Lord Devastator vs Lionman

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Created by: TheSuspect666

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Sorry to interject. @LordTracer what level would you compare Lord Devastator to a Marvel/DC character? Same with Lionman @TheNemianLion?
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Voted: Lord Devastator

Current Devastator is high multiversal, so I'd say he's about the level of True Darkseid, but below beings like Spectre and Anti-Monitor. I'd say he could probably hurt them though.
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Ok thanks for the input mate. Is he your most powerful OC?
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Voted: Lord Devastator

No. Out of the ones on this site, King Ares is the strongest.
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Ok cool I'm trying to make sure to get all the info I can get about all of the OC's to fully understand the Varsoverse comics.
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Voted: Lionman

Standard Lionman - Enraged Hulk
Primal 1 Lionman - Starving Galactus
Primal 2 Lionman - Superman base full power
Primal 3 Lionman - Moderately Fed Galactus
Primal 4 Lionman - Fully Fed Galactus
Pyro Lion - King Thanos
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Ok thanks Nemian loving the different forms of power. Thanks again guys.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

As for Devastator's other forms
1. Season 1 - Somewhat weaker than Thor and Hulk
2. Seasons 6 & 8 - Stronger than Dormammu
3. Season 9 - Below True Darkseid/True Ares
4. Berserker Rage - Comparable to Spectre
5. Genesis Gauntlet - Above Pre-Retcon Beyonder
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Could you explain the seasons to me?
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Voted: Lord Devastator

I divided my comic series into Seasons, Volumes and Issues. Seasons a compilation of story arcs that lead to one big arc, Volumes are the stories themselves, and Issues are the parts of the stories.
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Oh okay thank you.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

@TheNemianLion If these two just met, and didn't try to fight, how do you think it would go?
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Voted: Lionman

Probably just talk about Heartstone, what they have in common?
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Voted: Lionman

Also, I wrote out Lionman VS Heartstone in the Varosverse War
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Voted: Lord Devastator

Yeah, I already read it.
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Voted: Lionman

Thoughts?
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Voted: Lord Devastator

I like it. I have a small criticism about the Unholy Khreap v. Darkstone fight though. Darkstone is supposed to be this sadistic, power-crazy and egotistical goddess. You didn't really show her sadistic nature that much.
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Voted: Lionman

Aight I'll try to fix that up...
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Voted: Lord Devastator

Lord Devastor shouldn't have 100 on everything.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

He's a cosmic supergenius, his strength is on an Immeasurable level, he moves over 1000 times faster than light, he tanks attacks from multi-universal beings, and can create shields, he is a multi-universal being, and is the greatest combatant in existence. So yes, all of his stats should be 100.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

Yeah but thing is he's just a 68,
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Voted: Lord Devastator

And?
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Voted: Lord Devastator

If characters like Galactus is far above Lord Devastor that doesn't make any sense to make Lord Devastor 100 on everything. While Galactus isn't
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Voted: Lord Devastator

Galactus equals 74
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Voted: Lord Devastator

Well, there's a lot of stats on this site that are incorrect.
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Voted: Lionman

@10earthquakes Why did you vote for Devastator? Lionman was proven to be stronger.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

The stats. That's why.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

No, Lionman's strongest form was proven to be stronger than Devastator's base form.
Voted: Lord Devastator

lord devasstator can fight better
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Voted: Lionman

No he can't, Lionman is a much more skilled combatant, and that's not even close.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

How is he a better combatant?
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Voted: Lionman

Because he has over a dozen martial arts forms, including his own, which basically, a black belt in Kung Fu would lose to a yellow belt in Raion No Micchi, not to mention his senses compliment those forms, Devastator ain't a better combatant, take away all their powers, weapons, etc, base Daniel against a powerless Devastator, Daniel would tie him up in a knot.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

Devastator is a master of all Earthly fighting arts, and all Titanian fighting arts. There's also the fact that he's trained and honed his skills over millennia.
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Voted: Lionman

So there are 40 fighting styles on Earth, I'm going to guess there are another 40 on his planet, 80 altogether, quality over quantity though, Raion No Micchi is worth at least a couple dozen by itself, also, Lionman was trapped in a limbo for over a thousand years, remember? And his senses boost the styles effectiveness, so every martial art is 10x as effective, regardless of quantity, Lionman has more fighting quality.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

Lord Devastator is 7,650 years old. There's about 50 different fighting styles on Titan, and Devastator has mastered all of them. And there's his cybernetic mind which can seek out his opponent's weaknesses and find the best way to defeat his opponent.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

He's trained just as much as Lionman several times over.
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Voted: Lionman

Lionman's senses still compliment his fighting styles better, again, Raion No Micchi is better than anything Devastator has in his arsenal, and Lionman's senses don't just find weaknesses, which it can, it also finds techniques that will be most effective with combos, joint attacks, etc, he'd probably be able to make Devastator beat himself up.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

I very much doubt he could do that to Devastator. And I haven't even been mentioning his powers, which Devastator frequently ties into his fighting sequences. He could turn his arm into a blade mid attack to impale Lionman, he could spawn weapons from his body, and several other things.
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Voted: Lionman

Those powers aren't going to make him a better combatant, those arm blades just count as a weapon, while Lionman's senses buff his over all combat.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

I'm just saying, he can tie them in while he's fighting.
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Voted: Lionman

Doesn't mean that rises his combat ability, Lionman's powers do, however.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

Scanning and finding your opponent's weakness and analyzing the perfect way to disable them does count as raising your combat effectiveness.
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Voted: Lionman

Lionman's senses do that, and a lot more.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

Such as?
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Voted: Lionman

How to integrate his own fighting style into one of his enemies weaknesses, analyse pressure points, analyse which surface area has a higher or lower temperature, perceive multiple different sensory or cognitive responses at once, he also has far sight or precognition in the sense that he knows how effective his attacks will be.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

I can only see pressure points working. And the only one of Devastator's weaknesses Lionman could really take advantage of is Devastator's tunnel vision, which only happens when he gets overly pissed off.
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Voted: Lionman

Chances are he's going to piss him off.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

Eh, I doubt that. There's only two ways to piss off Devastator.
1. Insulting his sister, or Heartstone
2. Talking about the one time he lost a battle
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Voted: Lionman

Or about the times he's slept with Heartstone?
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Voted: Lord Devastator

He wouldn't actually care. Lionman mentions that, Devastator would just be like. "At least I don't get dominated by her."
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Voted: Lionman

He wouldn't know the details! What happens in the bedroom, stays in the bedroom! Also, she would have only dominated like... 85% of the time! Lionman still has that 15% domination!
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Voted: Lord Devastator

Nah, marriage bonds overrule bedroom bonds. He'd also be like, "Eh, I've f***ed her more than you have, anyway."
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Voted: Lionman

"Sure you have, I've still had her swallow my babies through"
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Voted: Lord Devastator

"You think she hasn't done that to me as well? And She's actually had my baby."
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Voted: Lionman

lionman heals faster
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Voted: Lord Devastator

@TheNemianLion But Lord Devastator doesn't have weaknesses bro!
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Voted: Lionman

Still can't do anything to Lionman, all Lionman has to do is will that Devastator loses his powers, due to reality warping, that happens.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

He does. I just haven't added them yet.
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Voted: Lionman

Look dude, point is, user characters should be relative to the people behind the account, I'm the overall strongest user on this site therefore Lionman should be stronger.
Voted: Lord Devastator

lord devastator has evrythin 100 i gues he wins
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Voted: Lionman

But Lionman has more, and a better power set.
Voted: Lord Devastator

lord devasator has ada
Voted: Lord Devastator

lord devasator has ada
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Voted: Lionman

What is ada?
Voted: Lord Devastator

if lord devastator is dead he will come back like doomsday he wins
Voted: Lord Devastator

i mean adaption
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Voted: Lord Devastator

Devastator doesn't come back like Doomsday.
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Voted: Lionman

That doesn't matter, because Pyro Lion can just warp reality to make sure that he has no powers, thus, no adaption, no resurrections.
Voted: Lord Devastator

than why is it in his power lsit
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Voted: Lionman

It's a different kind of adaption.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

Yeah, his adaptation just allows him to transform to adapt best to his environments.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

@TheNemianLion Sorry to interrupt but MOP has the same problem with Star Storms
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Voted: Lionman

Don't get me started on Star Storms.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

But Star Storms doesn't have weaknesses bro!
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Voted: Lionman

For Christ's sake!
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Voted: Lord Devastator

@LordTracer who will win this?
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Voted: Lord Devastator

Devastator wins kinda easily.
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Voted: Lionman

Oh contrare, Lionman in his Pyro Lion form has the ability to defeat Zeus, Hades and Poseidon as he is thirty times stronger than Primal 4, and 30 times faster, that alone will help him out, he also can manipulate reality to his favour, he has complete and true reality manipulation, he could just warp the reality to make it Devastator Proof, he can erase him from existence, burn him alive with holy fire, or just use the severely amped Pyro Axe Of Nemea to chop him in half and blow him up afterwards, Axe of Nemea makes him a further 10 times stronger and faster while wielding the Axe of Nemea, making him 300x Universal, also, the Lion roar would be 3,000 times universal.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

You forget that Devastator wields his mace that gives him sixth dimensional attack potency. He is also able to disperse and combust molecules with his mace.
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Voted: Lionman

That's strictly smashing or brute force, Axe Of Nemea has that and hacking, as well as stabbing, also, Lionman duel wields his sword, 6th dimensional? Is that like Multiverse attack potency? Lionman has that too, how many universes are in his multiverse? The thing is, he can smash his hammer at someone and smash their molecules, But Lionman can cut through him and he'll just instantly blow up, not on a molecular level, but at a sub atomic level, thus he's axe is FAR more dangerous as the Pyro Lion, also, he's dozens of times more skilled than Devastator, Lionman will dance around him, not even a fair matchup in that regard, he'd now Devastator's full fight before he even moves, Devastator can't deal with that, Pyro Lion would just make the Mace lighter and change reality to make his armour and weapons basically useless, you think Thanos has good reality warping with the Infinity Gauntlet? You're dead wrong, Pyro Lion can transform reality on a complete multiversal scale, as he has half the complete power of Leonus, who is only second to Kolasius in the godly heirachy of Earth, the person above them is the Father, who is High Complex Multiversal +++, then Samuel who is Omniversal, then it's the real world God, who is infinitely stronger than Omniversal.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

6th dimensional is low complex multiversal. As for the amount of universes in the Supreme Comics multiverse, there's 100,000 universes in one multiverse. Devastator doesn't have to hit someone with the mace to disperse their molecules. He can fire a beam that will have the same effect. How can Lionman just cut through him? Devastator has stalemated Zeus and Odin, and he's taken beatings from Heartstone (not in the fun way). He's not more skilled than Devastator. The man has been conquering galaxies and planets since he was 609 (21 if he was human). He's taken down warlords, kings, superhumans, gods and more. He's murdered millions, billions, maybe trillions of people. He's taken down armies single-handedly. Devastator has precog as well, and can see the outcome of a fight before it even starts. I could go into berserker rage, but that'd probably be too much.
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Voted: Lionman

That beam does nothing if it can't connect, this will be a short range fight, Lionman will make sure of that, all his Axe needs to do is connect and his atoms start ripping apart, he'd slice through him like a hot knife on butter, and when the Axe is removed, the rest of his atoms instantly combust and are destroyed, He stalemated Zeus and Odin? Lionman in his Pyro Lion Form is more powerful than Zeus, Poseidon and Hades, each as strong as Zeus, so I don't see how Odin > Hades and Poseidon, Lionman's feat is more impressive, experience is not the same as fighting experience and skill, Lionman from the age of 21 was stuck in a limbous void fighting as a whole entire planet's warrior and saviour in a massive war, he was in limbo living the same year, year after year, until Ultravox found him, which was 2 years in the real world, Lionman still stayed the same physical age after 1,000 years, he has that experience, but he has a lot more skill in his fighting ability, all those martial arts PLUS his own, Devastator cannot compete against that, Warlord and Kings? Lionman has taken down Super villains, Alien Gods, demons, and countless over threats, Lionman would have killed trillions of people in that limbo, about the population of the enemy x1,000, he's taken down armies? So what, so has Lionman, he really just seems like a Lionman discount, you can have berserker rage, he still probably loses.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

Devastatir could slam his mace on the ground and send out an AOE attack. Short range fight works for him just fine. Lionman could try and hit him, but Devastator is just as fast, maybe even faster, than Heartstone. Devastator hasn't only taken on warlords and kings. He's slaughtered superhumans from planets across the galaxies, and he's fought the pantheon of gods. With Berserker Rage, Devastator was able to overpower Zeus and Odin firing godblasts at him at the same time. One of their singular godblasts are able to destroy a multiverse, and he overpowered them both. Berserker Rage once speedblitzed Heartstone and it caught Blitz who can run beyond time.
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Voted: Lionman

That doesn't make any difference, slamming his mace on the ground? How is he going to defend against Lionman's attacks? He's done if he goes short range, Lionman is 200,000 times faster than light and he knows every move Devastator is going to make before he does it at perfect timing, every time he wants to change his game plan, Lionman senses it, his precognition is more organic as it is instinctual, Lionman's done everything you've stated Devastator's done and more, He beat Odin and Zeus? So what, Lionman could beat Zeus, Hades and Poseidon at the same time, Lionman would physically be far too powerful, hell even if all else fails, Lionman just takes away all of Devastator's weapons, armour and powers with his top tier reality warping, Devastator has no defense against that, time wont exist in this Reality so his running beyond time means nothing.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

For one, Devastator is nigh-invulnerable. He could also create shields and force fields to block Lionman's attacks. 200,000 times faster than light is nothing. Devastator has picosecond reaction times, and can move around the same speed. How's he gonna sense someone vastly faster than him? Devastator could also just snap his fingers and turn Lionman into a chair if he wanted to.
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Voted: Lionman

Except no, he can't, because by then Lionman would have already taken away his powers, his weapons and anything that makes him a threat, in fact, he would make him in the worst state imaginable, and just instantly destroy him with a glare, you turn Pyro lion into a chair? He still is able to turn you into a raisin, but he would just take away your powers, then Devastator is completely helpless and without any chance of surviving, besides, Picosecond reactions are barely light speeds if that, how is he going to sense someone faster than him? what a dumb question, he can sense his heat signatures and where he's going to be, he'd be able to react easily, especially if Devastator has only picosecond speed reactions.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

I'm pretty sure going through the length of a universe in three picoseconds isn't barely light speed. His reaction speed would obviously have to be higher than that, or else he'd just run into everything.
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Voted: Lionman

I don't think you'd understand, Devastator wont have any speed after Lionman wills it.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

Okay, so Pyro Lion would beat Devastator. Every other Lionman would lose:
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Voted: Lionman

Yeah, because Lionman in his one form is overpowered, but Devstator in ALL his forms are overpowered, all his forms are too close together, spread them out more and nerf them, make a balanced and interesting character, not a gary stu, also, why does the man need to be stronger than Heartstone? Isn't that kind of sexist? She used to be the most powerful, than Photon, the big strong man surpassed her, now Devastator?
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Voted: Lord Devastator

He's supposed to be powerful. He's the second big-bad of Supreme Comics (until he changes sides). Devastator is Heartstone's equal. He's always her equal, unless he's using his mace or the Genesis Gauntlet. Photon is stronger because his power is given by three cosmic entities, while Heartstone got her power by earthly methods.
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Voted: Lionman

You stated he could speedblitz Heartstone though... :/
Also, I think you're putting all your focus on making your characters powerful and much less focus on making them interesting good characters, when they're that ridiculously powerful, that takes away from the readers enjoyment of the story, because they know they can just beat the other person with a flick of their fingers, it's boring, annoying and frustrating.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

With Berserker Rage he can speedblitz her. Base form Devastator can't do that. The characters are powerful, and have powerful abilities, but a lot of them don't use these abilities. Like Devastator's molecular and matter manipulator, he rarely uses that because he likes to fight against his opponents. Photon and Heartstone have several powers like time, space, reality, manipulation, but they never use them unless totally necessary.
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Voted: Lionman

Then why bother even having them in the first place? What a colossal waste of time! when you can travel a universe in 3 picoseconds, you know your character needs a nerf to maybe, 10 seconds, because that in ITSELF is insane speeds, the big bad of Marvel is Thanos, who is Multiversal AT HIS MOST POWERFUL! Lord Devastator is as strong as Thanos at his strongest with Devastator is at his weakest! Are you serious bro!?
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Voted: Lord Devastator

If every character is around the same power level, it doesn't really matter. And Thanos at his most powerful (King Thanos) is high hyperversal. Isn't Doctor Doom the big bad of Marvel, not Thanos?
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Voted: Lionman

And Marvel ruined their big bad by making him more powerful than the Living Tribunal, Doctor Doom falls under Thanos, he's number #2, and he's barely ever above Earth Crust Level, God Emperor Doom is an outliner to the character as it was a rare occurrence.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

There was also the time when he had the Cosmic Cube and Galactus' power. And the other time he had the power of The Beyonder.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

And if you think Devastator's OP, then you really don't want to know who the real big-bad is.
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Voted: Lionman

Don't you understand how stupid that is?
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Voted: Lord Devastator

If everyone's OP, it doesn't really matter.
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Voted: Lionman

No, I really don't want to know, just will be another Gary Stu, that doesn't have any of the spirit that made Heartstone great, before you started rapidly pumping her with Mary Sue juice, you don't get it do you? Original Heartstone, who at best was Multi Universal was a lot better of a character than she is now, that's just fact.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

She's multi-universal for most of her existence. She only becomes stronger than that after she becomes Darkstone. And even then, the strongest she gets is high multiversal.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

And the big-bad isn't really a Mary Sue. She has to be OP for the story to work correctly.
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Voted: Lionman

That's still too much my bro! Make normal Heart Stone Universal and Darkstone Multi Universal! You got a more well balanced character with depth and more attractive to the audience.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

But Lord Devastator doesn't have weaknesses bro!
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Voted: Lord Devastator

Heartstone is universal in season 1.
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Voted: Lionman

She should be galactic in season 1 my dude.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

Why though? Universal isn't even as strong as Superman, and she's supposed to be the Superman-type character.
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Voted: Lionman

Superman is multi universal at his HIGH END, consistently he's Multi Galactic.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

Then she's stronger than Superman, which is what I was going for when I first created her.
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Voted: Lionman

And after that, it all went down hill didn't it?
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Voted: Lord Devastator

Well, she has to get much more powerful as the series goes on. There's 10 seasons, my dude, she's gonna get more powerful.
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Voted: Lionman

Start off with Galactic, then Universal, then get to Multi Universal with Darkstone.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

There's other stages after Darkstone.
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Voted: Lionman

Make Darkstone 2 - 3 x universal, Anti Stone 4 - 6 x universal and Omnistone 6 - 12x universal
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Voted: Lord Devastator

Darkstone has to be multiversal or else the story makes no sense. If she was less than multiversal, any of the cosmic abstracts could just step in and destroy her.
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Voted: Lionman

Nerf those cosmic abstracts and the rest of your story accordingly.
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Voted: Lord Devastator

Why would I nerf the abstracts? Their avatars are just as strong as the Marvel and DC abstracts, and their true forms (which only actually do anything once) are just a few pegs above Multi-Eternity and the similar entities.
Voted: Lord Devastator

devastator can just hide an attack

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