, like whaa? What about, for example, the future trunks timeline?... In Daizenshuu 7, the living universe alone was described as infinite. "Also I already debunked the ''infinite'' stuffs and the simplicity of DB's cosmology." WTF? Please tell me where did you debunk it.
"not just any Skyfather scale to Multiversal you're right, but Odin, who's arguably the most powerful Skyfather, would, so would Mangog." Even if he was multiversal, wich he CLEARLY ISNT, you would have to scale Thor below multiverse level, wich would mean below beerus.
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Beerus 4- "You're only using a scaling like A >>> B >> C > D (for example) and D is universal so A is Multiversal and not lol, this isn't how to scale a character" Ok... Again, proving you don't watch much DB. This is literally how it works, Goku and the other fighters get stronger throught the arcs and you can scale them with that. For Dragon Ball its a completely available scale, and obvious. Do you have any proof my scale is wrong or anything? I doubt it.
"the maximum you could prove was Goku is universal (in all his forms) and Jiren or Beerus scale to that" WTF! you even admitted that Goku is universal in all of his forms, but if you really thought of it for a sec, and remembered that Goku has his transformations and multipliers, you could get him way higher than that!
"if according to you, Goku can destroy 50 universes in his SSB KK then why he hasn't done anything close and he even was surprised/worried every time Zeno deleted a 2 realms-sized universe (which is immensely fodder, again)? you mean Goku, Jiren and Beerus do scale above Zenos? no lol" Is this it? Is this really your argument? Zeno has his own scale, Goku/Jiren/Beerus are stronger and faster than Zeno because HE'S NOT A FIGHTER. But, Goku/Jiren/Beerus are FAR BEYOND any power of Zeno. It's incredibly simple.
"the feat of fighting various gods of destruction isn't that impressive as those gods are pretty featless to calculate their power" It was explicity stated that every God of Destruction is above the Mortals, such as Goku, and Jiren, so, they would have to scale to Beerus. They have millions of years as well, so they are more experienced than Thor. So Beerus one-shotted the other Gods of Destruction, who also are arguably Multi- Universal to Multiversal (at least) beings. He is above them, yes, wich proves he's above, at the very least, Multiversal beings. "Plus none of the gods was going for the kill when they were fighting Beerus."
The other gods had already a bit of hatred with Beerus, that's why they joined forces. * face palm * Of course they weren't going for the kill, one of the rules was that you couldnt kill, but they wanted to knock him down, due to their little hate towards him.

Even if Marvel does have infinite universes and infinite layers in each of them, that wouldnt help because Thor is not a casual universe buster as Beerus.
"...one of the weakest in all fiction, but it's so." Lmao, only because it doesnt is as "complex" as marvel is, doesnt mean its one of the weakeast, you probably dont know shi* about the db multiverse (no offense), based on what you have said before, even a normal fan would understand it, if that "ex- fanboy" knowledge of yours emerged you would know that you are forgetting too many things, and only considering the 12 universes.
Prion
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Beerus 5- First scan: You seem to have highballed Thor with that. It forces Yggdrasil to return to an earlier time state through the engine, but can you prove that it actually moves the entire mass of the entire tree of Yggdrasil to another location? All Thor is doing is pushing the wheel, and World Engine does not affect / invest the time of a total totality of Yggdrasil in multiple universes, if it did, all versions of the alternate universe of the Nine Realms would have been directly affected. The only credit I give Thor is that he is strong enough to move the wheel (which I imagine must weigh a lot).

Second scan: "Thor tanked the complete explosion of a multiverse destroying weapon, blown out straight onto himself." Wow I'm not impressed, Jiren, and even Kefla has tanked a Kamehameha from UI Goku, who is multiversal+.

Third scan: "Thor simply smacked the Phoenix Force with a powerful strike and the author said that it was a fair fight, a God versus the Phoenix." I see you misinterpreted that phrase, lol, it was irony, that's why he ends the phrase with [Laughs], and even calls Phoenix "bird". "He thinks he won", "Not even a god can stop it", Phoenix is simply way above Thor. So the explanation you put is invalid.

Fourth scan: Thor has only beaten Odin once, and that was when he was drunk, and suppressed. But going to the scans: Thor didnt give fight, he was just trying to resist, Odin did not even fight seriously. I do recognize the power of that version of Odin though. "A blade that could slice through space and time itself”" Even Goku Black created a rip In Time And Space, and he did it casually, so, not much impressive. "So the fact that Thor can battle Odin who wears the Destroyer PLUS wields the Odinsword and can do well against him and can tank his insanely powerful attacks, just shows how powerful and durable Thor is" He didnt do "well", Odin clearly wasnt going for the kill, if he was, he could whoop thor in 3 seconds.

Fifth scan: We've to consider how Thor defeated him: "His body trembling from the effort, Thor raised Mjolnir high-- Absobing Glory's fire into the hammer, channeling it through Asgardian metal..." So, Thor had basically used Mjolnir to absorb and redirect Glory’s attack. Then this is successful, and even caused a Quantum Tsunami that tore a hole in reality. He wasnt toe to toe, he used his attack against him, wich is pretty smart.

Finally, 6th scan: For starters, the first scan is literally an outlier, lol. "Thor claiming that his strength is infinite" Fallacy. "Thor and Hercules are exactly equals in raw strength" Didn't Thor himself say that Hercules was stronger? Despise the fact thar Thor is more powerful overall? If so, that Hercules' feat doesnt really apply.

"There is more than that that would show that Thor is consistently ATLEAST baseline Multiversal… " Not at all, you didnt prove that base thor was multiversal, the scans you sent didnt prove much (as i expected). At this point you're just overrating Thor.

Note: The feats you sent were without a doubt really good feats, but it doesnt make Thor multiversal, bud. Beerus scales way above that.. Also, don't think for a moment that I hate Thor or anything like that, in fact, Thor is one of my favorite characters in Marvel, It's just "kinda" impossible to scale him to Beerus, since he has not shown enough feats to put him at Beerus' level. Especilly when he transcends time, and has immeserable speed.

I also want to respond to one of your comments up there: "I already debunked Prion's weird and no valids scaling methods about UI." You didnt, in fact, you didnt
even mention my scale about 4D and 5D, and the others I meantioned.
GG's.
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MrJaeger07
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Thor @Prion You accuse me for ignoring your absurd scaling methods and you just ignored everything I sent you screaming that they're not true or that Beerus has done more surprising things? once again DB's FODDER-verse doesn't compare to Marvel's, do you keep ignoring it? Before claiming that I ignore your stuffs, first stop ignoring mine, then we talk, also, I no longer need to make another bible to prove you're wrong, with the scans and evidence that I sent you is enough, if you kept going ahead with your kid mentality unable to debate up to par, it's your business, you literally called all my ACTUAL scans ''Fallacy'' ''that didn't prove much'' or simply ''not at all'', nothing that someone with common sense would say, I thought you could give more than that and you disappointed me, well, you didn't expect those scans or that I could scale Thor base to that, eh? because you don't literally know anything about Thor, I at least know something about DB and I even told you before we started debating, so you can't just say it's a lie or an ouTLiEr like you've been doing, you also ignored the fact that in Dragon Ball hasn't even shown Multiverses nor have they used such a term to scale any character to that, it's that it costs you so much to assume it? I debunked your biased ass, and after my last reply you did nothing more than act like a complete asshole, I get out of this.
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Prion
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Beerus Did you just... ignored (again) all i've sent? I did respond to everything you sent, unlike you, so wdym? I didnt say nothing wrong, you're proved many times to be a Thor "fanboy", so I get why you're frustrated, also, Dragon Ball isnt even my fav verse, i just understand how powerful its characters are. You didnt debunk nothing, I even looked if you actually debunked something before I sent the last 3 messages, and found nothing so... I'm sorry if I offended you in some way or anything (wich i dont get why), but since you're out, this is my last response to you, and this topic.
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Thor Simply the way you just ''responded'' everything I sent is the worst that I've ever seen and sounded completely bias, if you couldn't justify my scans and Thor's best feats in a better way, you wouldn't have responded. I didn't ''ignored'' you, literally all you sent before, you sent it again, so why would I answer the same thing twice? You only added things like: ''Jiren tanked a kamehameha from UI Goku which is Multiversal+ (of what you didn't give proof), ''all Gods of Destruction are atleast Multiversal cuz they scale to Beerus'' again, you haven't prove Beerus to be Multiversal not even a consistent universal and I'll REPEAT YOU THE QUESTION, How the f*ck does any character in DB scale to even low Multiversal if in the verse they hasn't mention nothing related to that? They haven't even presented Multiverses, much less composed of infinite universes like Marvel's, the maximum that has been shown is Zenosama destroying 6 universes, which is pathetic... Calling me a Thor fanboy is the last resort that a person who does know how to debate would use, you simply used it because you had nothing better to argue, due to you see that I know a lot about Thor and every time someone wants to criminally lowball him, I put them on their site (just like I did with you when you thought it was impossible for me to scale Thor to even universal) lol, I even scaled him to Multiversal, how did you stay? Oh, at no time did I feel offended by you, in any case, the only thing that offended me was the way you wanted to repel my scans in your last answer, but there are no more turns to give, it stays that way, I won and you lost, GG.
Mr_Incognito
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Beerus Beerus murderstomps.
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MrJaeger07
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Thor He doesn't at all, this is a very close fight if anything.
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Beerus Beerus is multiversal. He destroys planets by tapping them with his finger. This is not close at all. Beerus destroys Superman, WW, Hulk, Thor, and more easily.
Atemporal
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Thor Galactus is Omniversal-Transfinite
MrJaeger07
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Thor It makes me worry that you're heavily overplaying Bills.
Atemporal
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Thor Trolls must be ignored.
Mr_Incognito
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Beerus I’m not trolling whatsoever. Beerus is a level above characters like Thor and Superman.
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Thor Superman, Wonder Woman, Hulk, and Thor would all beat Beerus. Some would struggle more than others but it is inevitable.
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Beerus That's absolutely ridiculous. Beerus is a casual universe buster, without even trying. You heavily underrate characters you don't know as well.
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Thor @Mr_Incognito Agreed, Beerus has a chance against Superman/WW.
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Beerus He could beat both at the same time. Superman, WW, Thor, and Hulk could ALL take on Beerus at the same time and they still likely wouldn’t be enough. That’s just my opinion.
Taurus
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Thor No, there's no way in HELL that's happening. Beerus wouldn't go for Hulk off the bat, and even if he did the others would stop him from taking out Hulk early.
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Beerus Your extrapolation of Hulk's strength is meaningless against someone like Beerus. He is a casual universe buster. Hakai also negates durability and would wipe all from existence.
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Thor Ok gl to him.
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Beerus Beerus one-shots all Thor version except OKPT, RKT and some other versions.
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Thor Thor takes this one.
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Thor Ignore my comment down there. Beerus cannot solo the Avengers, and he can't beat Odin... at all. Even then, he would still have a much better chance at taking down Thor than someone like Vegeta.
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Beerus Who in the avengers could stop him? I agree he loses to Odin though.
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Thor Sentry, Ghost Rider, Doctor Strange, Scarlet Witch, etc. Thor might also be able to do it, but if he has the help of other herald tier characters like Hulk, the Avengers would win.
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Beerus Since when are sentry and ghost rider part of the avengers? Beerus can destroy planets just by touching them and almost destroyed the universe just by the shockwaves of his fight. That’s hard to match. How is hulk herald tier?
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Beerus Yes. Base Wanda is even enough for him.
AkhilPDX
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Thor Most Marvel superheroes (and even some villains) have been on the Avengers before. I should look over Ghost Rider though. His position on the team might have been non-canon.

Beerus is definitely low multiversal, but Thor, Hulk, and other heralds have feats on that scale or at least close. Characters like Thor and Silver Surfer are also faster than most Dragon Ball characters and they have a ton of hax to help them out in the fight.

Hulk scales to other herald tier characters like Thor, Hyperion, and Gladiator. He also has several feats on that tier.
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Beerus Thor and Hulk are definitely not on the level of Beerus. Silver surfer is close to him, but he isn’t part of the avengers if i remember correctly.
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Thor Beerus caps at low multiversal which isn't a lot more than the good Marvel Heralds if not at all depending on how high you scale them.
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Beerus I don’t agree with that, but ok. Thor and Hulk don’t really stand a chance against Beerus. Nor do Superman or WW.
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Thor @Mr_Incognito How aren't Thor or Hulk ''definitely'' on the level of Beerus but SS is close to him, and Thor has beaten THREE times SS while Hulk consistently struggles with him? that doesn't make sense.
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Beerus Silver Surfer in terms of pure hax and power is closer to Beerus than Thor and Hulk, who are more like brawlers.
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Thor They're more than that, and in terms of hax Thor is if not superior to the level of SS, that's why he managed to beat him in every their fights.
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Beerus Beerus one-shots the avengers, Odin, Galactus, Thanos, Darkseid and some other characters.
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Thor That's funny! Have you ever considered becoming a comedian? I think you'd be quite successful.
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Beerus This Thor loses to Base Goku from Manga, this Thor is multi-galactic, Base Goku is universal.
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Beerus Even @LordTracer was already denying you fallacies about Dragon Ball.
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Beerus Hakai
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Thor stomp
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Beerus BEERUS STOMP NORMAL THOR,RUNE KING THOR BEAT BEERUS
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Beerus I’d say that Beerus is high multiversal since he can destroy planets and say the word “Hakai”!!!
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Thor vcowles77 Destroying planets doesn't make you ''high multiversal'' nor much less.
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Thor High Muitiversal hahahaha
MrJaeger07
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Thor Just cuz he aLmOsT dEsTrOyEd the universe with the shockwaves from his punches lmao
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Thor Odin tore through the fabric of the Multiverse and with half his power destroyed an avatar of the entity called infinity, DBS is nothing special compared to Marvel. (is fodder)
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Thor Odin basically solos all DBS, not even Zenos are on his level.
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Beerus Beerus and Champa just dicking around were destroying universe 6 and 7 without even trying.
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Thor Only if they fight, that's just Universal not Multiversal, not even in Heroes they are multiversal so forget about these fodders.
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Thor At this point if you're an avid Marvel or DC reader, "universes" aren't that impressive.
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Beerus Unless you can prove that BASE Thor is consistently universal +, which is absolute baloney, then he is not beating Beerus.
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Thor I already proved it above and more than just ''universal+'', which you didn't expect.
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Beerus It isn’t consistent. You took his best showings and acted as if they’re normal.
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Thor @Mr_Incognito Ngl, you've done the exact same thing with Flash before so...
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Beerus I gave proof that his feats were consistent, not just outliers. Also, you’ve done the same thing with many of the marvel heralds.
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Thor Which surpasses everything Beerus have done, and again, Thor isn't consistently Multiversal, but he atleast does have feats at that scale and that's A LOT of feats, you can't simply ignore them and until now Beerus hasn't even showed one, the maximum he has showed was at universal-universal+ scale.
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Beerus Beerus’s full potential hasn’t even been reached. The point is trying to make is that Beerus is universal+ without even trying. Thor is not on that level of power. Most people on this site know that you’re a Stan for Thor, even more so when you try to scale him to multiversal.
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Thor Simply saying "without even trying" doesn't scale him to Multiversal as you claimed several times above, Beerus is what has been shown so far (universal+) and to say just because he doesn't try he's more than that would be speculation, it's like saying that Saitama casually stopped a planetary attack without even a gesture so at his full potential he would be galaxy buster lol, and I'm maybe a huge fan of Thor (not bias) because you've seen me vote against him several times, and I only scaled him to Multiversal based on his feats to show those who thought it was impossible to scale him to that, that if I'm trying hard I could perfectly, although my general thought is that base Thor is normally multi-galactic level (and I'm not even counting Marvel's cosmological superiority in all respects over DB's).
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Beerus Ok, so right there you just proved yourself wrong. If Thor is multi-galactic, then he loses against a multi-universal character like Beerus, especially with the hakai.
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Thor No, because apart from the fact Thor consistently lives fighting enemies much more powerful than him and even beats them, a universal being from DB wouldn't be on the same level as one from Marvel, besides, I never said that Beerus was consistently universal+, I only said that MAXIMUM he has shown is on that scale, just as the maximum Thor has shown is on the Multiversal scale.
Mr_Incognito
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Beerus That is not Beerus’s max. Many data books state he can easily destroy universe 7. He is universal easily, not at max. Consistently Thor is galaxy level and Beerus is universal.
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Thor But even so, she literally sh*ts himself every time he see Zenosama, a universe destroyer, plus destructive power feats and collateral damage is not the same as VS feats, on this side Thor is far superior to Beerus consistently facing at least universal-low Multi enemies.
Mr_Incognito
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Beerus Beerus has taken on five other gods of destruction at the same time on his own and laughed off attacks from SSG Goku. He’s done all of this with EASE.
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Thor Besides Thor tanked the Unbiding Stone explosion pretty easily, also he did beat Glory EFFORTLESSLY, so I can say that's not Thor at his very max as well.
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Thor ''Beerus has taken on five other gods of destruction at the same time on his own and laughed off attacks from SSG Goku. He’s done all of this with EASE.'' None of these beings are even Multiversal, Thor tanked pretty easily a Multiversal bomb, also he destroyed with no trouble Glory who is arguably low Multi, he has beaten Mangog and Thanos at the same time fairly quickly, I'm pretty sure that the latters together are Multiversal, he struggled many times with the Destroyer, an armor that faces CELESTIALS, he has beaten Gorr, knocked out Galactus in a shot many times, etc... he has done all these things without being at his max.
Mr_Incognito
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Beerus They are actually multiversal, and those are high-ends.
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Beerus Okay, even if Hope is the White Phoenix, Wanda isn't her equal because of Tony Stark's one statement. And it's especially shown to be incorrect when the true embodiment of Chaos Magic, Chthon, is stronger than the Phoenix Force.
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soratoumiga
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Beerus That was not Tony Stark. That was narrator. And what makes you think Wanda doesn't possess the full potential of Chaos Magic?
And saying Chthon is more powerful than Phoenix Force is tricky. He is more powerful by feats, but PF should be higher.
LordTracer
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Beerus Tony Stark was the one narrating. Wanda doesn't have the full potential of it because Chthon does. He created it, he's the embodiment of it, he's the full potential of it. It's just logic. And there's no reason that Phoenix Force should be above Chthon.
soratoumiga
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Beerus But he wasn't the one saying it, and even if he was, it would probably be true, since he's really smart. Abstract Entities are above Elder Gods, however, Chthon is different, and I do agree that Chthon is more powerful, however, Phoenix Force has enough reasons to be above Chthon.
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Beerus He was the one narrating, so it's obviously him saying it. And even with his intelligence, Stark doesn't know much about abstracts. Hell, even Reed Richards doesn't know much.
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Beerus Yeah, but how else would he be able to make a suit capable of contending with the Phoenix Force?
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Beerus Didn't that suit get dominated by the Phoenix Force?
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Beerus Nobody knows how that battle went, but he probably did get defeated, but still held against the PF for a few minutes.
AkhilPDX
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Thor Thor is not winning this
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AkhilPDX
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Thor Actually, I think Beerus can solo the Avengers as long as Strange or Wanda isn't on it. You need someone like Odin to take down the God of Destruction.
LordTracer
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Beerus Beerus would beat Wanda and Odin.
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Thor Not saying he can't. He most definitely can, but I think Odin beats him the majority of the time. As for Wanda and Strange, I said he can solo the Avengers as long as those two aren't on the team.
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Beerus But how would Odin beat him the majority of the time? Beerus is more powerful, thousands of times faster, and could just erase him with the Hakai. Same with Wanda, except the power gap is much larger. And the only Avenger he can't beat is Strange, so if Wanda and Strange are on the team, he still solos them until he gets to Strange.
soratoumiga
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Beerus Wanda would blink and destroy Beerus. She's far above him in power. Same goes for Odin, same goes for Strange.
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Beerus @LordTracer: You do realize that Beerus is only universal+ in power? Odin is multi-universal, Strange is multi-universal at his peak, possibly higher, Scarlet Witch is multiversal. Beerus doesn't even come close, and there's no way he would solo Avengers, especially if Scarlet Witch is there.
10earthquakes
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Beerus Beerus is multi-universal too.
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Beerus All Gods of Destruction are universal+.
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Beerus First of all, Beerus is multi-universal. Beerus is stronger than Vegito, who is stronger than Kefla, who is 10x universal+, at least. He's stronger than Odin. Scarlet Witch isn't multiversal, we've been over this already. Classic Strange would dominate Beerus, but Modern Strange would get torn in half. Only way Beerus couldn't solo the Avengers is if Classic Strange is there, but he's never been an Avenger, so he doesn't count.
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Beerus First of all, prove that he is multi-universal. Odin is multi-universal, so he is stronger than Beerus. Scarlet Witch is far above anyone in Dragon Ball, and she's an Avenger. She has high multiversal feats, as I've already proven. It's just a matter of time, until you accept them. You always use Composite Strange, so he would be in the battle.
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Beerus @Tracer And you still think Zeno is 18x universal if he literally scares the living **** out Beerus all the time, lol.
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Beerus I literally just proved it. Kefla has the combined power of Caulfila (universal+) and Kale (unknown power), then multiplied by ten. So she's already stronger than Odin. And Vegito is her superior, and Beerus is his superior. So Beerus is ten times universal+, which puts him above Odin. HoM Scarlet Witch has high multiversal feats, and HoM Wanda is not an Avenger. Yes I do use Composite Strange. But we said Avengers. Classic Strange was not an Avenger, he was a Defender, so he can't be used. So Beerus solos the Avengers.
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Beerus I meant send me the proof of when that happened (When Beerus was said to be stronger than Vegito, and Kefla). That's only 10% more power than Odin, so he's not that stronger, not to mention that Odin is much smarter than Beerus. I was talking about the time when Chaos Magic was proven to be equal to the Phoenix Force, a HIGH MULTIVERSAL entity. I could dug around some more feats, but I know what you're gonna say about them. Nevertheless, it wouldn't be fair if you only use Classic Strange against some of the characters, and not all of them.
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Beerus Well, Vegito is stronger than Kefla because he's got the power of Goku and Vegeta (a stronger combo than Caulifla and Kale) put together. Beerus is stronger than Vegito just because of logic. Jiren is the only mortal to ever surpass a God of Destruction, so Vegito is below Jiren. And once again, Wanda is not Chaos Magic. Chthon is. Wanda is not the equal to the Phoenix Force. Except we're putting Beerus against Avengers, so it's only logical to use Modern Strange.
soratoumiga
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Beerus Wanda uses the full potential of the Chaos Magic, so she is equal to the Phoenix Force.

https://imgur.com/a/3toN6YP

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says "...all of it embodied in two amazingly powerful women".
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Thor Since you always use Classic Strange, it would be logical to use him again. But even if we don't, Current Strange would still put up a fight.
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Beerus No, the full potential of Chaos Magic is Chthon. And that quote is bull because the embodiment of the Phoenix Force is White Phoenix of the Crown.
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Beerus Classic Strange is not an Avenger. And as I've said, Classic Strange would be the only one who could actually stop Beerus.
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Beerus Also, Modern Strange would get dominated, even if Beerus doesn't use the Hakai.
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Beerus Nope, that's wrong. It's not bull, and Hope Summers has the potential to become White Phoenix of the Crown, so they are equal.
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Thor THIS is what I mean. You favor some characters over others and miscalculate so many feats and you scale so many characters wrong. Current Strange is still very powerful. Wanda is also extremely powerful and would not get speed-blitzed by anyone, and Odin is actually very fast himself and would defeat Beerus.
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Beerus Doctor Strange is one of my favorite characters. Why the f**k would I underestimate him? Current Strange has zero feats above solar system level without being buffed, and unless you can find something that says otherwise, shut the hell up.
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Beerus Is Hope the White Phoenix? No? Then it's bull.
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Beerus Hope is the White Phoenix.
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Beerus No, Jean is the White Phoenix.
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Beerus No, both of them are. Jean just has more feats.
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Beerus When was Hope ever explicitly called or seen as the White Phoenix.
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Beerus Literally the second she received Phoenix Force. She is the only host, except Jean and Rachel, who knew how to control the Phoenix Force.
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Beerus Lady Phoenix from the Stone Age Avengers could control the Phoenix, she wasn't White Phoenix.
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Beerus Except that Marvel has officially said that Hope Summers is the White Phoenix.
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Beerus I am the god of destruction. tell me thor, what were you the god of again
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Beerus Lol.😂😂
soratoumiga
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Beerus Why is Thor winning this? Oh, right.
10earthquakes
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Beerus All Beerus needs to do is grab Thor and say Hakai to him and Thor's erased.
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Thor stop it with the dead trheaths
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Thor and no that was my little brother
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Beerus @majongensnowden
Aren't you the one that posted for an entire day one word comments with animals name ?
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Beerus The only way Thor would win would be to have the superpower called "drink the opponent".
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Thor heep stop with all dose dumb comments of spam they are not funny but irritating
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Thor stop whit this debating everyone in the comments voted for thor ony one voted no one
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Thor i everyone voted fot thor than why this debate i mean wo say comments
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not voted Also whenever Jack Kirby announced the writing of Fourth World epic he was writing. HE confirmed the species and title of Darkseid, Species: A New God, Title: God of Evil. That is from Jack Kirby himself.
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SirSpidey
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Thor Jack Kirby´s Fourth World is not canon
cw6334
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not voted Everything in DC is canon, especially his The New Gods comics. DC made everything canon, if you didn't know.
SirSpidey
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Thor Lol, no. Just no. Rebirth did not make every continuity in DC canon. All Rebirth did was add tiny aspect of past continuities into the New 52 continuity. If something from past continuities didn´t happen in Rebirth, it is not canon
cw6334
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not voted Woah holy s**t for real? OKay actually, I thought they had made everything canon is what I was told I will have to do more research but until then sorry @SirSpidey.
SirSpidey
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Thor Yup. People just like to say Rebirth made all of DC´s continuities canon because they are so desperate to use Pre-New 52 feats as evidence for why a given DC character would win over another. It is just a cheap fanboyistic lie
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not voted funny thing is @SirSpidey I was arguing with the guy who told me that about DC vs Marvel
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Thor Lol, that´s pretty ironic to be honest
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not voted Cause I believe he was trying to argue something about the Watchmen, and there are two things you do not debate me with. Watchmen and Power Rangers lol
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not voted As you can see from profile pic lol
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Thor What exactly was he arguing about concerning Watchmen? I suspect it has to do with Dr Manhattan as he is the one who created the Flashpoint event. Am I correct?
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not voted Yeah honestly I believe that was it because he was arguing that Dr. Manhattan created the whole universe as he acted as "The Big Bang" or something
SirSpidey
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Thor Well don´t ever trust the opinion of that guy ever again, lol. All Dr Manhattan did was erase 10 years worth of history from the timeline which is why you see the New 52 DC characters looking younger than their Pre-New 52 versions. Dr Manhattan didn´t create the New 52 Universe, but instead just altered the Pre-New 52 Universe´s timeline resulting in the creation of the New 52
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not voted Yeah I literally just texted him about it haha, thanks for actually telling me though! But like still, he was able to just erase time? jeez
SirSpidey
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Thor Yeah, it is quite impressive
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Thor The most important thing to consider when answering these battles is heritage and experience, these characters both have godly origins, but Beerus is a far more experienced god, millions of years of age, where Thor is only a few thousand years in experience. In my opinion Beerus has more destructive power then compared to Thor, because he has shown destructive feats that Thor is incapable of doing.
Although Thor wins this fight when it comes to versatility, the powers and abilities he has over Beerus will eventually make him the Victorious, but Beerus will definitely be one of the hardest opponents he has ever fought.
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SirSpidey
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Thor Unless Beerus is more powerful than three Celestials combined, Beerus' "destructive power" ain't going to do s**t to Thor
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not voted Hey um @ SirSpidey if i may interject, Darkseid is technically classified as a "new god" in the DCEU
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Thor But a New God is still an Alien it would be like saying Wonder Woman is a God cause she can use her gods ability
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Thor New gods are considered to be a race of gods in the comics, like the Olympian gods.
SirSpidey
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Thor One, not that it really matters, but in which comic is this confirmed? Two, being considered a god, does not mean you are a god
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not voted @SirSpidey it doesn't even matter if he gives you proof, because it is DC so you will just shoot it down lol
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Thor Rephrase that comment. I don´t understand what you are trying to say
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not voted You asked what comic it was confirmed in, the I said it is a DC comic where Darkseid is confirmed as a "new god". Then I said it doesn't matter if we tell you what comic it is confirmed in because you won't care anyway because you don't debate DC
SirSpidey
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Thor Lol, okay. Whatever you say kid
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not voted Says it on your profile that you don't read DC and if you do now, you need to change it.
SirSpidey
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Thor My profile says, ¨I will gladly (unless it's DC) read up on other characters to expound upon my knowledge of different characters, even DC characters.¨ What I mean by this is that I will read up on DC characters to expound upon my knowledge of those characters, but I will not do it gladly because DC is awful
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not voted I actually kinda agree I only read them because I wanna have knowledge at all levels no matter what universe.
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Thor Or Thor dissipates Beerus' molecules
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Thor The fact that Thor cannot destroy planet's as easily as Beerus means he is probably less powerful than he is, in terms of destructive power. I mean Beerus has destroyed clusters of planets with nothing more than a sneeze, Thor has never shown this level of strength.
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TheNemianLion
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Thor Dude, planet busting is so hilariously insignificant it's not even funny, there are 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 planets in the universe.
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Thor It doesn't really matter how many planet's there are in the universe, my point is Beerus can destroy
Planets far easier than Thor can.
TheNemianLion
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Thor He can't, Mjorlnir can destroy planets like a hammer does pebbles, besides, planet busting doesn't matter, when Thor can actually destroy universes, while Beerus needed Goku's help with 5.5 punches AND a kamehameha, to SHAKE the universe, not destroy it. (Lol)
TheNemianLion
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Thor A sneeze is 70 newtons, a trained fighter has a punch of 4000 newtons, that means with a punch Beerus at that level could destroy 57 clusters of planets, (4,000 divided by 70 is 57) which isn't even ANYWHERE NEAR CLOSE to Thor's striking strength.
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Thor Your equation is obviously inaccurate because you do not know what level Beerus is at.
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Thor And Thor cannot destroy universes.
TheNemianLion
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Thor With Thor's Godblast, he almost killed a fully fed Galactus, a being that can EASILY destroy a universe, so yes, Thor is certainly capable of destroying a universe
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Thor Also, my math is very rarely ever wrong, I'm not saying Beerus at his best can destroy 57 clusters of planets, I'm saying at the level he was at there and then he could.
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When he fought SSJGOD Goku, he would be at like 1/30th of a universe buster, by using FACTUAL MATHIMATICS, it took their combined 5.5 punches and a kamehameha to shake the universe, that is 11 punches each, and a Kamehameha would be equivalent to about 20, so Thor is LEAGUES above Beerus, via actual facts and not bias statements.
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Thor Just because he is capable of harming Galactus with the god-blast doesn't mean he is capable of destroying a universe.
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Thor Thor didn't merely harm Galactus with his God Blast, Thor would have killed Galactus if Galactus would not have fled from the blast. Just because Thor isn't evil enough, does not mean Thor can't destroy a Universe
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Thor Just because Thor is capable of breaking Galactus's durability doesn't mean he is capable of the same feats as him. Let's look at it differently, I'm sure you know the story of David and Goliath, Goliath was capable of defeating entire armies, and David defeated him with a single stone, using your logic for this story David is capable of defeating entire armies with a single stone because he is capable of harming Goliath with it, this obviously doesn't make sense.
TheNemianLion
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Thor Except David and Goliath is a biblical story which doesn't abide by the laws of physics or common sense, David got a lucky hit in, Thor hit Galactus point blank, there's a difference here.
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Thor That's exactly my point Thor got a lucky hit, and it still doesn't mean that Thor is now capable of the same abilities as Galactus.
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Thor A lucky hit!? LOL. I don't think it is lucky when the God Blast has worked literally every time Thor has used it. Thor is capable of almost everything Galactus can do and more. Especially since he has the Thor Force
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Thor Explain to me how Thor can destroy entire universes because he was able to break through Galactus durability? Because it really makes absolutely no sense.
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Thor Because he is more powerful than Galactus who is Universal level. Thor also has proven to do many things to suggest he is above Galactus in many ways
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Thor Galactus has accomplished feats that are far beyond anything that the God of Thunder has ever been capable of, saying Thor is more powerful is just your opinion.
SirSpidey
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Thor Please, list some feats that Galactus has accomplished that Thor can't. Just prove me wrong. I have been waiting for years for someone to prove me wrong, now might be the time
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Thor That's easy when has Thor created powerful beings that are on the same level as Silver Surfer, Never. And I'm not sure what you are talking about I've disproved you many times, with things you've come up with, you just like to deny facts because your biased.
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Thor When has Galactus' creations ever defeated Thor? NEVER. You have never proven me wrong. It's kinda funny you say I am biased whenever everything I claim is fact. Just because you think that I deny the facts does not make it true. Give me one instance where I have denied the facts. Don't waste your time because you aren't going to find one instance
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Thor It doesn't really matter if Galactus's creations can defeat Thor, you asked me to give you feats that Galactus is capable that Thor isn't capable of. An example of you denying the facts, I've given you statements from the comics and literally every other source, but you still deny that Darkseid is a god.
TheNemianLion
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Thor What does Darkseid have to do with any of this?
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Thor thor heals faster
TheNemianLion
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Thor It's good to know you've changed your mind, you're on the right side now.
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Thor @remy94: Yes, it does matter that Galactus' creations can't defeat Thor. It means that Galactus' power is not sufficient enough to create someone powerful enough to defeat Thor. And of course Thor could create powerful beings. Considering Thor has the Odin Force, Thor could create them just like Odin could do with the Odin Force. Darkseid is not a god. I have proven to you that he isn't using facts from the comics, but you still deny them. Darkseid was in fact an alien who stole the powers of some supposed gods. Even those supposed gods are arguably not even gods as they are referred to as Old Gods. Just because you steal powers from gods, does not make you a god. If that were true, Jane Foster would be a god, but we all know she isn't. So please, try again
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Thor You asked me for feats that Galactus is capable of that Thor is not capable of, and I did just that, Thor has never created beings as powerful as the Silver Surfer. Darkseid is depicted as a god in Darkseid #1, Justice league #1, in Darkseid war comic series, Wonder Woman #37 the Dc comics encyclopedia, the official Dc website, and virtually every media he's in. You've denied all these factual sources and insist that Darkseid is an alien, but you can't provide any statement from the comics that even suggest he is. It's obvious that you don't like Dc comics so that's probably why you constantly try to make their characters into something they are not.
SirSpidey
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Thor Hey, if you don't like what the comics depict, that is your problem, not mine. I have proven to you time and time again that Darkseid is an alien, but no, you just like to deny what the comics depict to fit your fanboyistic needs. If you want evidence, refer back to our debate on the Galactus vs Darkseid battle. Also, the encyclopedia and websites say that Darkseid is a New God, not a god. As I have said, just because you steal the powers of a god, does not make you a god
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Thor Even in our debate on Galactus vs Darkseid you didn't provide any statement from the comics that suggest Darkseid is a alien, it's all just been your opinion from the beginning.
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Thor Darkseid is an alien. The comic says, "In the dirt fields of the WORLD before our worlds, there was a Mud Grubber named Uxas" - Kaiyo. This proves the fact that Uxas was created an alien on an unnamed planet. The comic says, "Great Father! Hear our prayers! You blessed us with life! Do not take it from us now! We know our imperfection offends you! But we love you with all our hearts and we beg your mercy!" - Izaya and Avia. This proves my argument that Uxas, Izaya, Avia, and all the rest of there fellow alien Mud Grubbers were all created to worship there Fathers, or Old Gods (In Uxas' and Izaya's circumstance, they pray to Yuga Khan because he is their father), who gave them life. The comic says, "The Gods don't give a damn about us" - Uxas. Uxas literally says he is not a God. The comic says, "The MORTALS in their dirty fields screamed" - Kaiyo. This proves my argument that Uxas is not a god, he is a MORTAL alien. The comic says, "And stared down on the great creators and destroyers of all he knew" - Kaiyo. This proves my argument that Uxas was created by Yuga Khan to worship him. The comic says, "Little man, give me a prayer. Believe in me worm and I will give you all you desire" - Kaiyo. The Old God literally calls Uxas a little MAN (or alien) and a worm. So, since I have proved my argument fact for like the fifth time, you cannot say ridiculous things like, "you didn't provide any statement from the comics that suggest Darkseid is a alien, it's all just been your opinion from the beginning." You are ridiculous kid
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Thor Where are you coming up Alien, the comic doesn't even state Darkseid heritage or his origin before he became a Mud grubber, although the narrator of the story does state Darkseid's heritage, he states that Darkseid is a god.
SirSpidey
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Thor Nope, Darkseid stole the powers of some supposed gods. That does not mean he is a god. Darkseid's origin will always be of an alien Mud Grubber from an unknown planet. If you deny that, you deny the comics themselves
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Thor I'm not denying the fact that Uxas is the son of Yuga Khan or that he was a Mud grubber, and that Darkseid is stated to be a god numerous times, I'm denying that Darkseid is a alien because the comics make no recollection of this.
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Thor I just proved that Darkseid is an alien. Quit denying the facts
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Thor You haven't proven anything, Darkseid is a god until literally stated otherwise.
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Thor Did I not just do that? Why are you trying so desperately to make Darkseid into someone he isn't? If he is stated as being a god or not, just because you steal the powers of some supposed gods, does not make you a god
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Thor Darkseid's father was Yuga Khan one of the legendary Old gods, meaning he has a divine heritage, and he has always possessed godly abilities. He has lived for billions of years and is worship as the god of evil, every writer depicts him as a god, and he is always stated to be a god by other characters including other gods like Zues for example. I would be perfectly fine with saying he is a alien, but that would be denying the facts.
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Thor I have already debunked everything you said there. I would rather not repeat myself. If you think a Mortal Mud Grubbing Man Worm has a "divine heritage", so be it. Just know that you are completely denying the facts and all of logic in general to depict Darkseid as being something he is so clearly not, okay? Heritages don't change if you steal the powers of some supposed gods. Darkseid's heritage will always be of an alien Mud Grubber even if he is stated as being a god
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Thor You have not debunked anything I've said, you can't even prove otherwise.
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Thor I literally just proved otherwise. Just give it up already. You know you lost, now deal with it like a man and move on
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Thor Lol, I have not lost anything, I've provided actual factual statements from the comics that state Darkseid is a god. You say Darkseid is a alien, which is your own opinion, because you cannot provide any factual statements, which means you have not won this debate.
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not voted Guys, there's more important fights to be talking about. Like Gary the Snail vs The Presence
SirSpidey
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Thor @remy94: I have provided actual factual statements from the comics that state Darkseid is an alien. You say Darkseid is a god, which is your own opinion, because you cannot provide any factual statements, which means you have not won this debate
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Thor Darkseid is stated numerous times to be a god throughout the comics, how is that my opinion, I'm just repeating what the comics say. Until you can actually find a official statement from the comics that explicitly says Darkseid is a alien, (which you won't because he isn't a alien) it is just your own opinion that he is.
SirSpidey
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Thor I have already done that. I refuse to repeat myself. Darkseid has the heritage of a mere alien even if he is stated to be a god. Darkseid is only stated to be a god because he stole the powers of some supposed gods. Stealing the powers of some supposed gods does not make you a god if you have the heritage of a mere alien
remy94
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Thor Lol, I find it funny that you can't even provide a simple statement from the comics that explicitly states Darkseid has a alien heritage. Plus A mere alien would not be able to defeat a entire race of gods.
SirSpidey
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Thor Lol, I have already done that. Lol, I refuse to repeat myself. Lol, Uxas did not defeat an entire race of supposed gods. Lol, the supposed gods only defeated themselves. Boom roasted
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Thor Lol😂😂😂 okay Darkseid is a alien, even though there is no factual statements from the comics that say he is. Also the Old gods aren't the only race of gods Darkseid has defeated.
SirSpidey
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Thor Lol, :) :) :) I have already done that. Lol, :) :) :) what other races of gods has Darkseid defeated? Lol, :) :) :) Boom roasted
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Thor Again you have not provided any actual factual statements from the comics that states Darkseid is a alien, so your argument is entirely based on your opinion. Also Darkseid has defeated the Olympian gods.
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Thor Lol, again, I have already done that, so my argument is indeed fact. Lol, in which comic does Darkseid defeat the Olympian gods? Lol, boom roasted
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Thor No you haven't, sense there is no statement in any comic that says Darkseid is a alien. Wonder Woman #47
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Thor Lol, there is. Lol, Darkseid isn´t even mentioned in Wonder Woman #47. Lol, where did you get that Darkseid defeated the entire Olympian pantheon? Lol, boom roasted
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Thor Sorry wrong comic, Wonder Woman #37
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Thor Also where is the statements that explicitly says Darkseid is a alien, or are you just making this up.
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Thor You can read, can you?
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Thor Yes I can, and the only place I can find alien is stated by you on this site, not in the comics.
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Thor Lol, that was not Uxas in Wonder Woman #37
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not voted I don't understand the purpose of this debate. Why does it matter if someone is an alien or not? If someone originates from anywhere other than the Earth, then they are an alien. Superman is an alien, Thor is an alien, Darkseid is an alien, etc. Being an alien does not decrease or increase power. There are powerful non-aliens like Legion and there are strong aliens like Martian Manhunter, and there are also weak ones on both sides like Hawkeye and Rocket Raccoon. The terms "alien" and "god" are completely useless and the origins of most beings are meaningless because their power levels always vary. One is not necessarily more powerful than another just because they come from a certain place, thee are so many other factors to consider.
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Thor @remy94: Lol, as I have said about a million times, the word ´alien´ is not used to describe Superman. Lol, why does it have to be used to describe Darkseid?
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Thor @wolfdragon123: The purpose is that @remy94 is calling Darkseid something he isn´t. There is a heritage hierarchy. If you are a god, you are automatically superior to humans. Also, why would you call Thor an alien? Thor has the heritage of a god and is stated as being a god throughout his entire publication
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not voted Why is Thor not an alien? The only reason someone is considered to be a God is because they are worshiped. In that sense, Darkseid is also a God because he is worshiped by the people of Apokolips, Superman is a God because he is worshiped by the people of Earth, and Ra's al Ghul is a God because he is worshiped by the League of Assassins
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Thor Oh, so you went from everyone is an alien to everyone is a god. Let´s have a well thought out debate about this @wolfdragon123. Do not start switching your position all so suddenly. You are not a god if you are worshiped. What determines if you are a god or not is your heritage. Alien Kings on Earth are worshiped and they are not actual gods. They may be perceived as a god, but that does not mean they are a god. This is were ones heritage comes into play. Superman, Darkseid, and Ra´s al Ghul all have heritages of an alien which means they are not gods
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Thor Hold up, Ra's Al Ghul is an alien?
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not voted @SirSpidey how did I switch my position? Why can't gods be aliens and vice versa? And how is Thor not an alien?
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not voted @TheNemianLion no, Ra's isn't an alien, I do not know why @SirSpidey thinks he is. But Ra's could be considered to be a God to the League
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Thor My only purpose is to state the facts, no matter if anyone chooses to accept them or not. To the human race most any being is considered to be alien that dose not come from Earth. It takes a godly heritage to be considered a god, both Thor and Darkseid have this, but characters like Superman don't belong in the same mold.
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Thor @TheNemianLion: I do not know much about Ra´s al Ghul, but what I do know is that he is definitely not a god, if that is what you are implying
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Thor @wolfdragon123: Is that not obvious? You went from everyone is an alien to everyone is a god. I literally just told you why gods and aliens cannot be interchangeable. I literally just told you why Thor is not an alien. As for Ra´s al Ghul, by all means, tell me what he is. Because I honestly do not know. You literally just illustrated my point in it´s entirety. Yes, Ra´s al Ghul can be considered a god, as you said, but that does not mean he is a god
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Thor Ra's Al Ghul is technically just a human who made himself immortal with the Lazarus Pit, so no, the only thing he has that gods have is immortality (to a certain extent)
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Thor @remy94: Well evidently, you are not fulfilling your purpose. Most of the things you say are your own opinion. Darkseid, the Imperfect Mortal Mud Grubbing Man Worm (exact words from the comics), does not have the same heritage of a god such as Thor. Why would you think he does?
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Thor @Crazyjacky: So he is an alien. Geez, I know more about Ra´s al Ghul than @wolfdragon123 and I haven´t read one of his comics. That is flat out sad
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not voted You seem to not know basic English vocabulary, so let me help you out. The term "alien" means, "relating to or denoting beings supposedly from other worlds; extraterrestrial." So unless Thor is of a species that evolved on Earth, he is an alien. As for gods, it is a very subjective term since anyone can think of anyone else to be a god as long as they have some power over them. So yes, Thor is a God because he was worshiped thousands of years ago, but he is also an alien since he is not from Earth. And what exactly is a godly heritage? There are so many different beings that are thought to be "gods" and they all have very different origins. As for your other comment, I do not know what you were reading, but you obviously didn't read @Crazyjacky's comment. He literally states that Ra's is a human. How did you read that and comprehend it to say that Ra's is an alien?
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Thor Well than, thank you for clearing the mess up. How do you get Alien from Human?
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Thor This statement by Zonuz, one of the legendary Old gods, comes directly from the comics it should put a end to the debate on whether or not Darkseid is an alien or a god, but knowing SirSpidey, he will make up some other reason why Darkseid doesn't have a godly heritage. "I am Zonuz! But like my son, I choose another name. Honorific of terror. Yuga Khan the sire of evil. Father of Darkseid. -Yuga Khan
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Thor @wolfdragon123: You seem to not know how to read basic proper English. So let me help you out. You say anyone can think of anyone else to be a god as long as they have some power over them. As I have said for about the tenth time, being considered a god, does not mean you are a god. Just because you are worshiped, does not mean you are a god. What makes you a god is your heritage. And apparently you don´t even know what a godly heritage is, so, again, let me help you out. Thor has a godly heritage like no other because he is the biological son of an Elder god and an Asgardian Sky-Father god. Thor inherits the godly attributes of gods therefore he is a god. Superman, Ra´s al Ghul, and Darkseid do not have the same heritage as someone like Thor because they have alien heritages. As for the last part of your comment, humans are aliens. Humans have the heritage of an alien, therefore they are aliens
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Thor @Crazyjacky: Because humans are aliens
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Thor @remy94: Darkseid is an alien. The comic says, "In the dirt fields of the WORLD before our worlds, there was a Mud Grubber named Uxas" - Kaiyo. This proves the fact that Uxas was created an alien on an unnamed planet. The comic says, "Great Father! Hear our prayers! You blessed us with life! Do not take it from us now! We know our imperfection offends you! But we love you with all our hearts and we beg your mercy!" - Izaya and Avia. This proves my argument that Uxas, Izaya, Avia, and all the rest of there fellow alien Mud Grubbers were all created to worship there Fathers, or Old Gods (In Uxas' and Izaya's circumstance, they pray to Yuga Khan because he is their father), who gave them life. The comic says, "The Gods don't give a damn about us" - Uxas. Uxas literally says he is not a God. The comic says, "The MORTALS in their dirty fields screamed" - Kaiyo. This proves my argument that Uxas is not a god, he is a MORTAL alien. The comic says, "And stared down on the great creators and destroyers of all he knew" - Kaiyo. This proves my argument that Uxas was created by Yuga Khan to worship him. The comic says, "Little man, give me a prayer. Believe in me worm and I will give you all you desire" - Kaiyo. The Old God literally calls Uxas a little MAN (or alien) and a worm
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Thor The comic you are referring to does not actually give any recollection of Darkseid's heritage, all it states is that he was once a Mud grubber. If you would research further it is stated that his heritage is not alien, but godly, stated by his very own father Yuga Khan.
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Thor @SirSpidey you are not convincing me of anything, so far you have not given me any solid evidence that says Darkseid is a alien. Me on the other hand have provided actual explicit statements from the comics that states Darkseid has a godly heritage. If Darkseid was indeed a alien then you should be able to provide a statement that says just that.
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not voted @SirSpidey you still haven't explained what a godly heritage is. All you said way that Thor is the son of an Elder "god" and an Asgardian Sky-Father "god." What makes these two people gods? And what exactly are godly attributes? You of course cannot be referring to their power since there are people as powerful as them or even more powerful that are not considered to be gods. And how exactly can you (a human) call other humans to be aliens?
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Thor @sirspidey Are you not human? Cause if you aren't then you can call humans aliens. As aliens are extraterrestrial, which Humans are not. (unless you aren't Human then they are)
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Thor @remy94: For your first comment, Yes it does. It states Darkseid was a Mortal Mud Grubber. That is his heritage. If you deny that, you deny the comics themselves. In which comic does Yuga Khan state that Darkseid has a godly heritage?
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Thor The Darkseid war, Shazam #1
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Thor "Billy Batson Shazam. Earth's mightiest mortal. With the amazing power of six gods of antiquity then the god of evil died. His death throes rippled across creation. In that instant Shazam's connection to his gods blinked. And new gods moved in." If Darkseid was indeed a mere alien then his death would not have affected creation and the gods in any way.
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Thor @remy94: For your second comment, yes I did. Shall I repeat myself? Darkseid is an alien. The comic says, "In the dirt fields of the WORLD before our worlds, there was a Mud Grubber named Uxas" - Kaiyo. This proves the fact that Uxas was created an alien on an unnamed planet. The comic says, "Great Father! Hear our prayers! You blessed us with life! Do not take it from us now! We know our imperfection offends you! But we love you with all our hearts and we beg your mercy!" - Izaya and Avia. This proves my argument that Uxas, Izaya, Avia, and all the rest of there fellow alien Mud Grubbers were all created to worship there Fathers, or Old Gods (In Uxas' and Izaya's circumstance, they pray to Yuga Khan because he is their father), who gave them life. The comic says, "The Gods don't give a damn about us" - Uxas. Uxas literally says he is not a God. The comic says, "The MORTALS in their dirty fields screamed" - Kaiyo. This proves my argument that Uxas is not a god, he is a MORTAL alien. The comic says, "And stared down on the great creators and destroyers of all he knew" - Kaiyo. This proves my argument that Uxas was created by Yuga Khan to worship him. The comic says, "Little man, give me a prayer. Believe in me worm and I will give you all you desire" - Kaiyo. The Old God literally calls Uxas a little MAN (or alien) and a worm. There is your evidence. If you deny it, you deny the comics themselves.
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Thor @remy94: For your third comment, that explains nothing about Darkseid´s heritage. You know why? because we already know his heritage from Justice League #23.1. And his heritage is of a mere alien no matter what happens later on in his publication. Even if he gains powers of some supposed gods, Darkseid still has the heritage of a mere alien. I have said it many times before, and I will say it again, just because you are considered a god, does not mean you are a god
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Thor @wolfdragon123: I literally just explained what a godly heritage is. This proves that you can´t even read basic proper English. If you don´t think Gaea and Odin are gods, I´m honestly done debating with you. There is no point in debating with stupidity. Of course I am referring to their power. Just because a being is more powerful than a god, does not mean that that god is not a god. I am failing to see you logic in that. Please, explain yourself. What do you mean how can I call a human an alien? I don´t know? Maybe I have fingers that can type on a keyboard? You tell me
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Thor @Crazyjacky: Thanks for proving my point
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Thor I'm sorry @SirSpidey I do not respect your opinion because you can't even provide the word alien, so this means you are just assuming he is alien. Just because he was once a Mud grabber on a world does not make him alien. My option is that Darkseid is the god of evil, son of Yuga Khan, because that's exactly what every comics says he is.
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Thor My god @remy94, its like a never ending loop with you. As I have said so many times before, the word ´alien´ is not used to describe Superman, why should it be used to describe Darkseid? Explain yourself. You have yet to convince me that Darkseid is a god. Just because he is considered a god, does not mean he is a god. His heritage will always says differently. So keep doing further research until you can prove me wrong
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not voted @SirSpidey how would you define the word "god" without using any variation of that word? I'm seems like your whole reason for calling Thor a god is: "He's a god because he's a god." And if does have to do with power, why are Franklin Richards, Legion, Mister Mxyzptlk, and Spectre not gods?
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not voted And let's just ignore that last part of your comment since it's obvious that you know you're wrong and don't want to discuss it anymore
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Thor Superman is Kryptonian which is a alien race, and also Kal El's father is never stated to be one of the legendary Old gods. If you want to say Darkseid is a alien then go right ahead, just don't say it's factual unless you can provide official statements that says he is.
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Thor @wolfdragon123: What do you mean my only reasoning for calling Thor a god is, ¨He is a god because he is a god¨? Have I not been saying Thor is a god because of his heritage this whole entire time? This even further cements my argument that you can´t read basic proper English. Franklin Richards, Legion, and Mister Mxyzptlk all are not gods because there heritages dictate they aren´t. Being powerful does not mean you are a god. I never said I didn´t want to discuss it anymore. I was questioning your logic in that last part of my comment. What is wrong about saying humans are aliens? Explain yourself
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Thor @remy94: Darkseid is a Mud Grubber, which is an alien race. Yuga Khan isn´t Darkseid´s father as we know what a father is. Yuga Khan only created Darkseid to worship him (as that is the only way Yuga Khan can survive), just like all of Darkseid´s fellow Mud Grubbers were created. Just because Darkseid was created by an Old God to worship him, does not mean Darkseid has a godly heritage. I have proved to you that Darkseid is an alien using statements from the comics themselves. Saying my argument isn´t factual is flat out incorrect
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Thor Lol, you think a Mud Grubber is a alien race, also where are you coming up with Yuga Khan creating Darkseid, the comics do not state that at all, and Yuga Khan explicitly says that Darkseid is his son, it's never once stated that Yuga Khan created Uxas.
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not voted @SirSpidey so you are saying that gods have to come from a lineage of powerful beings? And if you would still like to continue that discussion, please tell me why humans are aliens to you. Because from what I know, aliens are extraterrestrial beings that originate and evolve on planets other than the Earth, so humans would obviously not fit this description.
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Thor @remy94: Of course Mud Grubbers are aliens. What else would they be? IT´S A NEVER ENDING LOOP WITH YOU. The comic says, "Great Father! Hear our prayers! You blessed us with life! Do not take it from us now! We know our imperfection offends you! But we love you with all our hearts and we beg your mercy!" - Izaya and Avia. This proves my argument that Uxas, Izaya, Avia, and all the rest of there fellow alien Mud Grubbers were all created to worship there Fathers, or Old Gods (In Uxas' and Izaya's circumstance, they pray to Yuga Khan because he is their father), who gave them life. "And stared down on the great creators and destroyers of all he knew" - Kaiyo. This proves my argument that Uxas was created by Yuga Khan to worship him. I´ve stated these quotes many times before. For some reason, you find it fit to completely ignore them. SO PATHETIC
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Thor @wolfdragon123: Gods have to come from a lineage of gods such as Gaea and Odin. Humans are aliens to other fellow aliens
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not voted @SirSpidey, if gods have to come from a lineage, then I guess that Mister Mxyzptlk is a god since his whole race consists of lineages of powerful beings. And if gods have to come from a lineage, then that would mean that the Gods of Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and all other monotheistic religions are not truly gods. And yes, humans are aliens to other aliens, but you (a human) cannot call other humans aliens. And you still have not explained why Thor, Odin, Gaea, and all the other Norse gods are not aliens.
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Thor I'm not ignoring anything, yes Uxas was once a Mud Grubber, which is in no way a alien species. The comic does not give any recollection of Darkseid belonging to any alien race, again this is just your own assumption. The comic does however state that Darkseid is a god by Kaiyo, the narrator of the story. Darkseid is indeed the descendant Yuga Khan, As stated, "Father of Darkseid" if he wasn't, his father would have said creator of Darkseid. Also using your logic, how is being created by the Old Gods make Darkseid a alien?
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Thor @wolfdragon123: Do not compare God to comic book gods ever again. Not only is that disrespectful, but it also makes zero sense. Mister Mxyzptlk may be a descendant of powerful beings, but that does not mean he is a god. As I have said so many times before, yes, power has a lot to do with it, but your heritage is what actually makes you a god. And Mister Mxyzptlk does not have the heritage of a god. Why can´t I call humans aliens? That is what they are, are they not? Is it illegal or something to call a human an alien? You see, I am having trouble understanding your logic. Please, explain yourself. The dictionary says that a god is a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes. Gaea has power over Earth. Odin created life on Earth. Therefore, they are considered gods
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Thor @remy94: Mud Grubbers aren´t aliens!? Lol, you must think they are gods, don´t you? Mud Grubbers fit into all the criterias that are affiliated with an alien. They are man. They are mortals. They are worms. They worship supposed gods. They are imperfect. That is as close as you are ever going to get to an alien @remy94. Kaiyo only considers Darkseid a god after Darkseid stole the powers of some supposed gods. Just because you are considered a god, does not mean you are a god. Show me where in the comic that it says Darkseid is a god before he stole the powers of some supposed gods. You won´t find it anywhere because Darkseid´s origin is of an alien, not of a god. As for your Yuga Khan is Darkseid´s father argument, I have already debunked that argument using facts. I don´t feel like repeating myself, so please, just read what I said. Darkseid being created by Yuga Khan means that you cannot say that Darkseid has a godly heritage. Being created by a god to worship them, does not make you a god. If that were true, humans would be gods as Odin created them to worship the Asgardians
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Thor Darkseid is never stated to be a god or a alien, before he took the powers of fallen gods, although the narrator of his origin story states for a fact that Darkseid is not alien, but godly in nature. The comics also state for a fact that Darkseid is the descended of Yuga Khan. But as you said to @wolfdragon123 all a character needs to be classified as a god is divine power and followers.
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not voted You are still not being clear about what a "godly heritage" is and it seems like you don't know what a god is. If you do consider monotheistic gods to be gods, then you would have to change your definition for the word. Why doesn't Mister Mxyzptlk have a godly heritage? And you still haven't explained why Thor isn't an alien. The reason I said that you cannot call humans aliens is because you originate from Earth, so humans cannot be considered aliens to you.
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Thor @remy94: Except Darkseid IS stated to be an alien before he stole the powers of some supposed gods. When did Kaiyo say that Darkseid is not an alien, but godly in nature before he stole the powers of some supposed gods? What does Darkseid being the ¨descendant¨ of Yuga Khan have to do with anything? It´s not like Darkseid was raised by Yuga Khan to be a god. Yuga Khan merely created Darkseid to worship him. That is the sole purpose of Mud Grubbers, to worship the Old Gods. Before he stole the powers of some supposed gods, Darkseid did not have power over nature, human fortunes, and was not worshiped. No matter what happens during Darkseid´s publication, Darkseid will always have the origin of an alien. End of argument. I´m done repeating everything I have already said
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Thor I have already done all that you have asked. I know that you can´t read basic proper English, but please, just try your hardest and actually read what I have said
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Thor That was intended for @wolfdragon123
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Thor Darkseid is stated to be a alien before he stole powers of fallen gods, false, Uxas is never stated to be anything other than a Mud Grubber, which is not a alien race in the slightest, just another way of saying Uxas was once a farmer. If Darkseid is indeed a alien, and not a god as all the comics say he is, then it should be pretty easy for you to provide the word alien, or a alien species. You say that the word alien doesn't need to be used, well yes it does, it would mean for a fact that Darkseid is not a god as all the comics explicitly say he is.
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Thor Shall I repeat myself again!? Okay, Darkseid is an Imperfect Mortal Mud Grubbing Man Worm (exact words from the comics). That fits all the criterias that are affiliated with aliens. The word ´alien´ isn´t used to describe Superman. Why does it have to be used to describe Darkseid. The answer is....IT DOESN´T. That is just your lame ass argument to justify that Darkseid is a god. Well news flash kid, IT SUCKS ASS. So stop using that stupid argument and find a new one that proves Darkseid is a god. Hell, even Darkseid himself said he isn´t a god
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Thor Don't get so upset just because you can't actually find a official statement that says Darkseid is not a god.
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Thor Oh really? Shall I repeat myself yet again!? Darkseid is an alien. The comic says, "In the dirt fields of the WORLD before our worlds, there was a Mud Grubber named Uxas" - Kaiyo. This proves the fact that Uxas was created an alien on an unnamed planet. The comic says, "Great Father! Hear our prayers! You blessed us with life! Do not take it from us now! We know our imperfection offends you! But we love you with all our hearts and we beg your mercy!" - Izaya and Avia. This proves my argument that Uxas, Izaya, Avia, and all the rest of there fellow alien Mud Grubbers were all created to worship there Fathers, or Old Gods (In Uxas' and Izaya's circumstance, they pray to Yuga Khan because he is their father), who gave them life. The comic says, "The Gods don't give a damn about us" - Uxas. Uxas literally says he is not a God. The comic says, "The MORTALS in their dirty fields screamed" - Kaiyo. This proves my argument that Uxas is not a god, he is a MORTAL alien. The comic says, "And stared down on the great creators and destroyers of all he knew" - Kaiyo. This proves my argument that Uxas was created by Yuga Khan to worship him. The comic says, "Little man, give me a prayer. Believe in me worm and I will give you all you desire" - Kaiyo. The Old God literally calls Uxas a little MAN (or alien) and a worm. I can't believe you have the audacity to say that I can't find a statement that says Darkseid isn't a god. Your argument is useless, just give up
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Thor None of those statements mean that Darkseid is a alien, there also isn't a statement that says Yuga Khan is Darkseid's creator. These statements say for a fact that Darkseid is a god. "We are the new GODs we could do anything, bring back those we've lost, mold everything anew" -Ixaya "But it's all worth it, after all it's not everyday you surprise a GOD" -Kaiyo "Then the god of evil died. His death throes rippled across creation" "Something terrible. An ancient, putrid force, the first to wield the torment sanction, the original god of evil" -Anapel "After a era of anguish, Zonuz fall before his equal in cruelty, his own son" (Darkseid) -Anapel "Yuga Khan the sire of evil, Father of Darkseid" -Zonuz I could easily keep going but all these statements from the comics say for a fact that Darkseid is a god, and that there is more to the story then what is just in Darkseid #1. So as I said if Darkseid is indeed a alien then it should be pretty easy for you to actually provide the word alien or a the name of his alien race, and not just your assumption. I'm never going to stop using actual facts and statements, so this debate will probably never end for me.
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Thor Galactus couldn't dodge the God Blast. An Odin Force empowered Majeston Zelia couldn't dodge it. Ego couldn't dodge it. Surtur couldn't dodge it. Ymir couldn't dodge it. Juggernaut couldn't dodge it. What makes you think Beerus can dodge it?
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Thor All those characters have something in common they are large and cannot move fast.
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Thor Most of them can teleport, but could not teleport fast enough
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Beerus All of those characters you listed are way slower than Beerus. That's why.
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Thor Teleportation is instant movement... Unless Beerus can move at plank speeds, he can't dodge it.
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Thor What are some notable speed feats of Beerus?
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Thor Nothing too impressive.
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Thor Why is Beerus winning?
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Thor Because Dragon Ball fanboys... That is all.
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Thor Because Beerus can destroy people with a single word.
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Thor The Hakai isn't a single word, and it only works on people less powerful than himself

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Komn
Thor wins!
RatnikNaSjeveru2005
Voted neutral.
SuperSomebody
Beerus wins!
Superguy251
Thor wins!
Ub
Beerus wins!
TonioCartonio
Thor wins!
AaronZeki
Thor wins!
vonKonigsberg
Beerus wins!
TashPuddle
Beerus wins!
ta
Thor wins!
Meerrahmat
Thor wins!
Pr
Beerus wins!
MS643262
Beerus wins!
RandomName123
Beerus wins!
Atemporal
Thor wins!
Chijb
Beerus wins!
Mo
Beerus wins!
P77
Beerus wins!
TH0R
Beerus wins!
SSpiderGwen
Beerus wins!
Itz_cameron19
Thor wins!
JuggarNot
Thor wins!
xtremety
Beerus wins!
ubslucky
Beerus wins!
ThorMathews
Thor wins!
Dhruv
Thor wins!
TheOne2001
Thor wins!
Sv
Beerus wins!
ManofPower
Thor wins!
RajinKabir
Beerus wins!
MrJaeger07
Thor wins!
Enternity10
Thor wins!
Mind
Thor wins!
Uzumaki_Naruto
Thor wins!
AkhilPDX
Thor wins!
kingcomics20
Beerus wins!
noc
Thor wins!
Taurus
Thor wins!
Michealdem17
Thor wins!
vcowles77
Beerus wins!
Rucag
Thor wins!
phamhungbao
Beerus wins!
ta
Beerus wins!
om
Beerus wins!
Ak
Thor wins!
Prion
Beerus wins!
DivineBeast
Beerus wins!
Mr_Incognito
Beerus wins!
Lapis_Lazuli
Beerus wins!
BlotskyA
Thor wins!
Ralkero
Beerus wins!
Jongensoden
Thor wins!
ThomasMHxDeaf
Beerus wins!
Alien_X
Beerus wins!
dog
Beerus wins!
ThanosCar
Beerus wins!
Dusk_Pikachu
Thor wins!
Dilorenzom
Thor wins!
Yatharth
Thor wins!
DevyEZ
Beerus wins!
Galagatus
Beerus wins!
FriedOnions1
Beerus wins!
Biscuit
Beerus wins!
Scarlet_Witch_Stomps
Beerus wins!
InvertedQuantumSpectrum
Beerus wins!
shaneherald
Beerus wins!
Pedrof
Beerus wins!
Laserblue
Thor wins!
Deathstroke_01
Beerus wins!
DeanDinosaur6
Beerus wins!
Mxyzptlk
Beerus wins!
arianadatio
Beerus wins!
CsBat01
Thor wins!
Ad
Beerus wins!
Xx
Beerus wins!
Mokena808
Beerus wins!
xX
Beerus wins!
ta
Beerus wins!
Atomic_lantern
Beerus wins!
Jakcj
Beerus wins!
Oblivion
Beerus wins!
LuiTheDawg
Beerus wins!
ca
Thor wins!
DanielJSantos
Thor wins!
ra
Beerus wins!