Team Luke Skywalker
-vs-
Team Amazo

Created by: LordTracer

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soratoumiga
104 days ago
soratoumiga
Team Battle
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Unless I'm missing something Dormammu solos
Amirvel
186 days ago
Amirvel
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Amazo

Oh I didn't see who got the vote first. Did any of you see?
3+ years member.
Not voted yet

LordTracer has more votes so I'm fine with him moving on
Amirvel
186 days ago
Amirvel
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1+ years member.
Voted: Team Amazo

Yeah..
Amirvel
186 days ago
Amirvel
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Amazo

Congrats to both of you. It was an amazing debate
Voted: Team Amazo

Damn, I built my entire team to combat Amazo. πŸ˜‚
3+ years member.
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Lol tbh I think the only character on your team that would give Amazo trouble is Anti-Monitor though. He would copy and over power Ardina, Goku, and Blue Marvel. And I don't think Deadman and Black Flash can affect him since he is an Android and not a real person. You still have a really good team though, especially with Black Flash and Anti-Monitor.
Voted: Team Amazo

Yeah, I was hoping that black flash could just kill him with a touch, I knew deadman couldn't do anything to him because he has no soul, but black flash was still iffy. And thank youπŸ‘
Durge1
187 days ago
Durge1
Team Battle
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Tough.
Amirvel
187 days ago
Amirvel
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Amazo

@wolfdragon123 and @LordTracer I think it's fair to say that the next vote will decide which of you will pass to the next level (excluding your votes ofcourse) what do you think?
3+ years member.
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I'm fine with that. First person to 8 votes moves on.
LordTracer
187 days ago
LordTracer
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1+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Agreed.
wolfdragon123
187 days ago
wolfdragon123
Team Battle
3+ years member.
Not voted yet

Wow! Extremely close battle! @LordTracer, regardless of what the outcome is, I have to say that it has been an honor to have gone up against you πŸ˜€
LordTracer
187 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

You too, @wolfdragon123. You are quite the good debater.
TheNemianLion
188 days ago
TheNemianLion
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1+ years member.
Voted: Team Amazo

Luke Skywalker VS Amazo*
Hal Jordan VS Doctor Fate*
X-23 VS Swamp Thing*
Doctor Strange VS Doomsday*
Dormammu* VS Ben 10
Superboy Prime* VS Captain Marvel
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Dormammu* VS Doctor Fate
Superboy Prime VS Doomsday, Swamp Thing and Amazo*
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Dormammu VS Doomsday, Swamp Thing and Amazo*
SirSpidey
187 days ago
SirSpidey
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2+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Or Dormammu kills them within one attack
Amirvel
188 days ago
Amirvel
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1+ years member.
Voted: Team Amazo

Because while dormammu so definitely very powerful cland can take the whole team by himself after Amazo copies his powers he alone will give dormammu enough troubles. With the help of Hal they can defeat Amazo but it still leaves swampthing while doctor strange is fighting fate. Swampthing vs tired dormammu is what not sure about and I can still be convinced either way but since dormammu so very tired form fight someone with his powers and many others I think swampthing will win. After strange he beats fate he'll also be tired and be beaten by swampthing
Amirvel
188 days ago
Amirvel
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1+ years member.
Voted: Team Amazo

Maybe dormammu doesn't even need Hal to beat Amazo but then he'll be even more tired
SirSpidey
187 days ago
SirSpidey
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2+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Or Dormammu kills them all within one attack before Amazo can do anything
Amirvel
188 days ago
Amirvel
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1+ years member.
Voted: Team Amazo

Not everyone who plays voted yet and it's really close so we need your votes
SirSpidey
188 days ago
SirSpidey
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Why did you vote for Team Amazo?
IMABATMAN42
192 days ago
IMABATMAN42
Team Battle
Voted: Team Amazo

Amazo is really powerful, and he alone will give the entire team trouble, after copying Dormammu and everybody else's powers he can probably solo.
SirSpidey
192 days ago
SirSpidey
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2+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

@wolfdragon123: Do you have an argument to suggest that Dormammu couldn't just kill your entire team within one attack?
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The only characters that could possibly be "killed" by Dormammu with a single attack is maybe Doomsday and Ben (if he hasn't turned into Ghost Freak yet). Swamp Thing will survive no matter what (because there will always be plant life somewhere in the multiverse). Amazo and Carol are too fast and can absorb magical energy. Fate could also just absorb any magical attack that Dormammu makes and redirect it (https://m.imgur.com/kW8zlhx), teleport out of the way to dodge it (https://m.imgur.com/a/wMuIH), or open up a portal in front of him to send the blast to another dimension (https://m.imgur.com/SKbKw1q).
LordTracer
192 days ago
LordTracer
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1+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Doctor Fate isn't strong enough to redirect anything Dormammu throws at him. And Dormy could just BFR Amazo, Swamp Thing or anyone who gives him trouble. Same with Doctor Strange.
LordTracer
192 days ago
LordTracer
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1+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

And Spidey brings up a good point. Dormammu was able to harm Eternity. He could one-shot quite a few people, if not all of them (except Swamp Thing, of course).
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The most powerful sorcerer in DC (and probably all of comics) is surely strong enough to take magical attacks from Dormammu. And he doesn't even have to redirect the attacks, he can just send them to a different dimension or evade them by teleporting. BFR is also not a way to win. Even if Dormammu tried that, Amazo and Swamp Thing can travel through dimensions.
3+ years member.
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As I said before, Doomsday and Ben (if he is not Ghost Freak) are the only ones that could get one-shoted. Everyone else is too fast or too powerful.
LordTracer
192 days ago
LordTracer
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1+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Question about Amazo. If Superman could depower him by saying the JLA was disbanded, couldn't Hal do the same?
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The only reason that worked that one time was because T.O. Morrow assigned Amazo to defeat the "Justice League," and since Superman (the leader of the Justice League) said that they were disbanded, Amazo had nothing to do, so he powered down.
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So no, Hal couldn't do that because he isn't the leader of the Justice League and after T.O. Morrow died, Amazo became his own man and doesn't take orders from anyone else.
SirSpidey
192 days ago
SirSpidey
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2+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

@wolfdragon123: Doctor Fate and Doctor Strange are on the same power level respectively. Dormammu not only easily defeats Doctor Strange on every occasion, but also the entire Avengers and the Defenders roster. You have to take into account that Dormammu can destroy the entire freaking Universe if he really wanted to and in Defenders Volume 3 #2 and #3, Dormammu destroys Eternity who is nigh-omnipotent and can manipulate time, space, matter, energy, magic, and reality for literally any purpose. Sorry, but none of your characters are on the same level as Eternity meaning they are all defenseless against Dormammu
SirSpidey
192 days ago
SirSpidey
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2+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Dormammu shouldn't of been a character that any of us could have picked. If @Amirvel wasn't so ignorant, this problem wouldn't be existent. It really is unfair to have Dormammu on your team
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I looked at the comic, and they don't really show how they defeated Eternity. Dormammu and Umar visit Eternity at the end of #2 and he's already defeated by the beginning of #3. I'm not sure what he could really do that would be able hit someone as fast as the Flash and someone that can open defensive portals to block any attack at Dormammu makes. And someone with the knowledge and experience of a billion year old being can surely hold his own against Dormammu.
SirSpidey
191 days ago
SirSpidey
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2+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Yeah, no. None of your characters are even close to the power of Eternity. They have zero chance
3+ years member.
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Killing Eternity was just bad writing. What is Dormammu going to do to kill my team?
SirSpidey
191 days ago
SirSpidey
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2+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Bad writing or not, it was canon. Dormammu will kill your team just like he killed Eternity
3+ years member.
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How did he kill Eternity?
SirSpidey
191 days ago
SirSpidey
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2+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

How would I know, the comic doesn't show it? All I know is that Dormammu is powerful enough to kill Eternity and that is all that should matter
Amirvel
192 days ago
Amirvel
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Amazo

Ok I'm convinced about Amazo easily taking out Luke and superboy prime. Also about strange beating fate, dormammu beating captain marvel Ben and doomsday. And swampthing beating x-23. Now we have Amazo and swampthing vs Hal strange and dormammu. And I think that @wolfdragon123's explanation for why Amazo beats Hal and strange but it still lives dormammu, on the other hand the examples that @LordTracer brings of Hal beating Amazo are nice but i don't really know the situation so I can't judge based on that... Right now I'm leaning towards voting for @wolfdragon123 but both of you can still convince me to vote for you
LordTracer
192 days ago
LordTracer
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1+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Dormammu v. Doomsday, Ben 10 and Captain Marvel.
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Dormammu is so powerful that an attack from him was disintegrating Eternity.
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I doubt I need anything else to show that he would easily defeat those three.
LordTracer
192 days ago
LordTracer
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1+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Doctor Strange would stalemate or defeat Doctor Fate because while Fate needed the help of the Spectre to keep a universe from collapsing:
https://m.imgur.com/1lyoiJT
While Doctor Strange was able to fight evenly with Dormammu for a time. Keep in mind this was in the Dark Dimension, where Dormammu is nigh-omnipotent.
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And he was able to fight with Baron Mordo, who was amped by Dormammu.
https://m.imgur.com/a/lrTSa
LordTracer
192 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Hal and Wolverine would be able to destroy Amazo in a numerous amount of ways. First being Hal's sheer willpower.
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Hal was able to kill Krona, who had the power of all emotional entities at his disposal, with a blast of energy from his ring. Killing Krona was something the other Guardians of the Universe had thought to be impossible.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/36774/2822350-1906218_bring_it_down003.jpg
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His fight with Sinestro bent reality.
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Makes a blast as hot as the Sun.
https://m.imgur.com/Pe7wp3X
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He accidentally destroyed a planet.
https://m.imgur.com/vEBci37
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Broke the jaw of Black Lantern Spectre.
https://m.imgur.com/5SKLeXi
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Escapes Black Lantern Spectre.
https://m.imgur.com/a/n3edI
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Is able to briefly fight against Larfleeze, one of the most powerful Lanterns.
https://m.imgur.com/a/o4QLV
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Defeats a monster that was absorbing Lantern energy.
https://m.imgur.com/a/91Eax
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Harms Captain Atom.
https://m.imgur.com/5OVSycS
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Vaporizes a Kryptonian.
https://m.imgur.com/YGNxnUF
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Blitzes Superman.
https://aminoapps.com/c/comics/page/blog/hal-jordan-respect-thread-2/NxiM_ua3M1NoL4e8nM4xNdx4jjd7Dj#media-c99b305a
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Pokes holes in Mongul II
https://aminoapps.com/c/comics/page/blog/hal-jordan-respect-thread-2/NxiM_ua3M1NoL4e8nM4xNdx4jjd7Dj#media-971ed982
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Defeats several Red Tornado like androids.
https://aminoapps.com/c/comics/page/blog/hal-jordan-respect-thread-2/NxiM_ua3M1NoL4e8nM4xNdx4jjd7Dj#media-5531060e
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Destroys the mind-controlling Manhunters.
https://aminoapps.com/c/comics/page/blog/hal-jordan-respect-thread-2/NxiM_ua3M1NoL4e8nM4xNdx4jjd7Dj#media-0d621c85
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And finally, one-shots Amazo.
https://m.imgur.com/WirSG4t
Amirvel
192 days ago
Amirvel
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1+ years member.
Voted: Team Amazo

@LordTracer and @wolfdragon133 both of you said who will beat who but I don't get any explanation for how
Amirvel
192 days ago
Amirvel
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Amazo

@wolfdragon123 gives a vague explanation which is better than nothing but I still don't know why it's true
SirSpidey
192 days ago
SirSpidey
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

How about you do some explanation as to why you kicked me out of the game after Pre-Game and not criticize other people's explanations
LordTracer
192 days ago
LordTracer
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1+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

With the information gained during prep time, Team I would know that Amazo, Fate, Doomsday and Swamp Thing are the biggest threats. Amazo would attempt to blitz, but Hal would be able to catch him before he can kill anybody. Wolverine would assist Hal in destroying Amazo while Doctor Strange and Doctor Fate fight. Eventually, the two would either stalemate, or Strange would win. Dormammu would easily defeat Doomsday, Ben and Captain Marvel. Afterwards, Team I (excluding Wolverine, who would be defeated fighting Amazo) would attack Swamp Thing and defeat him.
LordTracer
192 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Hal is able to catch Amazo since he can keep up with the Flash...
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/93477/2097249-greenlantern13_13.jpg
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And catch/tag speedsters:
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And GLs can travel to the edge of the universe in ten hours:
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/5/50/GL_speed.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170223005548
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And Kyle Rayner traveled ten light years in a short amount of time.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/e/e1/KyleDriving.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20161230161655
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/5/50/KyleDriving2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20161230161723
wolfdragon123
192 days ago
wolfdragon123
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3+ years member.
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OK, so since both teams are going to know know the basic information about their opponents, they will know who the biggest threats are. Because of this, Amazo will know to copy everyone's powers then instantly use Flash's speed to speed blitz Doctor Strange, Superboy-prime, Hal, and Luke with Zauriel/Michael's Sword (which can cut through anything). This should quickly take them all out of the battle. Swamp Thing can then engulf X-23 with vines and plants which would suffocate her. Fate and Amazo are could then tag team Dormammu.
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Alright, I'll try to be more specific about how my team would win. The fight begins and Amazo scans everyone and copies their powers. He then summons all equipment at his disposal: Green Lantern's ring, Wonder Woman's weapons and armor, Steel's Armor, Michael's Sword, etc. Then using Flash's speed, he charges at the opposing team. I guess Hal could try to stop Amazo, but what can Hal really do to stop someone with Superman's durability, Wonder Woman's armor, Plastic Man's damage absorption, Martian Manhunter's shape-shifting and intangibility, and even a Green Lantern ring of his own. All feats that @LordTracer has listed for Hal can also go for Amazo because as long as Amazo observes Hal becoming more powerful with the use of his willpower, Amazo also gets more powerful (at least with his Green Lantern ring). So if Hal trys to stop Amazo, there really isn't anything that he can do that would hurt him.
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All it would take to kill Hal is a swing from Michael's sword, a stab from Aquaman's trdent, Martian Manhunter's telekinetic abilities to remove the ring from Hal's finger, Martian Manhunter's telepathic powers to brain blast Hal into a catatonic state, brute force from Superman's strength and Flash's speed, and the list goes on.
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After Hal is dead, Amazo could move on and kill the rest of the opponents. Using any of the same methods he used on Hal, Amazo could quickly kill Doctor Strange using Flash's speed. Strange is powerful, but he is still just a human and could not possibly react fast enough to stop something that is moving at hundreds of times the speed of light.
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Same goes for Luke and X-23. Amazo could just chop all their heads off and they would never know what hit them.
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X-23 would probably still survive that, so Swamp Thing could take over and suffocate her by burying her alive with plants and vines. She may be able to heal, but she still needs to breath.
3+ years member.
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This leaves Superboy-Prime and Dormammu. Ben could turn into Ghost Freak and just possess Superboy-Prime to use against Dormammu. And believe it or not, Carol can actually absorb magical energy, so that will help keep her and Amazo (since he has her powers too) safe (https://imgur.com/a/iGDNp). So now we have Amazo, Doctor Fate, Doomsday, Swamp Thing, Captain Marvel, and Superboy-Prime against Dormammu. With nonstop energy blasts from different dirrections by Carol and Superboy-Prime, Dormammu will begin to become disorientated and frazzled. Swamp Thing could also try to summon as many vines as possible to hold down Dormammu (http://i.imgur.com/wCeCQ9C.jpg), or become huge to restrain/ fight Dormammu (https://imgur.com/8G3vjBe). Dormammu, being an evil being, should also be very weak to holy weapons, so Michael's sword should be super effective against him when used in combination with Superman's strength and Flash's speed by Amazo. Fate is already powerful enough to take down Dormammu on his own, but all of this will make it much, much easier. Similar to Michael's sword, Fate is a lord of order, so his magic should also be super effective on an evil and chaotic being like Dormammu. In the end, Dormammu will surely be taken down with one final magic blast from Fate.
Amirvel
193 days ago
Amirvel
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Amazo

Does Ben have master-control?
3+ years member.
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I think only to the point where he had it in the original series (he doesn't time out and he can switch aliens whenever he wants, but he doesn't get access to all 10,000+ aliens)
Amirvel
193 days ago
Amirvel
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Amazo

Ok
wolfdragon123
193 days ago
wolfdragon123
Team Battle
3+ years member.
Not voted yet

@Amirvel yes
3+ years member.
Not voted yet

Sorry, forgot to press reply
Amirvel
193 days ago
Amirvel
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Amazo

Thanks
TheSuspect666
193 days ago
TheSuspect666
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Amazo Ben and Dr Fate combine their powers and they will defeat Strange and Dormammu
Doomsday defeat X23 Swamp Thing and Carol defeat Superboy and Luke 😁 (probably)
TheSuspect666
193 days ago
TheSuspect666
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

i dont know how they kill Swamp Thing
wolfdragon123
193 days ago
wolfdragon123
Team Battle
3+ years member.
Not voted yet

Wow, I just realized that there is only a 1 point difference in the classes of the 2 teams
TheSuspect666
193 days ago
TheSuspect666
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Again hard choice. Did Ben have Alien X?
SirSpidey
193 days ago
SirSpidey
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

No
Amirvel
193 days ago
Amirvel
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Amazo

I'm really excited for this battle because both of you are amazing debators and I think this fight can absolutely go either way so I'm only gonna vote based on your debate
SirSpidey
193 days ago
SirSpidey
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Ya, if @wolfdragon123 can convince me that his team could win, I'll change my vote
Amirvel
193 days ago
Amirvel
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Amazo

Fair enough
SirSpidey
193 days ago
SirSpidey
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Ya, something you should learn
Amirvel
193 days ago
Amirvel
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Amazo

Who ever voted you shouldnt have done that yet
SirSpidey
193 days ago
SirSpidey
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

No where in your rules does it say that
SirSpidey
193 days ago
SirSpidey
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

The combined power of Doctor Strange and Dormammu are too much
SirSpidey
193 days ago
SirSpidey
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Plus, I'm assuming Luke Skywalker has Battle Meditation which would give his team the morale advantage
Amirvel
193 days ago
Amirvel
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Amazo

Oh hey, doesn't really matter that you voted it's just that I thought it was better if people hear the arguments before they vote and not vote based only on their own opinion
SirSpidey
193 days ago
SirSpidey
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

As I said, I will change my vote if @wolfdragon123 can convince me that his team could win
SirSpidey
192 days ago
SirSpidey
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Hell, even Bail Organa, Anakin Skywalker, Darth Sidious, and Luke Skywalker himself said Yoda is the most powerful
LordTracer
193 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Okay, now that I have @wolfdragon123's team correct:
- 1 week prep time
- Victory by death or incapacitation
- Luke Skywalker is at his EU power level
- Hal Jordan and Doctor Fate are composites of Pre and Post-Crisis, Pre-52, New 52 and Rebirth
- Doctor Strange is a composite of classic and current Strange
- Amazo has the powers of Superman, Flash, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, and Aquaman
- Ben 10 has all aliens from the original series
- Captain Marvel can transform into Binary
- Fight takes place in the abandoned Valley of the Dark Lords on Korriban
Amirvel
193 days ago
Amirvel
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Amazo

What do you mean by composite of different versions?
LordTracer
193 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

All feats from those versions are allowed.
Amirvel
193 days ago
Amirvel
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Amazo

πŸ‘
3+ years member.
Not voted yet

Alright, sorry for the delay. 2 questions:
What sort of information do you think they should get about the other team during their prep time? And isn't extended universe Luke basically a God?
LordTracer
193 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

I was thinking they only get to learn who they're fighting, what their powers are and how to counter them. They can't get any extra items or anything.
And EU Luke is incredibly powerful, but he's not a god. I'd say the very most Luke could destroy is two galaxies, maybe three.
SirSpidey
193 days ago
SirSpidey
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

When has Luke Skywalker ever destroyed even one Galaxy?
LordTracer
193 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

It's mainly speculation and power-scaling on my part. Luke is more powerful than Darth Sidious and Emperor Valkorion, both of whom could destroy multiple solar systems.
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Alright, would you be okay with extending Amazo's powers to those he got in JLA #27? http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/JLA-1997/Issue-27?id=39288
SirSpidey
193 days ago
SirSpidey
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Since when is Luke Skywalker more powerful than Darth Sidious? Also, since when has Darth Sidious destroyed multiple solar systems
LordTracer
193 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Since Legacy of the Force. Luke is frequently noted as the most powerful non-abstract Force user. And Sidious could destroy solar systems with a Force storm.
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So is that okay with you?
SirSpidey
193 days ago
SirSpidey
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2+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Which Legacy of The Force book does Luke Skywalker become more powerful than Darth Sidious? Being stated as being the most powerful Force user doesn't really mean much when you have Yoda who is stated as being the most powerful Force user in history. Scratch that, Yoda is stated as being the most powerful JEDI in Star Wars hisory. Lol, Force Storms at their very best can merely ravage the surfaces of planets. Where did you get that Force Storms destroy Solar Systems?
LordTracer
193 days ago
LordTracer
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1+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

@wolfdragon123, it's fine for Amazo to have those powers, except for the powers from the second group of members that showed up.
@SirSpidey, actually, Luke is stated to be the most powerful Jedi in history during the EU. If you can control it long enough, you could destroy a solar system or more. It's a rift in the universe itself. And Luke has already surpassed Sidious by the beginning of Legacy of the Force. And with Luke being more powerful than Sidious or Valkorion, he can surpass what they've done, such as Valkorion destroying a galaxy with the Nathemic Ritual and Sidious causing the balance of the entire Force to shift. Luke was also able to harm Abeloth, a being "twelve times more powerful than him" with his Force attacks.
Amirvel
193 days ago
Amirvel
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Voted: Team Amazo

@LordTracer or @wolfdragon123 can one of you put a list of superheros that Amazo has their powers
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In the comic, the first group included:
Batman, Superman, Flash, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman, Atom, Zauriel, Plastic Man, Huntress, and Steel
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The second ground added:
Captain Atom, Firestorm, Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, Creeper, Animal Man, Black Lightning, Lightray, Power Girl, Ray, Obsidian, Fire, Mister Miracle, and Elongated Man
Amirvel
193 days ago
Amirvel
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Amazo

And in your battle he only has the powers of the first group right?
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And I'm assuming that Doomsday, Swamp Thing, and Superboy-Prime are also composites of pre/post crisis, pre/post New 52, and Rebirth?
SirSpidey
192 days ago
SirSpidey
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2+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

@LordTracer: So I guess they are the most powerful Jedi's in their respective time eras. Never has a Force Storm destroyed even a planet. Saying it would destroy a Solar System is absolutely absurd. Did Luke Skywalker defeat Darth Sidious? No. At the very most Luke Skywalker is on the same level as Darth Sidious, just as Yoda is. All Vitiate did when doing the Nathemic Ritual was destroy some planets, not an entire Galaxy. And yes, it is a prolonged ritual meaning he can't do it on the spot. He also needs the power of nearly 8,000 Sith Lords to accomplih this feat so Vitiate cannot duplicate it. Well duh Luke Skywalker can hurt Abeloth, a freaking Republic clone can hurt her
LordTracer
192 days ago
LordTracer
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1+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

@SirSpidey In Shadow of Revan, he destroyed a galaxy with the Ritual. And Abeloth is a Force entity. Saying a clone could hurt her is like saying Black Widow could harm Galactus.
@wolfdragon123 Yes, all of the DC characters are composites of Pre/PostC, Pre/Post 52 and Rebirth.
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Alright, I think that's about it. I'm ready to begin the debate if you are.
LordTracer
192 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Sure. You can start if you want.
SirSpidey
192 days ago
SirSpidey
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

I honestly don't care about all of that. All I know is that Luke Skywalker has never been capable of destroying a Solar System. He hasn't even been capable of destroying a planet. He, at his very best, is on the same level of Yoda and Darth Sidious
LordTracer
192 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Are you serious? It's been said numerous times that Luke is the most powerful. If you don't believe that, that's your problem. But it's the truth.
SirSpidey
192 days ago
SirSpidey
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Listen you ignoramus, Yoda is also stated as being the most powerful. If you don't like that reality, that is your problem, not mine
SirSpidey
192 days ago
SirSpidey
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Listen you ignoramus, Yoda is also stated as being the most powerful. If you don't like that reality, that is your problem, not mine
SirSpidey
192 days ago
SirSpidey
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Hell, even Bail Organa, Anakin Skywalker, Darth Sidious, and Luke Skywalker himself said Yoda is the most powerful
LordTracer
192 days ago
LordTracer
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1+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Yeah, all those people didn't get to see Luke in his prime. And when Luke said that Yoda was the most powerful, it was in the Rebellion era, three eras before his prime. And that statement wasn't even true, because Darth Sidious is more powerful than Yoda. Valkorion is too. And Darth Plagueis is so close to Yoda in power, they might as well be considered equals.
SirSpidey
192 days ago
SirSpidey
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Geez dude, you are so ignorant it is actually hurting my brain. Actually know something before you spout off idiotic thigs about it. Because Darth Sidious hasn't seen Luke Skywalker in his prime, lol. And there you go again talking talking about things that you don't know about. It was Grand Master Luke Skywalker who said Yoda is the most powerful of all time, not Rebellion era Luke Skywalker. How in the hell could Darth Sidious be more powerful than Yoda whenever they fought and stalemated each other? Explain your logic dude.
LordTracer
192 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Revenge of the Sith Darth Sidious stalemated Yoda. The resurrected Dark Empire Darth Sidious (his prime) was much more powerful than his previous incarnation.
LordTracer
192 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

And Sidious has not seen Luke in his prime. He saw Luke's Dark Empire incarnation, who is far from his prime.
SirSpidey
192 days ago
SirSpidey
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

There is zero evidence to suggest that Revenge if The Sith Darth Sidious is less powerful than Dark Empire Darth Sidious. Also, you need to take both sides into account. When in his fight with Darth Sidious, Yoda was well past his prime. Darth Sidious would have been fighting an 800+ year old Yoda
SirSpidey
192 days ago
SirSpidey
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Luke Skywalker

Dark Empire Luke Skywalker is as close as you are going to get to his prime

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