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Freddy Krueger @R165 The only ways to kill Freddy are 1. holy objects and possibly holy powers based directly on Christianity. You basically banish him as when Jason or Myers is killed. They simply return whenever the writers see fit.

2. If you have a power set that works on him. Your powers will work in the dream world, but what exactly would work would be speculative and very hard to determine. If someone tried to grab him, bubble him, or freeze him, he'd teleport away from what they were doing(even if they managed to capture him). If someone tried to erase him, he'd likely regenerate, as he seems to be immortal. That being said, I loved the fact that holiness was the number 1 way to kill him. Magic didn't work, either. Some powers that might work are A. time travel(he was a human being at one point), B. extradimensional teleporting(teleport him into another realm after touching him just as Nancy and others have done), and C. telepathy. With Freddy, you'd likely have to be able to control something that was so different from anything living on earth that it might very well be impossible to animal and human only telepaths. It may actually require someone beyond Xavier or Martian Manhunter's level--to beyond humanoid or animalistic beings...

SOME THINGS TO NOTE ABOUT FREDDY IN THE DREAM ARE ->

HE PROBABLY HAS HAS EVERY POWER IN THERE. He has exhibited vast superstrength and invunerability, thought based pyrokinesis(without using beams unlike the Johnny Storm), telekinetic blades, telepathy and scanning extradimenional spaces, popping up where he wants as circumstances warrant(when his bones were endangered in earth's realm, he literally scanned and teleported to earth from the dreams), blazing speed, instant regeneration, stretchy powers, animated a skeleton(his bones) that fought for him on earth, junk cars were triggered to act on earth, fear strengthens him, etc.

C. He is wired to killing(like moths to a flame) and this can be his downfall. He loves picking on the innocent and weak. He doesn't have to be limited to that at all(I REMIND YOU THAT POWERHOUSE JASON WAS HELPED BY THOSE KIDS IN THE MOVIE OR HE WOULD HAVE LOST PRETTY EASILY), but Freddy loves to attack them nevertheless and is an addict. If you can use this against him, you can defeat him through planning. You could not, however, show up hoping to defeat him in this way by yourself. Requires planning and help from others, because you have to wake up to take advantage of this weakness.

Harley Quinn (New 52) @Lazada Man, somehow, I missed that.

Hyperion @Lazada My point is--the fact that she is fast enough to do this to the Hulk means nothing, because Hulk's speed level changes often. She might have caught him where the writer wrote him to be slower rather than faster. Hyperion would be too fast and his feats are more consistent as to what you can expect from him with speed.

Harley Quinn (New 52) Regardless of Quinn's superior weapon, it likely depends on the universe. Because of the advanced 4th wall manipulation. Draw.

Hyperion @R165 Hyperion is too fast for anything she could do. Anyone that moves at mega-speedster speed would be too fast. Hulk is one of those chars that writers often speed up or slowdown as their motivation changes. This month, he may be on par speedwise with Wolverine. Last month, he may have been on par speedwise with Juggernaut. Next month, he might be on par with Gladiator. Two months later, he might be on par speedwise with The Thing. The fact that she was fast enough to subdue the Hulk is not really that big of a deal. What natural speedster has she subdued?

Team Gwenpool @Lazada Advanced 4th Wall manipulation is one of the best powers to have, because unless the biggest comic god or satanic char can operate faster than the speed of an intelligent mind, they lose no matter what their other powers are. Being on a team would aid them even more. More distractions can allow them to better do what they do. And, Harley Quinn is intelligent once working as a shrink. These 2 chars(GP and HQ) are a gigantic deal in this match, because they can completely override these overpowered comic gods and satans.

Huntarr & Catwoman Huntarr is impressive...

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@Savage I never made it personal, because you were open to [email protected]? Why go off on me because I am [email protected]? When people get fln-sh0ts or whatever else, I never said a thing to anyone. However, this is different; this has both microtech or nanotech, DNA rewriting capability, and something called luciferase! Note the name. If you want to put something in your arm that is named after [email protected]@n, then I cannot stop you. I don't want you to, but I can't stop you. This will be the last message that you get from me on this subject and consider it closed...

Jackie Chan Not a fan of the original Kirate Kid, though I did grow up back then, but Chan's a human monkey. And, watch Rumble in the Bronx to see how fast and accurate he is with his blows. It would take a great, young martial artist to defeat him without weapons. Chan's only weakness is short limbs and--if not for this--he'd be a very good challenger for Bruce Lee and might be able to win if not for this weakness. Mr. Miyagi is older and might be able to topple young unskilled or semi-skilled fighters, but Chan is not that. He's the consummate martial artist in speed, agility(some legends are great, but stiff), and skill.

Thanks so very much!

Michael Myers He likely has the same powers now. He had the same powers for nearly the first 25 years of his career. I lost track after that, but still they'd have to make him a wimp in comparison for her to defeat him without weapons. If they did, he's not Michael Myers! But, most of the other voters, apparently, think his powers are the same or better than they were circa 2005-ish.

Team Crazy Shy Lolita Canary That tiny or small size is a very, very underrated power or genetics; it makes it easier to become invisible--particularly the smaller and faster you are. Mighty Mouse is like Superman and hypnotizes at his size; Lolita is tiny with flight and a powerful sonic scream(imagine that directly at earpoint and you had no idea it was about to happen); AstroBoy(would be like early physical showings from Blue Marvel, if not later); Super Mario, Shadow, and Sonic are powerhouses, speedy, and having numerous other abilities in addition to being short, Squirrel Girl and Rat King control armies of rodents, Synapse has advanced mind control over humanoid and animals as well as powers negation; Hamza stops time and manipulates others in the time stream to be faster or slower up to nanoseconds or to a crawl(but it overwhelms him over time); Ray* would have power to create/fashion his own city, the heroes, villains, and people of it, and maintain it(he could recreate their powers as well as many armed people/he could potentially have every superpower, natural effect, or device he could think of--possibly creating his own new[Turbine]); Iota shrinks herself to microscopic levels and what or whoever she wants within 6 ft of her; the Wasp's sting has subdued the X-men; etc.

*Ray's only weakness might be that he gave his creations freewill(because he was a fan of the dead JG); they later managed to overthrow him by taxing him with everything else going on(he was both managing a city and stressed, after all).

Michael Myers @R165 Myers is at least peak human and he might be somewhere between that and 2x peak. Like certain animals(lb4lb would be), only with average human intelligence, great instincts*, and regeneration. He's not nearly on Jason's level as far as strength, but he's still impregnable to human attackers. Human attackers could not knock him out(without plot favor). Listen, I would not even say that prime Tyson(streetfighter--bareknuckle Tyson would hit even harder than boxer Tyson) or Hulk Hogan beat him.

*It really takes a human's best attacks to even hit him. Still, they won't damage or stop him. The pressure is always on the attacker to only use your best attacks on him or he'll grab you. He really warms up to the opponent. After a while, nothing works. You have a small window to KO him or you're done, even if you are equal or near equal to him physically. Human attacks cannot do it.

Michael Myers @cw6334 He does regenerate. He has regenerated within an hour-a couple of hours from being killed horrifically--forget the movie, but it was one of the old ones. He was on a coroner's table and regenerated back to life. It's not just that, but a man is 1.5 or 2 times stronger than a woman at the same respective strength level and she is not on his level even as a woman. Peak human for a woman is not the same as peak human for a man, but he might be between that and 2x peak. And, she has no weapons? Voorhies is far above Myers and Leatherface is more intelligent(in a Joker kind of way), but Myers is no slouch. He has average intelligence, great instincts(probably the best by any of these slashers), regeneration(probably depends on the type), and strength/durability not nearly approachable by humans.

Michael Myers @Savage Can't you see that they have to make Myers lose or there is no movie? Without a movie, there is no money. And, they have been lucrative, too. What would you do, if you had a char that was 5 times stronger than a person with regeneration and, yet, it would make a lot of money if that char loses? You know you would. That's exactly what they did by doing this. Myers has feats much greater than losing to a human without weapons. They've done the same thing in comics(with Superman, Batman, Spider-man, Hulk, etc.). They've made Superman much weaker so that he could be a match for many villains and heroes, including Venom(when Peter was Clark's coach). That's basically a non-canon comic book, which is what horror movies specialize in. If it were canon, whether Superman knew Venom's weakness or not, is irrelevant. Venom would lose easily no matter what he did except body snatch and Superman would have to get close at slow enough speed(something he has no reason to do for that to happen). Hulk was lowballed so that Bats and Spiderman could win on different occasions. Wolverine has beaten Lobo. And, many, many more in comics and movies. These "powers that be" are motivated to do a given thing and so it happens: that could be money, fans, boardroom solidarity, to appease different comic universes, politics or affirmative action, etc. In a horror movie, what is cannon is when they show feats like being hanged and surviving or being blown up and surviving. Not an uncanon act like losing to Laurie Strode or Busta Rhymes or some sweet char that would garner the sympathy of the public, because they only do that because of the money.

Michael Myers @R165 1. He is at least peak human, if not a little stronger. He could be somewhere between peak and 2x peak. He's been hanged and survived. That kills any person 99.98% of the time. When a person has survived that, it hasn't been due to strength, either. It was an error in the noose rope, someone rescuing them at the last moment, the victim being too tall, a miracle, or something else. So, for Myers to survive that because of his strength is a big deal. He's a zombie and as primal as a wild animal, so he does not lift for the sake of lifting. But, hanging tells you a lot about his strength. People do not penetrate his body without weapons, plot favor, explosions, or strong electricity*. 2. Laurie was given plot favor from the movie makers to win. She cannot beat him without it.

*And, he regenerates from those things. Sometimes, he has regenerated within hours after being killed. And, weaponless or unenhanced humans don't have enough to make him feel it.

Michael Myers @Lazada I think Leatherface is smarter than Myers, but Myers has incredible instincts and warms to the challenge. If you cannot take advantage of the opportunity(would take a superhuman to do this or someone with an applicable superpower or weapon), he'll eventually be blocking your attacks and defeat you. Still, during this time, the pressure is on his foe to hit him with only their best stuff, because he is very good at predicting mediocre moves and, eventually, nothing works. That's what I get from Myers in the Halloween films that I have seen or taped over the years, but the last one I owned was the one where young adults were in the Myers' family home overnight for footage/online purposes to get paid and Busta Rhymes and a hired goon were acting like Myers or putting placing props to scare people. But, then, the real Myers shows up. A few are easy for him. Anyway, the ones with some skill kick him and he easy takes it(momentum backs him up but he is seemingly unhurt), but eventually he warms up and predicts their move somewhere along the way. When he does that to a human, it's all over. This is the pattern in the movies that I saw. I've probably seen 4 over the years and watched 3 at great length. Having watched both chars, I think Hewitt is smarter that Myers, but Myers is more instinctive and Myers becomes tougher/more skilled as the fight progresses. Eventually, with Myers, if you are a human, nothing backs him up anymore and he grabs you so that killing is easy.

Michael Myers But, could he hurt him? It usually takes things like electricity(don't even know if a taser would be enough)* and possibly military or high caliber bullets(multiple shots). You should also be able to freeze him, as he is nearly a brick(but not quite as he has some fighting ability). Does Robin in his Robin identity have anything like that? Michael gets hit and backs up initially, but then eventually warms up to the task and gets a lot better skilled/tougher as the fight wears on. Not that he feels pain from human blows, but he has been backed up from hits and kicks before ending it. Plus, he doesn't tire.

*I think he has been stunned by an open/broken circuit hitting him before. That's was like a flood of electricity.

not voted If she has weapons in the movies stronger than a standard pistol or she has a sword weapon, she could. Myers is more vulnerable to attacks than Jason Voorhies. Still, he is not easily beaten by people(except for company motivations). So, she'd need a weapon, because she would not defeat him by just punching or kicking him.

Michael Myers @R165 Again, Laurie Strode is like those "teens" in Jason movies that they have to let win if they are going to make money in a horror film. Without it, there is no movie. And, in Myers movies, what better twist than to have his sister be the protagonist? It is very similar to how they have had to tone Superman down most of the time or he'd have no book. I mean, Titano has kryptonite vision, but how does Titano's blast even hit someone that can move several times the speed of sound in earth's atmosphere. He's only a monkey. Venom also once owned Superman for a long while despite having Spider-man as a coach. They do these kinds of things in movies or comics, because they have motivations for doing so and not because it's canon. But, what happens almost all of the time with Myers and these types of this battle? Look at the motivation factor and you will see. If I had a character and I would make a fortune to tone him/her down in certain spots, I certainly would. You would, too. That's their thinking; they are either motivated by money or comic voting between fans or so that there is solidarity between 2 comic companies.

Michael Myers @R165 I like your spirit, because I love seeing the underdog or unpopular being win. It makes whatever you are thinking about better and less boring*: a boxing example would be Tyson losing to Douglas(I was almost 11 years old when that happened). I love it how Ash would destroy many top shelf beings, because dust/dirt/sand are some kinds of distraction or impediment to breathing or a clogger of machines; but also, turning someone into dust would overrule regeneration. You can't regenerate from something that is against your nature. I like those things when they happen for real, as they make whatever less boring. However, you still have to have a bonafide means for it to happen. You can't just say that cheese defeats Wolverine. It's fun when an underdog can defeat a giant. But, you have to pick or find an underdog that can.

*If the popular ones win all of the time, then it would be boring and predictable.

Team Captain Marvel (Venomized) @Galactus I get it; for a moment, I had comics and the 90s series Jean mixed up with Jean of X-Men 3. In the original versions, the phoenix could separate, but in X-men 3 she could not. That had to be what I was thinking. I did apologize and I am sorry for making the mistake.

Team Captain Marvel (Venomized) @R165 @Galactus For some reason, I was missing the fact that they can separate, because the phoenix can separate from Jean. I knew this all along, but I was overlooking it here. Maybe for just a minute I merged X3 with the comics and 90s cartoon. My mistake. I am sorry.

Team Captain Marvel (Venomized) @R165 @Galactus I get that, but how do you separate the 2 when she becomes that if losing a battle. It's a part of who she is that manifests itself whenever she or her team is losing badly. It's as automatic as Banner becoming the Hulk. It's not like she has to put a suit on or take a serum for the upgrade; it's automatic if she is about to lose. She can't even control; it gets unleashed.

not voted @R165 Felicia's probability has no bearing on the powers that he possesses. Probability forces you to make unforced errors or have negative things happen out of nowhere that may cause you to lose--if relevant. It would generally mostly be applicable to those that are easily maimed or killed. Like the humans that it happened to in the Final Destination movies. For example, you might jump to avoid an attack and wind up slipping off the edge of the building and falling to your death. Or you might have a bird attack you as you were about to win that gave Felicia a chance that she doesn't otherwise have.

Team Captain Marvel (Venomized) Jean becomes the Phoenix to solo. You cannot separate the 2, unless you go back to the days of Marvel Girl. That's not the version used here. But, it's who she will become when a battle is against her team. You'd have to be more powerful than the phoenix or be able to nullify/counteract Jean in a way that stops her from transforming. I don't see that happening, since The phoenix is "like" a split personality and symbiote*(a part of her).

*You don't need to have the weaknesses that the Spider-man's symbiotes have nor be as limited in powers in order to be a symbiote. A symbiote simply a parasitic being and the phoenix holds this sort of relationship with Jean.

not voted This is uber one sided. One of the most one sided ever seen here. Nobody's on par with anyone else on side 2. Cyclops once cut a pure adamantium from one end to the other with a single blast and my guess is that--if he hits most of those chars on side 2--he could cause KOs or death(imagine the force to accomplish that in the speed of one blast), but he's not fast enough to hit them. Not even for their slowed down speeds on earth.. I DON'T THINK I'VE USED THIS, BUT THIS IS AN UBERSTOMP!

not voted Spider-man is used to 6 or more enemies; would the outcome be any different with these 6? He's not exactly alone, either. Would this increase his chances? Who takes it?

not voted @UnusOf2029 Don't feel bad, as I wish there was a way that I could vote side 2 myself. But they cannot win. They might as well be lawn furniture. 

Probability involves tripping and falling, losing/dropping something important, missing a landing of a jump, hurting yourself in a fight without cause, losing your grip without reason, having a weapon misfire/not work correctly, having a rope break for no reason, having an animal(s) show up to distract you without their being a reason for it/them to be there, or missing a shot, stuff like that. If you have watched the Final Destination movies, then those kinds of things. It would not nullify powers, though. As far as voting, I hate god battles where that he/she god would win. And, he definitely would and that's why I am not voting. DN would win, though.

not voted Gold, Silver, and Copper are like Mr. Fantastic, only they are made of their namesake element rather than skin.

not voted Wolverine has his claws, too. WHO WINS?

The First Lantern Man, you put me in a tight spot, as this is a god battle. The only reason that I am voting now is because I hate declining so many of your god battles. Please keep in mind that this was a very tough call and I almost declined. One's a lantern god and the other's a marvel god. I hate these god/satanic battle royales. Volthoom is almost unkillable, if at all. You'd have to be able to rewrite the sciences of the universe that he lives in to kill him. Otherwise, it's never over.

not voted I tried, but el diablo means the devil in Spanish. In my opinion, they'd win, so I cannot vote.

Team Ash (Milestone--Dakotaverse) @R165 I did as of now, but it used to be standard around here not to vote on your own battles or to ping your battles. And, I rarely did. Things can change, though, and I'm adjusting to the change. I even went back and voted on some of the old ones that I put up. I am going to your battles, but I was interrupted earlier and that's why I had not voted yet.

Team Ash (Milestone--Dakotaverse) @R165 They have Ameridroid, who is basically a supersized CA and shield bearer for the team. Captain America's shield protects him from a lot. Winter absorbs almost anything he can dish out and attack him with those attacks. Winter is a far better version of Sebastian Shaw on both level and types of attacks. And, on top of this, Ash manipulates matter into dust. If she has an opening, he's converted into dust.

Team Grifter What gives Side 1 the victory for me is not knowing the enemy and voice attacks at MACH speed(500-700 MPH). With prep, it goes side 2's way mostly, because superspeed and superagility can defeat a sonic scream if you're looking for it. However, it's not a prep fight. Therefore, BC catches Venom off guard.

Team Ash (Milestone--Dakotaverse) @R165 Why Thor when Ash is a combination of Dust(controls any dirt or sand like material into storms--would be a distraction at the least for Thor) and Chemistro(manipulates/turns anything living or not into dust). Then, Winter absorbs any attack at least to the sun level, including magic or kinetic. Ameridroid wouldn't do much offensively, but defensively he could block some attacks like a pro. Why Thor?

@R165 What about these? What do you think?

https://www.superherodb.com/team-ash-milestone-dakotaverse-vs-thor-captain-america/90-569367/

https://www.superherodb.com/team-ash-milestone-dakotaverse-vs-team-thor/90-569371/

not voted The only condition is--Lolita starts off tiny. But, she has a powerful scream as well.

Team Ash (Milestone--Dakotaverse) Battle takes places in a desert where Ash can really cut loose. She is like Dust and Chemistro both(line of sight powers). Winter absorbs vast amounts of energy of all kinds--including magic and kinetic(sun level or more). Ameridroid is Supersized Captain America.