Lucifer Morningstar vs Thanos (Heart Of The Universe)

Samael vs Thanos

Created by: TheDarkLord

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18 wins (50%)

Lucifer Morningstar

Samael

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Speed
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18 wins (50%)

Thanos (Heart Of The Universe)

Thanos

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Based on 24 entries.

Strength level

Incalculable / Limit unknown

Appearence

Gender male
Race Titanian
Height 6'8 // 203 cm
Weight 985 lb // 443 kg

Comments

Voted: Lucifer Morningstar

Disrespectful match, Lucifer without wings is enough.
Voted: Lucifer Morningstar

Agreed
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Voted: Lucifer Morningstar

Lucifer claps this universal threat.
Voted: Lucifer Morningstar

Agreed
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Voted: Lucifer Morningstar

He is not only universal.
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Voted: Lucifer Morningstar

Yes, he is, the current retconed, non-canon version is only universal. Now, you can argue that it could go higher due to VSBW or other sites' scaling, but it only affected one alternate reality, not the entire Marvel Multiverse. I already explained why on Discord.
Voted: Lucifer Morningstar

@Lordtracer lucifer still wins if hes not universal or if he is
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Voted: Lucifer Morningstar

If it was only universal, it would be on the Skyfather level. So no. And considering that THOTU is not only made by TOAA and it absorbed The Living Tribunal, it is far more than universal.
Voted: Lucifer Morningstar

So is LM
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Voted: Lucifer Morningstar

You didn't understand what I was saying. It's far above Skyfather, but not on the level people think it is. It only affected one universe/reality, I think 1410 universe, and it absorbed the universal Living Tribunal, not multiversal. It scales slightly above Infinity Gauntlet due to few statements, which puts it at multiversal+ scale within that specific universe.
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Voted: Lucifer Morningstar

The Infinity Gauntlet is infinite dimensional, I've been over this. Infinity Gauntlet > Ultimate Nullifier > Multi-Eternity. It also scales above several infinite dimensional feats, such as WF Galactus' destruction of the Negative Zone and Crossroads of Infinity, the Ultimate Nullifier also was capable of destroying the Negative Zone, The In-Betweener being able to affect all levels of reality, Classic Doctor Strange also affecting all levels of reality, WF Galactus, Scrier and Other's fight would have destroyed all of creation and Oblivion thought it would be greater than the Chaos War in scale and The Celestials, who Roma (an infinite-dimensional being) referred to as all-powerful.
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Voted: Lucifer Morningstar

Not by feats, no. And Multi-Eternity > Infinity Gauntlet, by feats. And I misspoke, I didn't mean the Gauntlet, but Eternity. It's above Eternity (even though it's a featless Eternity from an alternate reality, but let's take it as a 616 Eternity). And more than half of those things are just statements.
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Voted: Lucifer Morningstar

I just gave several feats and scaling that put the Infinity Gauntlet on the infinite-dimensional level. And "Universal" Eternity scales to those infinite-dimensional feats as well, minus the Ultimate Nullifier ones. And the fact that they're "just statements" is irrelevant, considering that you frequently use statements in your arguments.
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Voted: Lucifer Morningstar

No, I rarely do. And "universal" Eternity is multiversal+ (2-A), it can't be higher. And that's 616 Eternity. Eternity Thanos absorbed was an M-Body from a different reality, we can only assume it is 2-A.
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Voted: Lucifer Morningstar

No, you frequently do. In fact, one of your main arguments for Scarlet Witch are based is a statement of her affecting the "omniverse," which has already been disproven. And no, Eternity does not HAVE to be multiversal+, there is absolutely nothing limiting him to that. So again, he scales to those infinite-d feats. And there's no reason to assume he's not on the same level as 616 Eternity, that just seems like a flimsy argument to discount THOTU's power.
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Voted: Lucifer Morningstar

False. It's not a statement, there are a couple of scans proving she performed such feats. No one has debunked it yet, I have no idea what you're talking about. Exactly, he could be lower than multiversal+, we don't know because that abstract was featless, as well as LT and Infinity Thanos had absorbed.
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Voted: Lucifer Morningstar

There are no scans showing that she destroyed an omniverse. Because she can't. It's literally impossible. And again, there's no reason to assume he's not on the level of normal Eternity. There's nothing that implied he was weaker.
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Voted: Lucifer Morningstar

That's funny, because I'm assuming you define an "omniverse" as literally everything, including real life due to that handbook, but you don't acknowledge that Oblivion is Eternity's, Death's and Infinity's equal despite it being written in a handbook as well. Pick one, and an omniverse doesn't have to be defined as such either way. Okay, let's say he is equal to 616 Eternity (despite it still being unproven, but okay), how does that put him above Lucifer? And before the retcon Thanos W/ HOTU DID indeed absorb the multiversal Living Tribunal, and even then I think Lucifer slightly has the edge.
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Voted: Lucifer Morningstar

Oblivion used to be equal to those three, I acknowledge that. Except the problem is that it was very clearly retconned, considering that Mikaboshi, a part of Oblivion, was equal to Mutli-Eternity. And it's not that there's no reason to assume he's equal to normal Eternity, there's no reason to NOT assume he's equal to normal Eternity. And Lucifer wins, I just forgot to change my vote.
Voted: Lucifer Morningstar

Oblivon>Eternity imo
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Voted: Thanos (Heart Of The Universe)

Thanos with the HOTU is the closest thing to TOAA, even surpassing the Beyonder. Only the Fulcrum is stronger and that's because he's an aspect of TOAA. Thanos absorbs and kills Lucifer just like Living Tribunal.
Voted: Lucifer Morningstar

Wtf nooo, Lucifer >= Michael > HOTU
Voted: Lucifer Morningstar

Lucifer godstomps
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Voted: Lucifer Morningstar

HOTU Thanos beat Living Tribunal, and Lucifer can do the same, only Lucifer has better feats.
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Voted: Thanos (Heart Of The Universe)

There's no way that he has better feats.
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Voted: Lucifer Morningstar

He has absolutely better feats. And more of them. Thanos has like 2.
Voted: Lucifer Morningstar

Lucifer win
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Voted: Thanos (Heart Of The Universe)

No, Thanos win.
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Voted: Thanos (Heart Of The Universe)

Thanos HOTU > Living Tribunal > Lucifer
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Voted: Thanos (Heart Of The Universe)

Thanos HOTU > Lucifer > Living Tribunal
Voted: Lucifer Morningstar

Lucifer Morningstar>>> PRB >>> both
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Voted: Lucifer Morningstar

Lucifer - outerversal
Thanos with HOTU - high hyperversal
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I think Lucifer wins
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Voted: Lucifer Morningstar

Kind of. Maybe steltmate?
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Voted: Thanos (Heart Of The Universe)

Nah. Thanos wins. He's near equal to TOAA. Lucifer is not even close.
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Voted: Thanos (Heart Of The Universe)

Thanos absorbs Lucifer into him just like he did with the LT, eternity, and infinity.