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Team Superman Prime One-Million

Created by: LordTracer

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LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

@Soul I've got a question for you. If Kefla were to get Super Saiyan III, do you think she would have defeated Omen Goku?
Dcfan123
179 days ago
Dcfan123
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

If she went ssj3 probably not real sure we dent see her turn into one
3+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

@Tracer, yeah she would have stomped Omen Goku, because let's say they were even in power, she would have became 4x stronger than him and would have tanked the Kame-Hame-Ha he shot at her and after that attack Goku lost all of his stamina and reverted back into base and at that point she could've casually smacked him off the edge.
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

That's kinda what I was thinking. Since it was said that SSJ2 Kefla was stronger than Omen Goku, and it was implied that she could even one-shot him (if her attacks could actually land, of course), then with the boost from SSJ2 to SSJ3, she'd be able to take him down. And she'd probably have an even bigger boost than the normal SSJ3 multiplier since she's got Kale's LSSJ form on top of that. How well do you think she would perform against Jiren?
3+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

That's difficult to say, she would put up a fight unquestionably, but would still fall as while she is powerful Jiren transcends the gods of destruction along with Mastered UI Goku and the difference in power from Omen to Mastered is greater than a 4x (could be anywhere from 10-100 maybe even a 1000x multiplier it's never actually given). So how this would be-
Omen Goku << Kefla SSJ3 < Jiren < MUI Goku.
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
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Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

Okay, I had the same thought when I was talking about this earlier. Last questions, if Kefla was able to go Super Saiyan Blue, could she beat Jiren and do you think there should be a new Arc where Goku and Vegeta go to Universe 6 and train Caulifla, Kale and Cabba?
3+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

Oh yeah, she definitely would have been able to defeat Jiren unless Mastered UI is like a 1000x multiplier or something ridiculous like that, but I believe she could beat Jiren if she achieved SSB.
I don't think so, they built up there characters a lot and are no doubt fan favorites so that is a possibility, but I don't think they'll make it a saga, maybe like a quick little mini arc, say about 5-10 episodes at the most, the only question is how they would get there, maybe they get teleported there by Whis or something like that.
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

I think it could be a full saga because on Universe 6, they could explore Planet Sadala, meet King Sadala, and maybe even find Goku and Vegeta's Universe 6 counterparts. And if they went to U6, Goku could teach Caulifla how to go SSJ3, or maybe even Blue, though that's pretty unlikely.
Dcfan123
179 days ago
Dcfan123
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

so why are there 18 in dB universe then
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
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Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

There are not only 18. There's Heaven and Hell, which are universe-sized at least, and there's other timelines like Future Trunks' timeline.
Dcfan123
179 days ago
Dcfan123
Team Battle
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Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

Dc has the samething
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
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Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

Okay? Why the hell does that matter?
Dcfan123
179 days ago
Dcfan123
Team Battle
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Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

Hevan and hell are the samething in both universes db Universe only has 18 universes dc has 52 and the infinite multiverses of earths until a crisis comes and screws with the trunks universe is basically flashpoint, the super timeline is new 52 and rebirth
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

Yeah, you have no idea what you're talking about. Heaven and Hell exist in all parts of the Dragon Ball franchise, whether that be the anime multiverse, the manga multiverse, the Toei multiverse, the Xenoverse multiverse, etc. Also, what is this bullshit you're on about Future Trunks' timeline being Flashpoint and Super being the New 52? Dragon Ball Super is just a continuation of Dragon Ball Z Kai, it's not a reboot.
Dcfan123
179 days ago
Dcfan123
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

So is rebirth dc reboot continues with rebirth there entering the doomsday clock crisis.
Plus also dc has a heaven and hell too and there is same thing just bigger
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
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Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

Okay, why is any of that relevant?
Dcfan123
179 days ago
Dcfan123
Team Battle
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Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

Dc map of the multiverse
Dcfan123
179 days ago
Dcfan123
Team Battle
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Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

Last one didn't work here's the new one https://www.dccomics.com/sites/default/files/Multiversity_Map_2400_53ee6b4c22d9a9.11031355.jpg
Dcfan123
179 days ago
Dcfan123
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

So like what I said dB universe is smaller goku fits that mold of that universe prime 1 million fits mold of dc universe
3+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

So you don't care about being wrong? The mortal universe has an infinite amount of timelines in it, and in each of those timelines is completely different, for example in the Future Trunks timeline essentially 90% of Earth's population was killed off during the Goku Black saga but everyone dead within that timeline those being characters such as Bulma, Goku, Krillin, Gohan, basically the entire Z-Fighter excluding Trunks, but within the main timeline none of those characters are dead so they are not in the heaven of the main timeline but they are in the heaven within the Future Trunks timeline so Heaven and Hell have established 4th dimensional aspects and function like a regular universe, try again.
Dcfan123
179 days ago
Dcfan123
Team Battle
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Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

Crisis on in earths it's the samething dc is just bigger
3+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

Also @Sora, if your incorrect statement was true, that means that Heaven and Hell are infinite in size and expand beyond the size of a universe infinitely so you just made the feat sound even more impressive you what you said was true, good job.
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

ONE single timeline means 1x universal+. Adding another mainstream timeline is 2x universal+. Okay, if I say those three realms are universal+, that's still only 6x universal. 18 + 6 would be 22. 22x universal wouldn't make a slight of a difference. Even if it's the same for every universe, which it is not, it would still be below the limits, for example, Thanos can reach.
3+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

@DCfan123 both of the universes are infinite in size so that means they are the same size not one is bigger than the other.
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

What on Earth are you saying? That makes zero sense. I never said it was infinite.
3+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

Except wrong, it would be 18 x 6 and even still you have not disproven that there is an infinite amount of timelines within one reality. There is all of the movies, GT, Xeno, and each of those follow the same exact thing and the main universe has more than just 2 timelines, in fact there is the main one, the one where Trunks saves the future, the one where Trunks and Krillin kill Cell before he can be created, and the timeline where Cell killed Trunks that's four right there and then you add on the movies which is 20 which is including Dragon Ball and Evolution and each one of those universes has the at least 4 Future Trunks time lines so 21 x 4 is 84 universes, you then take into account each has 3 universe sized realms in it, so 252 and then you spit that among GT and Xeno and that's 504, then you take into account how many timelines are within Xeno with all of the parallel quests within both Xenoverse games which each is it's own timeline so 78,624 and then that x 18 for the amount of universes and that would be 1,415,232 known universes within Dragon Ball actually it's 1,415,234 because of the main story for each Xenoverse whereas DC now only had 52 universes in it and that would make it 27,216x smaller than Dragon Ball. So your bullshit logic even proves that Dragon Ball characters have the ability to exceed 18 universe in power, good job.
3+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

And all of that aside, 18 x 6 = 108 so it would still be over 2x as large as the DC universe.
Dcfan123
179 days ago
Dcfan123
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

We're there he'll are the rest then in Dragonball universe
Dcfan123
179 days ago
Dcfan123
Team Battle
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Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

but How powerful is he thoug
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
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Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

It's unknown. He's at least multi-universal, with scaling to base Superman.
Dcfan123
179 days ago
Dcfan123
Team Battle
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Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

But how is he base
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
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Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

The hell does that even mean? If you're asking how he scales to base Superman, he's obviously stronger, so he scales to the multi-universal level.
Dcfan123
179 days ago
Dcfan123
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

Which one is base there's 3 base supermans
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
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Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

Base Superman is whatever Superman you want to use. I use a composite Pre-Crisis/Post-Crisis Superman, which is how I use most DC characters.
Dcfan123
179 days ago
Dcfan123
Team Battle
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Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

but how we nothing on prime one million feats so how can goku win
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
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Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

Because it has no feats putting it on Goku's level, and no feats that are really that high above normal Superman's level.
Dcfan123
179 days ago
Dcfan123
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

We're does it say in the comic how powerful Superman prime one million is
3+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

It never says anywhere how powerful he is, the only thing it says about his power is that he spent 1,000,000 years inside of the sun.
Dcfan123
179 days ago
Dcfan123
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

So can goku beat him
3+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

Based on the comics and feats, yes.
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

There's not much putting SPOM above normal Goku, let alone Ultra Instinct.
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

SPOM is, at least, 5th dimensional, based on statements.
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

The reason why people say he's featless, because everything he has ever done, was off-panel.
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
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Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

Um, how?
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

Said to have powers of Mxy. Said to have all power rings. Said to have trained under the Source Wall. Said to have powers of the Presence. And those are all off-panel feats and statements.
Dcfan123
179 days ago
Dcfan123
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

The comic doesn't say we just know as readys
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Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

I know, I know. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend SPOM, It has a lot of stupid and inconsistent things within his storyline, so I completely disagree with him being so high. I can only accept him being on par with Mxy or slightly above him, because Strange Visitor Superman has already been like that.
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
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Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

All of those are statements that are all very clearly bullshit. The Source is where all creation stems from, which is 1-A at least. SPOM definitely doesn't have the power of The Presence, if he had all Power Rings, he'd be a White Lantern, and he has no feats on Mxy's level.
Dcfan123
179 days ago
Dcfan123
Team Battle
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Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

Didn't he break through the source wall
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
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Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

If he did, it's either PIS or the Source Wall was nerfed like it is in several of the comics it appears in.
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Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

@Sora, yes Dragon Ball characters do have that level of power via scaling, because unlike Marvel and DC, Dragon Ball is liner meaning it continues to increase as the show goes on so by scaling they are that powerful. The Goku and Beerus Macrocosim feat puts Goku's base at 1.5x universal because the Macrocosm consists of 3 realms, Earth, heaven, and hell and there battle effected all three of those and that becomes Goku's new base power then you apply just SSJ because all of Dragon Ball is liner and he is already 75x universal and then after another 2x, 4x, 2x, and 50x multipliers later and through liner scaling Goku SSB is 60,000x universal Vegeta is Goku's equal (may even be stronger) so he is also 60,000x universal, Beerus took on both of them by himself and casually defeated them during a training session meaning Beerus is bare minimum 120,000x universal (it is much higher than that) both Goku UI and Jiren are stronger than Beerus at that point and are stronger than Vegeta and Toppo, and after unlocking USSB Vegeta was equal to a x20 Kiao ken SSB Goku during their fight with Jiren meaning he had to have been 1,200,000x universal.
3+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

And it took Vegeta's most powerful attack to defeat Toppo and in Dragon Ball all ki based attacks amplify your power and this move was used once before when Vegeta blew himself up in an attempt to defeat Buu and almost completely obliterated him after struggleing to even stagger Buu prior and self-destructs in Dragon Ball are stronger than the character's normal power by at least 2x (this is backed by Chiaotzu destroying Nappa's armor after blowing up when Chiaotzu is weaker than a Saibamen which are each 5-7x weaker than Nappa so really self-destructs are more but I'll be generous) meaning Toppo is about 2,400,000x universal via scaling from Vegeta. Kefla is stronger than SSB Goku is her base and she achieved SSJ2 so 60,000 x 100 (because 50x2 for each Multiplier) and Kefla SSJ2 is 6,000,000x Universal and this makes sense because UI Goku struggled to defeat Kefla and UI sign is anywhere between 50-100x multiplier on it's own based off scaling to Jiren. and all of that aside Goku mastered UI and Jiren **** on literally everyone else I mentioned prior, that's how Dragon Ball power scales which is liner.
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Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

To add to that last piece, even if UI sign was only a 50x multiplier, he defeated Kefla SSJ2 with a Kame-Hama-Ha which is a 3x multiplier based off guide books, and the feat from the show because during the early Saiyan Saga Goku had a power level of around 400 or so and his Kame-Hame-Ha had a power level of around 1200 which makes complete sense because Raditz's power was around 1,500 and he was concerned for this attack so Goku UI signs Kame-Hame-Ha on Kefla was 9,000,000x universal which makes sense that she would be blow back by this attack.
3+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

So to conclude this long ass rant about how powerful team Dragon Ball is-
The power scaling in dragon ball is completely liner whereas in comic books things can be inconsistent and all over the place, and that multipliers from Dragon Ball can be used and are completely backed up by the feats shown in the series.
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

That's too much to read...
3+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

Just read the very last part then.
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

I'm well aware that the power scaling is different, and that's pretty much what I've been discussing with Tracer this whole time. And I'm pretty sure Dragon Ball has limitations when it comes to destructive capability.
3+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

I said all this to prove why team DB wins. And I never said they didn't, Dragon Ball characters have limitations just like everything else in fiction, what's your point there?
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

He means limitations of there only being 18 universes in the overall Dragon Ball multiverse (which I already debunked), so nobody can be more than 18x universal.
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

You didn't debunk them.
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
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Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

Yes, I did. I've already explained how Universe 7 has three universe sized realms in it - the universe, heaven and hell, and it has alternate timelines like Future Trunks' timeline (which connects to the other universes in the multiverse, so that's 54 universe sized realms alone). Then there's the fact that Xenoverse, which is a part of the Dragon Ball franchise and therefore the multiverse, has infinite timelines and higher dimensional realms. And then there's the alternate dimensions the movies and OVAs take place in, then there's the manga timeline, then there's Dragon Ball Heroes, Super Dragon Ball Heroes and far more. There's more than 18 universes.
3+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

That is a completely flawed argument @Sora, if that's the case The Presence, Lucifer, Michael, Mr. Mxy etc. can not be stronger than 52x universal because that's what the DC universe is confind to, ie. it is a flawed argument.
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

Three realms =/= Three universes. So, it can only have one universe. 616 universe in Marvel holds Mephisto's realm, and Mephisto's Realm is not treated as a regular universe. That's only ONE example of a timeline. So, it's 19x universal. Big deal.
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

You completely ignored where I said Heaven and Hell are the size of a universe. Three times universal, at least. And you ignored the rest of my comment where I proved there's far more than 18 universes in Dragon Ball, there's infinite universes and higher-dimensional realms.
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

Being universe size doesn't prove that it functions like a universe. Dormammu's Dimension is arguably greater than Earth-616, and it's still not classified as a universe. I really don't care about Xeno, which, highballed, has countless number of universes (2-😎, because it's not part of the main storyline and it's non canon.
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

That was supposed to be "2-B"
3+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

Yes it does, they are all Universe sized realms so they are 3 universe sized dimensions within Universe 7 so it is actually 3 universe inside of one, and this is proven because Snake way stretches across the realm of heaven and heaven is the same length as hell proof through snake way and then you have the normal universe which is universe sized because duh. The Kiao Shins and Supreme Kais of each quadrant of the universe all live within heaven equidistant from where their quadrant is within the normal universes meaning heaven is the same size as the main universe and hell is the same size as heaven so it would also be the same size as the mortal universe itself.
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

Nice fallacy. It's the size of a universe, which means destroying it is a universe level feat. And you can not care about Xenoverse all you like, it's still part of the overall Dragon Ball multiverse, even if it's not canon.
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

Unless those three realms have an established fourth dimension and a specific, SEPARATED, timeline from regular universe, destroying it, would not be a universal level feat. I don't care, because you can't use Xeno, and even if you can, 2-A > 2-B.
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

Yes, it would be. If you destroy something that's the size of a universe, that is universe level. And I absolutely can use Xenoverse, because it still exists in the multiverse. And it is not only 2-B, it is High 2-A, as it is explicitly said to have INFINITE timelines and a higher-dimensional realm.
Dcfan123
179 days ago
Dcfan123
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

Yeah no one in the dragonball universe can make more than 18 that's why dc has an infinite universe and 52 earths
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

Wrong. There's far more than 18, which I've proved several times.
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

Nope and nope. Those three realms still function by the same mainstream timeline, so they're not their separate universe. Destroying all three of them plus the main universe, would be a high universal+ feat.
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

The definition of universe level - 3-A, has nothing to do with timelines. And they very clearly do function on a different level of time than the main universe. For one, Heaven and Hell exist unchanging in other dimensions entirely. For example, Hell exists in the main Dragon Ball anime, but it also exists in the Manga, Toeiverse, Xenoverse, etc. So it could even be considered to be far larger than a universe.
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

You don't always have to use VSBW scaling. And all of those are non canon, try again.
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

Oh, my God, CANONICITY IS IRRELEVANT RIGHT NOW. They are a part of the Dragon Ball franchise (and the manga is canon, actually), so they exist and are a part of the overall cosmos.
AkhilPDX
179 days ago
AkhilPDX
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

This is funny. Thanos, Superman, Darkseid, and Diana can solo 😂😂😂
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

Says the dude who knows nothing about Dragon Ball and lowballs everyone just so he can say the characters lose to Marvel and DC.
soratoumiga
179 days ago
soratoumiga
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

Goku (Ultra Instinct)* v. Featless Prime One-Million
Jiren* v. Darkseid (New 52)
Kefla* v. Supergirl
Vegeta v. Goddess of War*
Toppo v. Thanos (Cosmic Cube)*
Aniraza v. Doomsday*
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Goku v. Goddess of War*
Jiren v. Thanos*
Kefla v. Doomsday*
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

Vegeta is not losing to Goddess of War.
soratoumiga
179 days ago
soratoumiga
Team Battle
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

Thanos solostomps this team, it's not even funny. CC is much stronger than most people think.
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

The Cosmic Cube is only low multiverse level. That's beneath anyone on Team I.
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

Since you're w.a.nking the **** out of DB, I'll do the same for Cosmic Cube. And it's not low multiversal, non-wanked anyway. It's high multiversal, VASTLY above anyone here.
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

I am not ******* Dragon Ball, I am scaling using the official multipliers and feats that are given in the series that you continue to deny. And not only is the Cosmic Cube not high multiversal, as the only thing that could possibly put it on that level is a single statement from Thanos, everyone on Team I is on that level except Aniraza, and even he could be considered on that level.
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

First of all, multipliers are just statements. If you continue to use them, I will use statements from Cosmic Cubes, and not only did Cosmic Cubes have been treated as far above anything in Dragon Ball, if we include statements, they dwarf anything on the whole series, let alone this team. CCs are superior to In-Betweener, ALL Elders of the Universe and Stranger. CC has one-shotted Galactus and brought him back to life at FULL strength, suggesting Cosmic Cubes are comparable, if not superior to Eternity. And not ONLY that, the Cubes, MULTIPLE TIMES, have been stated as comparable to Infinity Gems. Nothing, I repeat nothing, in Dragon Ball would even get noticed by anyone wearing the Infinity Gauntlet, and by that extension Cosmic Cube. Now, I didn't even touch the fact that there are no weaknesses Cosmic Cubes have, and that their sole existence and purpose stems from Beyond Realm, an extra terrestrial dimension, that possesses energies everyone on Team I would die from. So again, how does Thanos not solo?
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

1. You're already wrong. The multipliers are confirmed in guide books, and they are approved by Toriyama himself. When the creator of the series says it exists, and is applicable, they exist and they're applicable. It's not the same as a character in the series making a random statement.
2. Galactus at full strength is still far inferior to Eternity, so the Cosmic Cube resurrecting him does not put him on the level of Eternity. And all those people you mentioned the Cube one-shotting are low multiverse level.
3. STATED to be comparable to Infinity Gems, not confirmed, and they have ZERO feats on that level.
The Cosmic Cube is low multiverse level, and everyone on Team I is multiverse level, at least. Thanos does not solo.
3+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

@Soratoumiga, Dragon Ball multipliers are not statements, they are actual power increases confirmed by Akira Toriyama himself the creator of Dragon Ball.
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

Exactly. And they're confirmed in the Daizenshuu, which is approved by Toriyama himself.
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

1. You are already wrong. Doesn't matter if they are eligibla and applicable statements. No one here has any feats on the level that you claim them to be. I don't care if he confirmed them. What matters is feats, does it not?
2. Again wrong, if you use statements, then FP Galactus is equal to Eternity. And you're misunderstanding the powers of Eternity. This is not the M-Eternity. This is THE Eternity. From Overspace. You know, the high hyperversal realm?
3. Again, statements. You use them, I'll use them. And even if I do not, the Cosmic Cube is 2-A, at least.

@Soul I am aware of that, but it doesn't change the fact no one here, hell, no one in Dragon Ball has any feats on, for example, 50x universal level.
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

1. "I don't care what the creator of the series says is canon." That's basically what you're saying. The multipliers are canon, and they are to be used. If you're not going to use them, then you shouldn't debate Dragon Ball characters because you're denying what the author says.
2. Using Toriyama's statements is not the same as you using a statement from a random character in the comic. Full Power Galactus doesn't exist, and nothing confirms that it would be on the same level as Eternity. And the Overspace is not high hyperversal, as when Hank Pym grew into the Overspace, he spoke with Eternity's M-Body.
3. Not the same thing, again. Toriyama is the author, and whatever he approves is law. The statements of characters in the comic is not law, stop trying to equate them to each other. And the Cosmic Cube is 2-C, it is only 2-A by statements.
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

1. About 95% of people who debate fictional characters, in general, treasure comic book statements more than writer statements. The guy who wrote Lucifer and Sandman stated Lucifer, Michael and The Endless are ONLY UNIVERSAL. Should we trust him? I mean, do we trust him? No. Only people who like to lowball DC, and Marvel fanboys. So, the statements from comics/series are more reliable than what the writer/author states.
2. Hmm, with statements, yeah... It does. They're described as brothers, and with UN, he's actually superior to Eternity. Overspace is the realm where the true form of Abstracts exist, if Hank ever really reached it, it would have been high hyperversal.
3. My first comment directly relates to this. And again, 2-A is bare minimum for CC, even without statements.
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

1. Comic book statements are not more reliable than writer statements. And you're forgetting that Dragon Ball is not a comic, it does not follow the same rules. And you still have not debunked the Super Saiyan multipliers, though it is impossible for you to do so.
2. STATEMENTS. And again, it was Eternity's M-Body that he spoke to. The M-Bodies are not high hyperversal.
3. 2-A is not the bare minimum, where's the feats showing that it is the bare minimum?
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

1. So I guess the Endless are universal, as well Lucifer and Michael? Okay, good. Scarlet Witch can beat them all. Good to know.
3. One-shotting Galactus and bringing him back to life at full power. His full power is 2-A, and that's if I don't continue to **** him and say he is High 1-B, because he has Lifebringer form, which wasn't yet revelealed back then, but can be used.
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

1. *facepalm* Obviously their feats debunk that. But in the case of Dragon Ball, nothing prevents the multipliers from being canon and used, so they are able to be used, and should be used.
3. 2-A is **** at the beginning, because Eternity's M-Bodies only have 2-C level feats, and the CC is below him.
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

1. *sigh* I'm not going to agree with you on that, so I suggest we just move on.
3. What the hell? You're the one who was saying Eternity's M-Body is 2-A, what changed? And that's not what I was talking about. I was talking about UN Galactus.
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

1. You're just denying the truth at that point, but whatever.
3. I was scaling Eternity to the Ultimate Nullifier, which has shown feats far beyond the 2-A level, so Eternity, Galactus, etc. actually cannot be scaled to it.
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

1. Ugh... No.
3. UN is a part of Galactus. Recreating him at full power is giving him his peak, which is 2-A, scaled to Ultimate Nullifier. Not to mention that UN also has a High 1-B feat, as well as Lifebringer does. So I can even say that Cosmic Cube, alone is High 1-B.
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

1. You're going against and ignoring what has been confirmed at least three different times. That's denying the truth.
3. That logic doesn't work. The creation can become stronger than the creator, and the Ultimate Nullifier is very clearly stronger than Galactus. They don't scale to each other. Resurrecting Galactus is a 2-C level feat, the Cosmic Cube is only 2-C.
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

3. UN is a part of Galactus. Resurrecting him is giving him powers of UN. And the heart of the Multiverse is stored within Galactus, and bringing that heart back would be a High 1-B to 1-A feat.
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

How in the hell does resurrecting Galactus give him the powers of the UN? And once again, just because it's a part of him, it doesn't mean he scales to it.
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

How? If it's a part of him, when you resurrect him, you give it back ti him. It's quite simple. Heart is not Galactus' only. He shares it with the Multiverse. He dies, the Multiverse collapses.
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

That makes no goddamn sense. The UN and Galactus are separate. Galactus being resurrected doesn't make another UN. And as I've been saying, which is very clear by feats, Galactus does not scale to the UN.
1+ years member.
Voted: Team Superman Prime One-Million

UN is a part of Galactus. It's one with him.
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

Incorrect. That's not even what Galactus said about it. He said it's as much a part of him as he is a part of it.
LordTracer
179 days ago
LordTracer
Team Battle
2+ years member.
Voted: Team Goku (Ultra Instinct)

The six strongest fighters in the Tournament of Power take on assorted DC (and Thanos). Which team wins? As an extra note, Doomsday is as he appears in Hunter/Prey.

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