Spectre vs Living Tribunal

Aztar vs

Created by: remy94

Character 1

Character 2

26 wins (29.2%)

Spectre

Aztar

113

Powergrid

Intelligence
95
95%
Strength
100
100%
Speed
100
100%
0%
Durability
100
100%
Power
100
100%
Combat
70
70%
63 wins (70.8%)

Living Tribunal

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134

Powergrid

Intelligence
100
100%
Strength
100
100%
Speed
100
100%
0%
Durability
100
100%
Power
100
100%
Combat
30
30%

Comments

1+ years member.
Voted: Living Tribunal

The Spectre can get all the power he wants from the Presence, but he's not beating the Living Tribunal. The Tribunal transcends all duality meaning he's above Life, Death, Time, Space, Chaos, and Order. He's disabled the Infinity Gauntlet and revived conceptual beings, and is able to exist in all realities and wipe 'em out.
Voted: Living Tribunal

Living tribunal stomps
Voted: Living Tribunal

Living t (stomps)
Voted: Living Tribunal

Agreed
Voted: Spectre

@lordtracer it has been stated several times that the presence is omnipotent. grant Morrison even tweeted that the presence, the great evil beast ant the void/overvoid are the same person. the presence later states that Elaine is the omnipotent one now in the Lucifer series. and about Lucifer and michael=omnipotence in the beginning of creation the presence created me and my brother, he gave me infinite will power and made Michael all powerful but didn't give him the will power to use it. we combined created the dc multiverse. I were later given omniscience as well.
1+ years member.
Voted: Spectre

Uh huh. Sure. He's still not fully omniscient, meaning he's not omnipotent, and admitted himself that he's not omnipotent. The Writer is omnipotent. He's the only omnipotent being in DC.
Voted: Living Tribunal

Presence is way above over void. Over void is just overrated garbage
Voted: Spectre

where are you basing this not omniscient on? because you only deny everything that isn't your opinion and you don't give any proof.
1+ years member.
Voted: Spectre

Bruh, you haven't given any proof either, so don't you start acting all high and mighty. And The Presence isn't fully omniscient because HE SAID IT HIMSELF. He literally said there's things outside of his plan he doesn't know.
1+ years member.
Voted: Spectre

That is him admitting that he's not omnipotent.
Voted: Spectre

because he clearly states you know what they are to lucifer and later they share their memory's.
1+ years member.
Voted: Spectre

Okay, so they know what these forces are. That doesn't mean The Presence is omnipotent.
Voted: Spectre

then what makes you think that he isn't?
1+ years member.
Voted: Spectre

*facepalm* Because he said he wasn't. If he was "shaped by forces external," then there are beings above him, meaning he's not omnipotent.
Voted: Spectre

he also states that he is infinite and eternal...
1+ years member.
Voted: Spectre

And then he immediately after says that he was shaped by forces external to him. He can't be omnipotent if there are forces beyond him.
Voted: Spectre

I change my answer the presence as a consciousness is not omnipotent but god: the source, the void, the overvoid, the voice, the presence and the hand is omnipotent.
God: https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjpiIXB1tngAhUFmbQKHTX_ClEQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fplus.google.com%2F%2BLordLuciferMorningstar%2Fposts%2F3gsouS7EwwB&psig=AOvVaw0y6HG6t7P_7VlKJxe6sUKi&ust=1551280008743629
1+ years member.
Voted: Living Tribunal

Hard battle Living tribunal takes it.
Voted: Spectre

how is the lt outerversal when he's scared dog **** of the beyonder?
1+ years member.
Voted: Spectre

And being scared of The Beyonder, another outerversal being, prevents The LT from being outerversal how? Anyways, he's outerversal because he is not only beyond the Marvel multiverse, an infinite-dimensional structure, all the multi-abstracts (also infinite-dimensional) are far beneath him and just parts of his being. He also transcends all concepts in creation. Tribunal is outerversal.
Voted: Spectre

@lordTracer are you aware of the event that made it uncertain if the one above all is omnipotent? while I and my brother combined still equals omnipotence.
1+ years member.
Voted: Spectre

I don't see what the events with the Above All Others has to do with this battle, but yes, I am aware of that. And no, Lucifer + Michael does not equal omnipotence. That has always just been a rumor, it was never confirmed. And The Presence isn't even omnipotent anyways, so even if their combination did equal him, it wouldn't be omnipotence.
Voted: Spectre

what do you mean a rumour? he knows what I don't, I can bend and shape reality to anyway I desire and he can create and destroy reality the only things I can't. the gods in the dc universe are stated to be omnipotent several times and no the presence is indeed not omnipotent but Elaine Belloc is.
I will come back on my opinion why the living tribunal isn't outerversal.
1+ years member.
Voted: Spectre

It was never 100% truth that Lucifer + Michael = omnipotence. It's a rumor. And Elaine Belloc isn't omnipotent either. The Writer is the only omnipotent being in DC. Not The Presence, not The Great Evil Beast, not Elaine Belloc.
Voted: Living Tribunal

LT>lucifer = Michael>Spectre
Voted: Spectre

I highly disagree since Lucifer and Michael are outerversal and the lt is hardly hyperversal/multiversal. I will kill every single version of the living tribunal with a wave of my hand.
1+ years member.
Voted: Spectre

The LT is outerversal, so...
Voted: Spectre

@lordtracer look at the link it will give you a perspective on the difference between me and my brother and those pathetic judges of the multiverse.
Voted: Living Tribunal

Living Tribunal is not outerversal
1+ years member.
Voted: Spectre

I already went over why and how he is.
Voted: Living Tribunal

Explain how he is then. 1 more time.
1+ years member.
Voted: Spectre

As quoted from my comment you could easily just scroll up and read; "Anyways, he's outerversal because he is not only beyond the Marvel multiverse, an infinite-dimensional structure, all the multi-abstracts (also infinite-dimensional) are far beneath him and just parts of his being. He also transcends all concepts in creation. Tribunal is outerversal."
1+ years member.
Voted: Living Tribunal

If Presence wants Spectre to kill Living Tribunal, he most likely will. However, Living Tribunal's normal power without any reinforcements or backup is way above Spectre's normal power level.
1+ years member.
Voted: Living Tribunal

LT>Lucifer>Michael>Spectre. Can't you guys who voted for Spectre see how the LT would win?
2+ years member.
Voted: Living Tribunal

Lucifer and Michael will destroy LT.
1+ years member.
Voted: Living Tribunal

Lucifer = Michael > LT > Spectre, actually.
1+ years member.
Voted: Spectre

When this fight starts you know for a fact when these two start fighting it would most likely lead up to The Presence Vs The One Above All.
1+ years member.
Voted: Living Tribunal

theoretically, they are the same level of power. but besides that, living tribunal wins.
1+ years member.
Voted: Living Tribunal

They're not on the same power level, what are you talking about?
Living Tribunal: High Hyperversal level
Spectre: At least Universal (struggled against the Anti monitor)
How can you say they're on the same power level?
Voted: Living Tribunal

I believe there not on the same level but anti monitor is a multiversal threat but spectre is a high multiversal to a Hyperversal threat of the presence gives him enough power
1+ years member.
Voted: Living Tribunal

THEORETICALLY. CAN U READ?
Voted: Living Tribunal

Livining tribunal is a omniversal being spectre is universal
Voted: Living Tribunal

Sorry about my chagne of mind old profile ;-)
1+ years member.
Voted: Living Tribunal

LT curbstomps.
1+ years member.
Voted: Living Tribunal

High Hyperversal>Multiversal+ right?
2+ years member.
Voted: Living Tribunal

The Living Tribunal is a higher dimensional being.
1+ years member.
Voted: Spectre

Spectre is the literal vengeance of God. He has broken the source wall.
1+ years member.
Voted: Living Tribunal

Yes, the spectre is gods vengeance... and then we have the living tribunal, who has a connection with his power to the supreme being of the Marvel universe, The one above all... the spectre doesn't stand a chance against the power of the one above all!
Voted: Living Tribunal

@Plasmaticplays Spectre has a connection to the presence, Also LT basically looks like a fly to a good when against the one-above-all... But I still think LT is above the spectre
1+ years member.
Voted: Living Tribunal

I think Spectre has connections to the Christian God
The Living Tribunal has connections to The-One-Above-All who is Jack Kirby in God form which in a comic book universe is far more powerful
2+ years member.
Voted: Living Tribunal

The Spectre is connected to the Presence, which is equal to TOAA.
2+ years member.
Voted: Spectre

Basically if the God (the Presence) desires his spirit of vengeance (Aztar) to be the victorious, then the Spectre will have access to the God's omnipotence and will eventually win.
1+ years member.
Voted: Living Tribunal

The battle you are talking about here is the presence and spectre vs the living tribunal, I only see the spectre here
1+ years member.
Voted: Spectre

Stalemate. Only voted Spectre to bring the votes closer to equal.
1+ years member.
Voted: Living Tribunal

I like your style
2+ years member.
Voted: Living Tribunal

In a battle we are assuming they would fight. Who knows or really cares why? The point of this is if they did fight, who would win?
2+ years member.
Voted: Living Tribunal

I don't know why would they even fight. If I'm not mistaking once they both combined there powers to merge marvel and DC universe and creating amalgam universe
2+ years member.
Voted: Living Tribunal

I wish Living Tribunal had his stats because if he did it would have to be at about 85-90. Living Tribunal decides the fate of every single universe in the Marvel Universe and protects them all. Literally that means he has to defend infinite realities at all times. Even the same time, infinitally. By that definition he has infinite power decided by the One Above All. In a fight with a being as powerful as The Spectre he would win because Spectre is merely the spirit of Vengeance. One of his faces is actually known as revenge or vengeance, and that is just a part of the Living Tribunal. I think he would win.
1+ years member.
Voted: Living Tribunal

The spectre has stated that LT is more powerfull than him, end of discussion
1+ years member.
Voted: Living Tribunal

The spectre has stated that LT is more powerfull than him, end of discussion
1+ years member.
Voted: Living Tribunal

Sorry that was not meant to be a reply to you
1+ years member.
Voted: Living Tribunal

wait WHEN was this. spectre NEVER said that!!!!!!!!!
2+ years member.
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