BatmanvsBatgirl IV

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Batman Bruce Wayne
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Batgirl IV Cassandra Cain
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salstyles
salstyles 1 mo 11 d
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Batgirl IV batman said himself he would lose in a real fight one on one with her. If he admits that then what else does the public want?
BruceRogers
BruceRogers 11 mo 2 d
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Batman Batman should win
Jongensoden
Jongensoden 11 mo 3 d
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Batman Cassandra lost to Thomas who is below batman
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LordTracer
LordTracer 11 mo 3 d
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Batgirl IV Scans?
Bodhi
Bodhi 11 mo 6 d
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Batman If he isn't holding back, Bruce would win 10/10
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Jongensoden
Jongensoden 11 mo 6 d
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Batman Agreed
LordTracer
LordTracer 11 mo 6 d
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Batgirl IV Feats, scaling and statements disagree. Which we already discussed.
Jongensoden
Jongensoden 11 mo 1 d
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Batman Batman has beaten her before Cass never beaten batman
iFailedNNN
iFailedNNN 11 mo 23 d
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Batman Cassandra have her body reading but Bruce has physicals on his side, I think experience will play a key role here.
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LordTracer
LordTracer 11 mo 23 d
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Batgirl IV You do realize it's been explicitly stated that Batman CANNOT defeat Cass, even on his best day, right?
Bodhi
Bodhi 11 mo 23 d
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Batman Statements are worthless, feats are the real deal
Clint_Barton
Clint_Barton 11 mo 23 d
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Batgirl IV What feats?
LordTracer
LordTracer 11 mo 23 d
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Batgirl IV Cass has feats beyond Bruce too, so...

And the statements of Cass > Bruce are backed up by feats.
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Bodhi
Bodhi 11 mo 23 d
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Batman He still has his gadgets in this fight ? I'm not knowledgeable on batman sorry
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LordTracer
LordTracer 11 mo 23 d
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Batgirl IV He does, but so does Cass. And gadgets won't help him much when Cass has beaten people stronger and better at fighting than Batman.
Bodhi
Bodhi 11 mo 23 d
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Batman She still has to defeat someone as strong and skilled as Batman. Do you think Batman's morals prevent him from winning this fight ?
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LordTracer
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Batgirl IV Cass is stronger and more skilled than Batman. This is shown numerous times. And Batman's morals won't change anything since Cass has the same morals to an even more extreme, yet she's still portrayed as superior to Batman.
Bodhi
Bodhi 11 mo 23 d
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Batman The only non-enhanced human stronger than batman is bane. He's stronger, more durable and sporting a superior tactical mind. If Post-crisis feats are allowed he's more skilled, her only advantages are her speed and body reading ability.
LordTracer
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Batgirl IV Well, that's false. Because Cass isn't enhanced, yet she consistently beats metahumans and outmatches Deathstroke. Don't make claims like that about characters you aren't knowledgeable about.

Batman literally is not more skilled than her, do you want to see the various scans that prove Cass is superior to him?
Bodhi
Bodhi 11 mo 23 d
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Batman I don't need to see your scans, I've just read Batgirl Vol 1, 2 and 3 so I know what she's capable of. Her high end feats consist of defeating Rose Wilson and giving Deathstroke a fight, this is good but not nearly enough to beat geared up Batman in an all-out fight. She's inferior to Batman in strength, durability, pain tolerence, skill and her gear is nothing to be proud of. She has a chance against batman because of her body reading ability and speed.
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LordTracer
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Batgirl IV Yeah that's not even the only things Cass has appeared in. And you aren't even analyzing her feats correctly. Nor have you acknowledged her better feats.

Cass beat Deathstroke. Twice. And Deathstroke himself said he can't even touch Cass when she's not emotionally hindered. Keep in mind, this is Cass when she's HOLDING BACK.

Cass has also defeated Lady Shiva, who Batman himself said he hadn't even beaten. Batman himself also stated that NOBODY was as good of a fighter as Cass, so he is not more skilled than her. You must not have read well if you think Batman is anywhere near her in skill. And again, Deathstroke said Batman at his BEST wouldn't beat Cass.

Plus Batman can't even touch Cass, as he tried and failed. Miserably. A casual and suppressed Cass treated Batman like a joke.


And when not holding back? Batman can't even perceive her movements.


Cass beats Bruce in skill, strength and speed, which is supported by feats. She can just one-shot him like she did to Lady Shiva.


Or she could paralyze him like she did to Oracle.


Not to mention that she'd be learning his weaknesses and movements as the fight went on.


Have I made my point clear, or do you still want to rep Batman? Cause I got more scans.
Bodhi
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Batman lol
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LordTracer
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Batgirl IV Wow, you have one instance while I have multiple. Really shows where the evidence points to...

Especially since you gave no response to any point I made.
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Bodhi
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Batman "Cass beats Bruce in skill, strength and speed, which is supported by feats. She can just one-shot him like she did to Lady Shiva." That alone is laughable, both Batman and Jason freaking Todd one shot Lady Shiva like she's nothing. I can see why Cassandra above is batman in raw speed but not in skill and surely not in strength.
Batman LITERALLY destroyed a brick wall with Post-Hush virus Killer Croc's face. This is a strength feat, he's not sucker-punching someone but wrestling with a monster that laughs at missiles and shred metal like paper.

Here she lost her body reading ability and you can see she's terrible when relying only on her skill.
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LordTracer
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Batgirl IV Prove both of them have one-shot Lady Shiva. And prove Shiva wasn't holding back, because she holds back against everyone except Richard Dragon and Cass. Also wow, Batman threw Croc through a wall, doing zero damage to him in the process. So impressive...

Except it's not because Shiva actually wounded Croc. Extensively. She also did so while holding back, AND while only using one arm.


Batman himself disagrees with your assessment.

And guess what, so does Deathstroke!

The man himself explicitly said he'd lose if he and Cass had a REAL fight.
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Bodhi
Bodhi 11 mo 23 d
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Batman Like father, like son
You misinterpreted my scan, he wrestled with Post-Hush Virus Killer Croc, not base Jobber Killer Croc. And we don't use statements, feats are the real deal (Context > Feats > Writers > Comic Statements)
LordTracer
LordTracer 11 mo 23 d
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Batgirl IV Nice try, that was New 52 Shiva that Jason "beat." And even then it doesn't count since Shiva was holding back against Jason, and when she stopped holding back, she bodied Batman with zero difficulty.


Also imma need proof that Batman actually one-shot her and that wasn't just the end of the fight.

And who is "we" here? I can use statements when they're backed up by feats, and the various statements of Cass > Bruce are. Just because you don't use statements doesn't mean I can't, that's not how it works.

And honestly, it just sounds like you just want to ignore that Cass is explicitly said to be Bruce's superior numerous times by Bruce himself.

Also you've still ignored the other points I gave in my prior comment on how Cass will learn Bruce's movements and weaknesses just by watching him and she can simply paralyze him if she wants to.

And also how Bruce can't even perceive her movements when she's going full speed, which means he wouldn't be able to land a blow on her.
Bodhi
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Batman Sorry I forgot we're on superherodb, not on comicvine where we use feats. Nice try but this is rebirth Shiva and rebirth Batman, therefore that feat is not applicable at all. Here's the rest of Batman vs shiva

Here Batman reacts to kid flash, which means he'll land blows
LordTracer
LordTracer 11 mo 23 d
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Batgirl IV Literally never said we don't use feats here, mate. And you literally used a scan from the New 52, so...

Do you have the comic that fight was in?

And really? You're using blatant outliers now? Guess I might as well bring in the time Cass bodied Supergirl... And feats disagree, Batman couldn't land a blow on a casual and suppressed Cass, which I showed. He also couldn't even perceive a full speed Cass, which I also showed. So no, he's not gonna land anything.
Bodhi
Bodhi 11 mo 23 d
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Batman I meant we only use feats but whatever.
The fight is from Superman/Batman #3.
Cassandra fought Supergirl with a sword powered with red sun radiation, hardly a fight if you ask me PLUS she nearly died lmao. Batman won against Shiva so why are saying that Cassandra will dance around him when she failed to blitz her mother ?
LordTracer
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Batgirl IV Stop saying "we," as if I have to follow what you do. I've already explained why statements are perfectly fine anyways.

Shiva was mind-controlled, so that feat is completely invalid as Shiva was not at her peak performance. So based on feats and consistent statements, Cass is superior to Bruce in skill, strength and speed.

Supergirl wasn't the reason Cass nearly died, so... and Cass has also been shown numerous times to be above Superboy and she's outmatched Bizzaro Supergirl, so...

I'm saying Cass will dance around him because that's what feats clearly show. Cass already treated Batman like a joke while suppressed and casual, and a full speed Cass was imperceptible by him. Or do I need to send the scans again? Also Cass was holding back against Shiva (a fully powered Shiva) the whole time. In fact, the only time Shiva won was because Cass LET her win.
Jongensoden
Jongensoden 11 mo 25 d
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Batman Batman already won
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Bodhi
Bodhi 11 mo 23 d
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Batman He won when she lost her body reading ability, he doesn't have that luxury anymore
Jongensoden
Jongensoden 11 mo 23 d
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Batman He also won by gadgets once
Bodhi
Bodhi 11 mo 23 d
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Batman That was a stalemate
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Dark_Wing
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Batgirl IV Okay guys it's time to Acknowledge how under appreciated Cass is.
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Jongensoden
Jongensoden 1 y 27 d
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Batman Yeah no ravager and nightwing beat her
LordTracer
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Batgirl IV Prove it, Jon.
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 1 y 27 d
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Batgirl IV When did Ravenger and Grayson beat her?
Jongensoden
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Batman https://m.imgur.com/L4OyWB0 https://m.imgur.com/17TDgVG https://m.imgur.com/VJhMzmq https://m.imgur.com/BTTniXL https://m.imgur.com/gallery/goXdISp http://i.imgur.com/5X385lZ.jpg
LordTracer
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Batgirl IV Literally none of those are Ravager winning.
First Scan - Literally just Cass running at Ravager.
Second Scan - Is just Cass jumping over Rose.
Third Scan - Rose kicking Cass through a window once. That's not a win.
Fourth Scan - Cass explicitly stating; "I beat you before. I'm better than you." and then landing a kick in Rose's jaw.
Fifth Scan - Link still doesn't work.
Sixth Scan - Grayson landed one punch. That's not a win.
Jongensoden
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Batman https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/640647394874359860/673594510038532096/R9QkiVH_d.jpg
Jongensoden
Jongensoden 1 y 27 d
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Batman Grayson did ohko her
LordTracer
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Batgirl IV Prove he OHKOed her, and if you're capable of doing that, prove it's consistent. And that Ravager scan doesn't prove anything because again; Cass nearly killed Rose while holding back, and is consistently shown to be above her, Batman, and Deathstroke.
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 1 y 27 d
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Batgirl IV What dose "OHKOed" mean?
LordTracer
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Batgirl IV One
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Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 1 y 27 d
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Batgirl IV Ok
Jongensoden
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Batman Lol she admitted deathstroke is stronger then her
LordTracer
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Batgirl IV Physically stronger. Yet she still outmatched him twice WHILE HOLDING BACK.
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 1 y 27 d
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Batgirl IV Where's your evidence she was holding back and why would she hold back against Slade a mercenary out for blood?
Jongensoden
Jongensoden 1 y 27 d
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Batman Read Teen Titans v3 #46 nightwing knocked her out
Jongensoden
Jongensoden 1 y 27 d
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Batman And ok then rose lost once and beat her once so it Sade to say Cass is rose her level
LordTracer
LordTracer 1 y 27 d
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Batgirl IV Cass literally always holds back. It's been stated by Cass herself, and Batman.
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 1 y 27 d
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Batgirl IV That's against common thugs but Slade is must stronger, more durable, older, and more ruthless than those thugs.
LordTracer
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Batgirl IV Do you have any evidence that Cass would make an exception for Slade? Someone's ruthlessness is irrelevant, Cass still holds back against them, which Batman literally said in that scan.
Jongensoden
Jongensoden 1 y 27 d
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Batman That is orphan
LordTracer
LordTracer 1 y 27 d
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Batgirl IV No, it's Batgirl. Orphan is New 52 Cassandra Cain, and looks like this.
Tyrannus
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Batman Honestly stumped as to who wins
Jongensoden
Jongensoden 11 mo 25 d
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Batman Also Batman was Lying Batman said himself he believes he can take on superman wich is not true so whe should not believe everything he said
BlotskyA
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Batman While Cassandra is the most dangerous batgirl, batman has fought superman and beat him so He'll Beat Cassandra even though it would take Hours
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Jongensoden
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Batman Lol batman stomps nightwing and ravager beat het
Jongensoden
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Batman She is the weakest Batgirl
BlotskyA
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Batman Oh I Though she was the most dangerous as she can't even feel pain, can do flash like things in terms of speed, and has the same powers as taskmaster, I Though she was the most dangerous
LordTracer
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Batgirl IV Do not listen to Jon, Cass is easily the most skilled and strongest member of the Batfamily. Deathstroke and Batman both stated that Cass would destroy Batman in a fight if she wanted to.
Dark_Wing
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Batgirl IV Jongensoden is always right
LordTracer
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Batgirl IV Also @Blotsky, if you really wanna bring up nonsense like Batman beating Superman, Cass one-shot a monster than was toying with Superboy, and she did so while holding back.

And Superboy has thrown hands with Orion, who is comparable to Superman.
Dark_Wing
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Batgirl IV Batman harmed the Spectre
Jongensoden
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Batman He wanted to feel pain a better feat is batman scaring the spectre
Dark_Wing
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Batgirl IV When did Batman scare the Spectre
Jongensoden
Jongensoden 1 y 27 d
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Batman Cassandra Cain got oneshot by nightwing and ravager
Not only that but Batman fight consistently with city block level villians clayface who held his own with wonder woman supergirl and powergirl mister freeze who has a statement wich says he can freeze entire city blocks and Poison ivy who has many of those feats There is also a comic wich says batman has city block level gadgets
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LordTracer
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Batgirl IV Deathstroke said Batman at his best couldn't beat Cass, end of story.
Jongensoden
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Batman He was lying because ravager beated cass @Lordtracer
LordTracer
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Batgirl IV Feats disagree. Cass nearly killed Ravager. And she did so while holding back.
https://m.imgur.com/a/20OHY
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Jongensoden
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Batman Look this https://m.imgur.com/gallery/goXdISp
Jongensoden
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Batman https://m.imgur.com/L4OyWB0 https://m.imgur.com/17TDgVG https://m.imgur.com/VJhMzmq https://m.imgur.com/BTTniXL https://m.imgur.com/gallery/goXdISp
LordTracer
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Batgirl IV That link goes literally nowhere. This is what I got when I put it in.
Dark_Wing
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Batgirl IV That's better than what I got.
Jongensoden
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Batman Wich ? The last

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