One-Above-All vs The Presence

vs The Presence

Created by: wolfdragon123

Character 1

Character 2

55 wins (50.5%)

One-Above-All

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Powergrid

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Strength
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Speed
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Power
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Combat
100
100%
54 wins (49.5%)

The Presence

The Presence

231

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Intelligence
100
100%
Strength
100
100%
Speed
100
100%
0%
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100
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Comments

1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

It's not a tie tho
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

Yeah, OAA is actually omnipotent, while The Presence is not even Nigh-Omnipotent.
Voted: One-Above-All

Keep it a tie.
Voted: The Presence

Lmao, this is no longer a stalemate. The Presence wouldn't be scared of Thanos, like TOOA is, therefore Presence > TOOA.
1+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

Their both the same character just from from too different universe s
Voted: One-Above-All

One-Above-All FTW
Voted: One-Above-All

One Above All win
Voted: One-Above-All

Who broke the tie after I voted?
Voted: One-Above-All

Are we sure? I mean isn't the One-Above-All like the supreme being in the universe. Due to his name I figured he could beat anybody regardless of how powerful.
Voted: One-Above-All

@LordTracer I'm sorry. Why were we trying to keep it a tie?
1+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

Most of us are of the consensus that this fight would be a stalemate, so we've been trying to keep it a tie.
Voted: One-Above-All

I know people say that a fight between these two would result in a draw, but I'm going with the One-Above-All because like I said in the previous post, he is above everything and everybody else and can beat them regardless of how powerful. Let me know what you think.
Voted: One-Above-All

The reason I picked the One-Above-All is purely because of his name. The One-Above-All. A name like that just leads me to believe that he is literally above everybody and everything else in the universe and can beat anybody regardless of how powerful.
Voted: One-Above-All

Hey everybody. This is my first time voting on this website. I'm glad I finally broke the tie between these two.
1+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

*sigh* We were trying to keep a tie.
Voted: One-Above-All

Why?
Voted: The Presence

I put the balance back
1+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

Someone voting for TOAA switch so we can achieve balance
Voted: The Presence

I Did just so they would be even
1+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

Who broke the balance?
Voted: The Presence

Some dickheads.
Voted: The Presence

NOOoOOOOO!!!!!!! SCREW YoU @IRONMINECRAFT9.
Voted: One-Above-All

What?
Voted: The Presence

The. balance. Is . gone.
Voted: One-Above-All

Oh no, I've upset Thanos.
😁
Voted: The Presence

TOOA - questionable omnipotence, nigh-omniscience, omnipresence
Presence - questionable omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence
Voted: One-Above-All

TOAA is the God/Supreme being top of the Marvel hierarchy, until it gets retconned/rebooted TOAA is the absolute being in Marvel.
TOAA : Questionable/Virtual Omnipotence, Omniscience, Omnipresence
The Presence : Nigh-Omnipotence, Nigh-Omniscience, Omnipresence
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

This shouldn't be so even. People forget that Presence is only nigh-omnipotent. Nothing more special than Living Tribunal
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

Exactly right, Presence himself admitted that, while The One Above All is true Omnipotent.
1+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

TOAA isn't omnipotent either, as he isn't omniscient. If he was omnipotent, he would have to be omniscient.
Voted: The Presence

@LordTracer I already proved to you why OAA is Omnipotent . This is possibly one of the only debates that I won against you .
So let's start again . OAA has never shown not to be Omni potent. Omnipotence is very different from omniscience . He does not have to be omnipotent to be Omniscient . He is vastly more powerful than Presence
OAA>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Presence>Lucifer>LT
1+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

The definition of omnipotence is all-powerful. You need to have all powers to be omnipotent. If you don't have omniscience, you aren't omnipotent.
Voted: The Presence

All Powerful is not the same as All Knowing .
Also here is a scan that shows the presence was created while TOAA wasn't
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=xWTves7O&id=A038E117791608A257EEC5B96EC0F8B26B214DE1&thid=OIP.xWTves7OuECM9rGScD7DTQHaD5&mediaurl=http%3a%2f%2fstatic.comicvine.com%2fuploads%2foriginal%2f10%2f101942%2f3246921-2.jpg&exph=316&expw=600&q=one+above+all+presence+amalgam&simid=608035374363707023&selectedIndex=10&ajaxhist=0
That means presence was made and isn't even truly o omnipotent Or Omniscient as he doesn't know anything out of the plan
While OAA only doesn't Know about the Mystery .
But OAA is still very VERY close to omniscient as he doesn't know one thing . While the presence isn't even close to omniscience .
Presence has died Twice while OAA hasn't even been harmed once . That just further proves my statement . OAA >>>>>>>>Presence
1+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

But to be all-powerful, one must also be all-knowing, as being all-knowing is a power.
Voted: The Presence

Dude I just proved to you why presence loses .
OAA is Omnipotent as he cannot be harmed in any way and is nearly omniscient . Everyone has a plan and if something goes out of it or course they aren't going to know about it . But like I said . Even if OAA isn't Omnipotent (which he is) Presence is t even close to his level
1+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

Yet TOAA is not omnipotent, because he is not omniscient, which means he is not omnipotent. And there is only one being above The Presence, which is the real-life Writer. Which is the same situation at TOAA.
Voted: The Presence

Ok I just read a article and your right about the omniscient / Omnipotent part. But still there is people in par and above the presence.
Over-Monitor(Above) Elaine Belloc(Above) Free Will Lucifer (Equal) Great Evil Beats (Equal)
Voted: The Presence

And also Presence Died . He is on par with LT or Beyonder
OAA has never died .
He is nearly O.omnipotent and Omniscient
Presence is nowhere close . He also has a limit . Shown when he passed all his powers to elakne
1+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

Over-Monitor has no power, it's just a piece of paper. Elaine is not above The Presence, she is equal to him. She and The Great Evil Beast ARE The Presence, so that doesn't discount his power. And Free Will Lucifer is not equal to Presence.
1+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

It's still up for debate whether Presence fakes his death or not. And giving all his power to Elaine doesn't mean his has a limit.
Voted: The Presence

Free Will Lucifer is equal as he created his own reality outve the Dc Universe. It's desperate from Dc , Marvel etc etc . Presence bave alll his powers to Elaine and just disappeared into the universe finally glad to have a break
Voted: The Presence

Ugh, Presence is equal to TOOA, and this not me being biased, because I like Marvel more, but he seriously is his equal and has more feats. One-Above-All isn't omniscient and has no sway over Beyonders, Presence is sovereign over everything except for the Void and the only thing than influences him is the Writer, which is equivalent to Marvel's Stan Lee. TOOA still has no feats that would put him above the Presence. They are equal, for now.
Voted: The Presence

It's the literal meaning of an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object.
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

TOAA would legit win though
Voted: The Presence

Why would he win?
Voted: One-Above-All

Because the presence is only nigh-omnipotent, while TOAA is actually omnipotent. The Presence literally stated that he was shaped by forces who are ETERNAL to him, TOAA has never stated this.
Voted: The Presence

Some one needs to restore the balance !!!!
Voted: The Presence

Help!!!!! The Balance needs to be restored
Voted: The Presence

THE BALANCE NOOOOOOO
Voted: The Presence

The Balacne is restored 😂
Voted: The Presence

No the balanced needs to be restored
Who hasn't used their vote yet
I can't use my 2nd account it's up against the rule
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

The One Above All is True Omnipotent, The Presence is not, he is only nigh Omnipotent, under the Over Monitor.
2+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

Forget the rules! If anyone asks tell them your dad voted.
2+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

Damn it all to hell, what maniac ruined the balance?
Voted: One-Above-All

Oh no...
Voted: The Presence

THE BALANCE IS RESTORED
2+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

Well this battle is more like a which do you like more Marvel or DC, I like Marvel more, but the balance is more important than personal opinion.
2+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

I had to once again restore the balance, you're welcome.
1+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

Who ruined the balance? Thanos is going to be angry.
Voted: One-Above-All

"Perfectly balanced. As all things should be."
Voted: The Presence

Thanos(MCU) would be pleased with the score.
Voted: The Presence

Who is going to vote for the one above all we need to keep this balanced
Voted: The Presence

Wow 34 to 35
Voted: The Presence

Seriously
Voted: The Presence

wow 41-40
Voted: The Presence

Now I only picked the presence to get out the scores but
The Presence has shown to have limits since he gave his power to Elaine Belloc
The Presence has Died before
The Presence isn't the True most powerful character of his Respected Universe
Voted: The Presence

But the OAA has never shown this
1+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

I agree, I also voted Presence to keep it balanced.
Voted: The Presence

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be
Voted: The Presence

I don't wanna ruin the balance
Voted: The Presence

Well, both are Gods, same stats, so i just voted for the presence according the Powergrids, but this is so bit difference, anyone could win
1+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

I'm only voting Presence to even the votes out, cause their both equal.
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

@LordTracer You can't be so sure about that, Tracer. If they really are equals, then neither of them would've died. If they really are equals, why are you choosing the Presence?
1+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

So the votes will be even. And you can be the equal to someone and still die.
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

@LordTracer Then neither is the Presence, because there are certain things he doesn't know, and which occur outside of his plan, and he cannot know the thoughts of comparable beings.
1+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

I never said that he was omniscient.
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

@LordTracer Votes can't always be even. It's one or the other. You can't choose both.
1+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

Yeah, they can. If one more person votes for the Presence, the votes will be even. And if The Presence gets more votes, then I'll switch mine to TOAA.
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

@LordTracer Okay. Let's stop here, then.
Voted: One-Above-All

One above all wins also think of it this way
Earth
Milky way
The universe
The multiverse
The omniverse
The ultraverse
The megaverse
The infiniverse
1+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

Uhh, that is incorrect.
First of all, Ultra, Mega, and Infini verses do not exist. Second, Omniverse is every Multiverse, and Marvel is a Multiverse. (Which means the Omniverse consists of every fictional and non fictional Multiverse) Anything bigger would be beyond our comprehension.
1+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

Uhh, that is incorrect.
First of all, Ultra, Mega, and Infini verses do not exist. Second, Omniverse is every Multiverse, and Marvel is a Multiverse. (Which means the Omniverse consists of every fictional and non fictional Multiverse) Anything bigger would be beyond our comprehension.
1+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

1. Are you seriously using that as evidence?
2. TOAA said "the mystery" intrigued him. If he was omniscient, there would be no mystery.
3. The scan does not show Presence being harmed by the weapon. And if he created it to be able to harm himself, that isn't a strike against him.
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

@LordTracer Okay, enough of the numbers. So far, you haven't given me any evidence showing TOAA's weaknesses, if he had any. Where's your evidence of "the mystery"? Where's your evidence that TOAA isn't omniscient?
1+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

You haven't shown me any weaknesses of the Presence that WEREN'T CREATED BY HIM. TOAA speaks of "the mystery" in Ultimates #100. The scan is right here.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/3/3c/TOAA_ultimates2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170821104615
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

@LordTracer That may be the case. But the Presence has died in some cases, as stated here in these images.
1: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/5/5d/Presence_is_Dead.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160303012933
2: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/b/b4/Presence_is_Dead_2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160303013025
And once gods change, they can't shift back like humans do. The Presence was a jealous and avenging god. Full of wrath. https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/4/44/Gggg.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160924035646
1+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

Okay, and?
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

@LordTracer And did TOAA ever die in any of the comics? Just because he said the mystery intrigued him doesn't mean he has a weakness or isn't all-knowing. Intrigue means to interest and in that speech In that speech, TOAA said he's all-powerful, so what you just provided me doesn't prove he has a weakness. What do you think he meant by "mystery"?
1+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

The concept of mystery is something one does not know.
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

@LordTracer The pictures of the Presence were taken from http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/The_Presence. I suggest you read up on it if you wish to know more about the Presence.
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

@LordTracer What concept?
1+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

And I've viewed that page numerous times. I use VS Battle Wiki a lot, but some of their information is inaccurate, such as them saying Thor and Hal Jordan are solar system level.
1+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

Here is the definition of mystery. "Something that is difficult or impossible to understand or explain." If TOAA acknowledges that something is difficult to understand, or impossible to understand, he's not omniscient.
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

@LordTracer Whether or not it's accurate, it doesn't mean the Presence is the most powerful being. I've also used this :sourcehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presence_(DC_Comics)
1+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

I know you're not trying to use Wikipedia to debate this. And I never said The Presence was the most powerful. I said he and TOAA were equals.
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

@LordTracer He meant that human suffering is a mystery.
1+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

And? That still mean he doesn't understand it, ergo, he's not omniscient.
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

1. They're not equal. http://deathbattlefanon.wikia.com/wiki/The_Presence_VS._The_One-Above-All
2. Yes he is. The Presence is only Nigh-Omniscient
3. It's in the new 2015 Vertigo Lucifer Comic, written by Holly Black. http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/7/7f/Lucifer_10_.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160924035032
Voted: The Presence

dude that site is retarded. NEVER go on that site to know who would win a fight.
Voted: The Presence

Presence wins this and also TOAA is not powerful than the presence they have both the exact same power rating obviously just look at the powergrid.
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

http://deathbattlefanon.wikia.com/wiki/The_Presence_VS._The_One-Above-All
3+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

The Presence is officially more powerful on this website
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

That still doesn't mean he is the most powerful or he can beat TOAA.
Voted: The Presence

I have to go with the presence, he just seems so much more Godlike.
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

What part of nigh-omnipotent do you not get?
Voted: The Presence

It would be a stalemate.
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

No, it wouldn't.
Voted: The Presence

it has been settled on youtube! every1 agrees they are the same power level and if they fought, it would be a stalemate. but if they DO pin their universes against one another, presence would BARELY win since dc is very very very very slightly more powerful than marvel. and i am a marvel fan but i admit dc is very very very very slightly more powerful. therefore presence wins.
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

Stop spamming, also, the Presence HIMSELF stated he is not Omnipotent
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/134418/2823465-2487076_1829681_presence_super.jpg
Voted: The Presence

well reasoned. but i still believe presence wins. even IF presence is less powerful, answer me if toaa>Mom and toaa>over-monitor
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

1. The Presence is unable to kill The Great Evil Beast, with both being equal halves of the same whole.
2. The Presence isn't fully Omniscient. There are certain things he doesn't know, and which occur outside of his plan, and he can't know the thoughts of comparable beings.
3. The Presence was severely injured, or temporarily killed by the archangel Gabriel Hornblower, although apparently with a weapon that he himself fashioned.
Voted: The Presence

if only themselves fought, it would be a stalemate WITHOUT a doubt. 110% it is a stalemate! but if they pin their universes against one another, presence would BARELY win since dc is very very very very slightly more powerful than marvel. and i am a marvel fan but i admit dc is very very very very slightly more powerful. therefore presence wins.
Voted: The Presence

How does someone with UNLIMITED POWER beat someone else with UNLIMITED POWER?
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

The One Above all has absolute Omnipotence, while the Presence is actually not completely true omnipotent, thus, The One Above All wins.
Voted: The Presence

how is presence not 'completely true omnipotent'??????? gimme evidence
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

1. The Presence is unable to kill The Great Evil Beast, with both being equal halves of the same whole.
2. The Presence isn't fully Omniscient. There are certain things he doesn't know, and which occur outside of his plan, and he can't know the thoughts of comparable beings.
3. The Presence was severely injured, or temporarily killed by the archangel Gabriel Hornblower, although apparently with a weapon that he himself fashioned.
The-One-Above-All is the Supreme Creator of the "Omniverse," (everything in Marvel Comics), and is immensely greater in power than all other characters combined, as they are all extensions of himself. He exists beyond all forms of time and space, since they're all part of his creation, and alternates between appearing as a male and female.
So, who do you really think would win this fight?
1+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

yeah but Protege almost defeat OAA
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

No, he only copied all the powers of Eternity, the Guardians of the Galaxy, the Hawk God, and The Living Tribunal. Even with all that, he couldn't beat TOAA. And Protege ONLY CLAIMED to have become the new One Above All, though he was ultimately stopped by the combined efforts of The Living Tribunal and the Celestial Scathan the Approver.
1+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

I don't understand why this is a debate at all.
They're both god.
They're equals.
There is no winner.
1+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

Infinity cant beat infinity
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

1. The Presence is unable to kill The Great Evil Beast, with both being equal halves of the same whole.
2. The Presence isn't fully Omniscient. There are certain things he doesn't know, and which occur outside of his plan, and he can't know the thoughts of comparable beings.
3. The Presence was severely injured, or temporarily killed by the archangel Gabriel Hornblower, although apparently with a weapon that he himself fashioned.
Voted: The Presence

Seriously, "_Holy_Joe_" none of that's true. If he wanted to he could kill the great evil beast, but he chooses not to. Also he does know EVERYTHING, it just works better with his plan if people don't realize that. And finally, he was not injured, even by a weapon of infinite power, he cannot be harmed in the slightest.
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

No, not even. The Great Evil Beast was stated to be equal in power to the Presence. The Presence had to merge with the Great Evil Beast to end his threat. Although that it should be noted that the Great Evil Beast is the evil side of the Presence, to Great Darkness to contrast the Great Light.
1+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

1. Okay, so he has an in-universe equal. That doesn't make TOAA more powerful.
2. Neither is TOAA.
3. Give me the scan of that happening.
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

@LordTracer
1. They're not equal. The Presence is only nigh-omnipotent. http://deathbattlefanon.wikia.com/wiki/The_Presence_VS._The_One-Above-All
2. Yes he is. The-One-Above-All is the supreme authority which even such beings as the Living Tribunal of the Marvel Universe answers to. The-One-Above-All has absolute command over everything in the entirety of Creation, in all universes
3. It's in the new 2015 Vertigo Lucifer Comic, written by Holly Black. http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/7/7f/Lucifer_10_.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160924035032
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

Guys, come on. The Presence has clear limitations, and he isn't even the most powerful being in the DC franchise. The Overvoid is.
1. The Presence is unable to kill The Great Evil Beast, with both being equal halves of the same whole.
2. The Presence isn't fully Omniscient. There are certain things he doesn't know, and which occur outside of his plan, and he can't know the thoughts of comparable beings.
3. The Presence was severely injured, or temporarily killed by the archangel Gabriel Hornblower, although apparently with a weapon that he himself fashioned.
The-One-Above-All is the Supreme Creator of the "Omniverse," (everything in Marvel Comics), and is immensely greater in power than all other characters combined, as they are all extensions of himself. He exists beyond all forms of time and space, since they're all part of his creation, and alternates between appearing as a male and female.
So, who do you really think would win this fight?
Voted: The Presence

This battle would destroy the whole entire world.
3+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

It would destroy a whole lot more than just the world
Voted: The Presence

it will destroy all dimensions in existence
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

The One-Above-All created a much larger verse, and the Presence created a massively smaller verse. The One-Above-All is the Core of the Story itself, and the Presence is defined by the story, while the One-Above-All isn't.
1+ years member.
Not voted yet

Depends which Universe you're in. A "neutral" universe = draw.
Voted: The Presence

This man's right goin places
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

The One-Above-All created a much larger verse, and the Presence created a massively smaller verse. The One-Above-All is the Core of the Story itself, and the Presence is defined by the story, while the One-Above-All isn't.
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

One-Above-All is God is the Marvel Universe, so he beats anyone. If you think anyone could beat him, then you're wrong
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

One-Above-All is God is the Marvel Universe, so he beats anyone. If you think anyone could beat him, then you're wrong
Voted: The Presence

And the Presence is the god of DC. So you are wrong.
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

That's not a reason to say why The Presence wins.
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

TOAA curbstomps
Voted: The Presence

HOW is it a curbstomp???????
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

Because the Presence isn't fully omnipotent, only night omnipotent, while THE ONE ABOVE ALL is actually omnipotent.
Voted: The Presence

wait. give me evidence that presence isn't fully omnipotent? it has been settled on youtube! every1 agrees they are the same power level and if they fought, it would be a stalemate. but if they DO pin their universes against one another, presence would BARELY win since dc is very very very very slightly more powerful than marvel. and i am a marvel fan but i admit dc is very very very very slightly more powerful. therefore presence wins.
2+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

This is basically which universe you like better
Voted: The Presence

hahaha true
2+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

The Presence was first, the One-Above-All was only Marvels answer to him.
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

well nope presence was dc's answer to beyonder while over monitor is dc's answer to the one above all
2+ years member.
Voted: The Presence

I have to correct you @TAMYOCOM16 the Beyonder first appeared in secret wars May 1984 the Presence first appearance was in More Fun Comics February 1940, so no he was not a copy of the Beyonder. You will also find that he is older than all the characters you mentioned in your comment.
1+ years member.
Voted: One-Above-All

thanks for correcting me on that and if he appeared that ago than of-course he's older than everyone as a character because oaa made its debut in 1976 while over monitor first appeared in 2008 and it was stated that over monitor created presence and possess same powers as oaa and for me rip offs are not a thing because if they were then every idea out there is inspired by something else