Superman vs Flash II

Who would win a fight?

Created by: wolfdragon123

Character 1

Character 2

65 wins (47.8%)

Superman

Kal-El

28

Powergrid

Intelligence
100
100%
Strength
100
100%
Speed
100
100%
Durability
100
100%
Power
100
100%
Combat
85
85%

uSTATS

17
Intelligence
90
90%
Strength
100
100%
Speed
100
100%
Durability
100
100%
Power
100
100%
Combat
85
85%
Based on 337 entries.

Strength level

Incalculable / Limit unknown

Appearence

Gender male
Race Kryptonian
Height 6'3 // 191 cm
Weight 225 lb // 101 kg
71 wins (52.2%)

Flash II

Barry Allen

16

Powergrid

Intelligence
95
95%
Strength
50
50%
Speed
100
100%
0%
Durability
60
60%
Power
100
100%
Combat
60
60%

uSTATS

17
Intelligence
85
85%
Strength
55
55%
Speed
100
100%
0%
Durability
70
70%
Power
90
90%
Combat
70
70%
Based on 206 entries.

Strength level

10+ tons (22,000 lb)

Appearence

Gender male
Race Human
Height 6'0 // 183 cm
Weight 195 lb // 88 kg

Comments

Voted: Flash II

Wonder Woman said that Barry's infinite mass punch hurts more than Superman's punches.
Voted: Superman

In my option durability is Flash's problem Superman has a ton of it Flash does not have the same level. I do not believe Flash could hurt Superman (fast enough) pun intended. Where as Superman needs just one shot and I do think will get it
Voted: Superman

You guys keeping throw in the speed force, it's a good idea but the second flash grabs superman it's over, superman is fast enough to react to the flash's speed and break his neck. Superman is the leader of the justice league for a reason.
1+ years member.
Voted: Superman

Technically, Superman is co-leader alongside Batman. And no, Superman is not fast enough. Anytime Superman can do anything comparable to Flash, it's because he's holding back. Like Barry has said.
1+ years member.
Voted: Superman

Even if Flash was 1,000 times faster, Superman is quadrillions of times stronger, Flash doesn't hurt him, Superman just needs to get one attack in.
Voted: Flash II

Flash is not only a 1000 times faster, he is infinitly faster because he has no limits (in terms of speed) where as Superman, who to even be close to the Flash would have to build up speed, however I will admit Superman has an extreme advantage in strength.
1+ years member.
Voted: Superman

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Oh shit... Look what I found with a simple google search... Superman and Supergirl moving faster than Infinity... Spectre had to pull Superman aside to explain to him that he was reaching our real world of heaven.
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Voted: Flash II

First off, pretty sure that's not canon. Second, it took time for Superman to build up that speed. Third, that is traveling speed not combat speed.
1+ years member.
Voted: Superman

That's not how speed and acceleration works a humanoid can react faster than they can move dude, and yes it's canon, why the hell wouldn't it be? It's Pre crisis, the Pre Crisis version of Superman still exist, but he's a lot older now.
How the hell do you build up speed to infinite speed? There's no number to accelerate too, the "OOOooooh that's travel speed not combat speed" Is so annoying because that excuse only comes out of people who don't know the basic laws of physics, reaction and acceleration is different, if Superman flies that fast he can strike faster.
Voted: Flash II

Ok, well if we're looking at science, then if Superman tried to go even near that speed, not that he could he doesn't have instant acceleration, he would destroy the earth, and it's not possible for him to bring Flash to space because of that extreme speed difference, so how would he even touch him. The same thing would not happen to the flash because the speed force protects him from, you know, destroying the world with his speed on a regular basis.
2+ years member.
Voted: Flash II

Pre-Crisis is not canon to the New 52 canon. You cannot use feats from Pre-Crisis Superman when debating with New 52 Superman. That is not how it works
1+ years member.
Voted: Superman

When did I say I was debating with the New 52 Superman?
Also, Superman has an electromagnetic solar field around him to stop his energy he constantly expels from his body, to not destroy the Earth, so don't worry about Film Theories lack of comic book knowledge.
Voted: Flash II

Sorry for my poor knowledge on Superman, but even this database says that Superman keeps his speed at about Mach 10 because it could damage the Earth.
2+ years member.
Voted: Flash II

It is assumed you are unless previously specified. The version that is in this database is New 52
1+ years member.
Voted: Superman

No it's not, also, the database doesn't exactly have everything correct.
2+ years member.
Voted: Flash II

Umh, yeah it is. I don't know where you have been, but that is how we have been doing this entire time
1+ years member.
Voted: Superman

It doesn't specify anywhere on Superman's profile does it?
Voted: Flash II

Batman is the leader.
1+ years member.
Voted: Superman

The only thing flash beats superman in is only Speed, Thats it everything else Superman beats him in every other category and even when Superman flys with speed and flash is running Superman is about kind of close to the flash with speed.
Voted: Flash II

really are we really doing this there is a million ways flash will defeat him
1 throw him into the speed force
2 phase through him killing him from the inside
3 time travel
4 create duplicates of himself to fight superman
5 he could gather like a million kryptonite shards enough to make a cave of it in less than a second then finish em of
and what is superman gonna do huh nathin cuz he can't touch THE FASTEST MAN ALIVE!!!!!!!!!
so it is simple FLASH WINS!!!!!!!!!
Voted: Flash II

How could flash phase through something that can resist the strongest of bullets?!
Voted: Superman

Flash has absolutely nothing going for him except he is faster. Yet supes is fast enough to be considered a speedster. Flash is faster than EVERYONE! So if that's your basis, you're basically saying he's unbeatable.
Voted: Flash II

Superman is definitely more powerful! But how can he beat this guy?!?! He has so much speed that he could just travel back in time to kill Superman when he was first born! There done!!!!!!!! The flash would win period!
Voted: Superman

Superman was traveling back in time with his super speed before Barry started doing that. And that would be pointless. What would he do? Create an entire new timeline like in flashpoint? Barry is not going to mess with time anymore. He learned his lesson. Flash got no way of truly defeating Sups
Voted: Flash II

Flash could just vibrate his hand with kryptonite in it and go in slow motion and put the kryptonite in his heart, and then kill him
Voted: Superman

Flash doesn't have Kriptonote... depending of the amount of Kriptonite it would also prove to be useless and Flash don't kill, that would be out of character.
Voted: Flash II

flash could just throw him in the speed force
2+ years member.
Voted: Superman

Superman and the Flash are in the same boat, the writers have never specified their maximum speed, so no one can actually say one is faster then other. Yes the Flash always wins against Superman when they race, but no one ever considers the fact that Superman can't pass light speed under earth's atmosphere, this is why flash wins.
Also no one ever considers when these two actually fight in the comics Superman always comes out on top.
Voted: Flash II

NOO way mahn sups is NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WAY!!!!! close to flash speed infact there was a time in comics that sups was chasing flash to stop him from entering the speed force to do something crazy and he was like you can't get away from me barry and flash was like "those were for charity clark" then he jetted into the speed force faster than the speed of light and left sups in the dust completely lost
2+ years member.
Voted: Superman

Everyone keeps saying "Flash would win because he is faster.".... Ok, no. Flash is faster, yes. But the thing is, that is pretty much all he has going for him, and he isn't even faster by much. The thing is Superman is pretty close to Flash's speed, now add insane super strength, heat vision, flight, freeze breath, and the rest of his powers Flash doesn't even stand a chance. I keep seeing comments saying that Flash would just really fast use kryptonite, but the thing is kryptonite is the only thing that he is able to use to kill Superman, while Superman literally could kill Flash with a crayon with how strong he is. If Superman is able to land (Which he for sure can) even 1, I said even 1 good punch, Flash is out.
Voted: Flash II

what happens when flash starts phasing and makes himself intangible what then sups can't do natin but then flash can stab him with kryptonite a million times per second and he will be natin but defeated
1+ years member.
Voted: Superman

Race = Flash beats Superman
Fight = Superman beats Flash
2+ years member.
Voted: Superman

Exactly! I don't get it, everyone keeps saying that Flash will win just because he is a little bit faster. If that were the case, then Usain Bolt would beat a Navy Seal in a fight just because he is faster yet the Seal is better at everything else.
3+ years member.
Voted: Flash II

Flash is not just a little bit faster than Superman, he is infinitely faster. He can move fast enough so that Superman doesn't even see him. And his Infinity Mass Punch will be able to knock him out.
2+ years member.
Voted: Superman

@SirSpidey I do believe the comic was Superman/Batman #8-13
My argument is not that Superman is faster than the Flash, my argument is that people shouldn't say that Flash is faster because he always wins in a race against the Man of Steel, when the races are always unfair.
It is also debatable that Superman's speed is limitless, perhaps I should create a forum explaining why.
2+ years member.
Voted: Flash II

I didnt say that you are saying that Superman is faster than the Flash. I just disagree with what you said in regards to Superman being AS fast as the Flash. I would love for you to create a forum explaining why Superman has unlimited speed because so far he has not been shown moving at incalculable speeds. Also, in the comics that you gave me, not once did Superman fly to the end of the universe in seconds as you claim. Would you like to give me another comic?
3+ years member.
Voted: Flash II

Just curious, what feats of speed does Superman have?
3+ years member.
Voted: Flash II

that are comparable to Flash's speed
2+ years member.
Voted: Superman

@Wolfdragon123 Superman has traveled from Vega to earth in minutes, he's traveled from the sun to the end of the universe in seconds while carrying Darkseid along, and can phase through objects just as easily as the Flash. @SirSpidey where dose it say that Supermans speed is limited?
2+ years member.
Voted: Flash II

@remy94: As you pointed out, it took Superman MINUTES to get to Earth from Vega (Keep in note that we dont know if this is Vega as in the sun. Superman could also be in Vega, Norway or in Vega, Texas changing completely the average speed of superman in this feat to lower than light) and SECONDS to reach the end of the universe from the sun. The Flash is not limited to time as Superman is. Also, I cant find an instance where Superman has flew to the end of the universe from the sun in seconds. Could you give me the comic?
2+ years member.
Voted: Superman

I'm sorry @Lord tracer but I do not agree, in every instance that Flash is faster than Superman, he is because Clark is not going at his top speed for the reasons I said.
Voted: Flash II

are you sure you are using your head have u ever seen flash actually run haahaha it's insane flash can disarm and entire army in matter of seconds and there is high probability he won't even be seen and your talking about superman no frekin' wayhe is an inch close to flash speed the reason you say this is because u have never seen flash tense before I mean in season 1 of flash the tv series he was no where close to mach 2 but when that I think it was tsunami was gonna destroy the city he did a time loop breaking the time barrier at mach 4 or even higher
2+ years member.
Voted: Superman

In fact Superman is just as fast as the Flash. Everyone thinks because Barry Allen always wins against Superman in a race that this makes him faster, when in actuality Clark is never going at his top speed. Superman can't exceed a certain speed without causing harm to his surroundings, unlike Superman, Because of his connection to the Speed Force Flash can move at high speeds under earth's atmosphere without damaging the environment or himself. When outside of earth's atmosphere Superman has shown several times that he is just as fast as the Flash. Clark has also shown that he can perceive things faster then Barry.
1+ years member.
Voted: Superman

In just about everything, Barry is faster than Clark. And it's his connection to the Speed Force that makes him faster.
2+ years member.
Voted: Flash II

@remy94: I wouldnt go so far as to say Superman is as fast as the Flash. Superman is limited to a certain margin of how many times the speed of light he can go. The Flash has no margin or limit on how fast he can go. The Flash has infinite speed, Superman doesnt
Voted: Flash II

you keep saying that OK, coz DC already also told us that everytime supes caught up with or raced with the flash, the flash was holding back "flash rebirth "
when superman told flash that he has outran and caught him many times and Barry told him "those were for charity " and left supes to choke on his dust
Barry has better molecular control than supes, therefore can still touch and phase through supes even if supes was intangible
1+ years member.
Voted: Superman

flash can buil superfast a kryptonite cage
2+ years member.
Voted: Superman

Wow guys I can't believe this I mean heck Superman is the Man of Steel!!!!!!!!!!!
1+ years member.
Voted: Flash II

It says here that Superman's speed is equivalent to the Flash's. That makes no sense! I think the Flash would win. 😀
2+ years member.
Voted: Superman

Why do you think the Flash would win? Just because he is a little bit faster? That's like saying that Usain Bolt beats a Navy SEAL in a fight just because he is faster yet the Seal is better at everything else.
1+ years member.
Voted: Superman

Superman is almost as fast as Flash
1+ years member.
Voted: Flash II

Superman may be fast but the extreme limits of speed that the flash has exceeded too beats supermans limits by millions of miles
1+ years member.
Voted: Superman

Superman is just as fast as the Flash, although he can't move that fast under earth's atmosphere, without tearing apart his surroundings. Clark has on several occasions stopped Barry in motion because of Superman's minds ability to react at super speed.
1+ years member.
Voted: Flash II

50-50 now boys 😉
5+ years member.
Voted: Flash II

Wow.... 28-27 for the Flash. What a contest!
1+ years member.
Voted: Flash II

Superman in more intelligent than Flash? Really?!
2+ years member.
Voted: Superman

Yes, Barry has a limited (but extensive) of knowledge but all of it pertains to Earth. It is said in the comics that Superman has "Super Intelligence" or basically he remembers and understands what he learns really simply. He has learned a lot of things on Earth and learned a lot about many things of Krypton and is able to remember and re-use that knowledge.
1+ years member.
Voted: Flash II

Flash can beat Superman , he can single handedly defeat the whole justice league and Superman is nowhere near the speed of flash plus Barry Allen is the owner of speed force so flash has a big advantage here
1+ years member.
Voted: Superman

Flash may be faster but Superman can also phase through objects and attacks. Also Supermans speed does not come from the speed force therefore Flash does not have the biggest advantage on Flash. Also one hard punch, the infinity punch or a precise heat vision towards Flash from Superman will kill the Flash or at least beat him.
2+ years member.
Voted: Superman

Yes Flash is basically faster in movement, and it has been stated in the comics.
2+ years member.
Voted: Flash II

@remy94 I think superman is as fast if not faster in linear direction speed but when it comes to horizontal direction speed (Turning and adjusting) Flash is faster. Thats just what I think. Im not sure on the subject because I dont have concrete evidence.
2+ years member.
Voted: Flash II

@SUPERMAN101 Flash also can fly.
1+ years member.
Voted: Flash II

what?!!!
3+ years member.
Voted: Flash II

Because of the Speed Force and his insane speed, Flash can basically defy gravity and run through air and space (which is like flying but a lot faster)
2+ years member.
Voted: Superman

Superman can beat the flash because without Kryptonite the flash is useless. Also Superman would win because even if the flash had kryptonite well all Superman has to do is fly away the only thing Flash could do is run.
2+ years member.
Voted: Superman

Plus Superman is also a speedster almost as fast as the flash, this combined with his other amazing powers, makes him the obvious winner in this match up.
2+ years member.
Voted: Superman

Then i ofcourse i agree with you remy Superman will be the victorious versus Flash. The Flash is faster but thats it everything else goes in Supermans favor.
Superman will be the victorious !
2+ years member.
Voted: Superman

Flash maybe faster but that's where it ends Superman is better at everything.
5+ years member.
Voted: Flash II

No, flamingtayo, I am not aware of what you just said. To be honest, while I watched all 10 seasons of Smallville and the first two seasons of The Flash, I have not kept up with DC Comics for many years. For that matter, I have not read a whole lot more of Marvel Comics for quite a while, but at least more than DC. I have seen many of the Marvel films, but not all. I do appreciate your comments though. I voted for The Flash, as I followed his comics somewhat when I was a little boy and I like the tv series.
2+ years member.
Voted: Superman

That is a biased vote then... You just voted because you liked the Flash? Who do you think would actually win?
2+ years member.
Voted: Flash II

MakeMineMarvel do you remember when lex fussed with brainiac and the defeated the whole justice leauge only Flash was left and he won the battle. He said something I reasoned with, he said 'You cant hit what u cant see'. So yes flash has a chance
5+ years member.
Voted: Flash II

What a shocker here to see Flash tied with Superman at 10 votes each!

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