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Loxblin
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Obi-Wan Kenobi & Anakin Skywalker Anakin can handle
Priion
Priion 7 mo 6 d
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Obi-Wan Kenobi & Anakin Skywalker George Lucas said that Ben Kenobi was stronger than Vader in ANW so Young Obi-Wan > Ben Kenobi so Young Obi-Wan > Vader. And there is no way this Luke can beat Obi-Wan.
Now Anakin had 20 years of training and Luke Skywalker (i suppose this is the sequel Luke) didnt even finish his training and is weaker than Vader so Anakin > Vader > Luke
When Anakin become Darth Vader he only got stronger with the Force because he was more machine than man. You can see his fighting style in the ROTS and in the Sequels. So Anakin is stronger.
So anyone on team 1 solos.
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 8 mo 19 d
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Obi-Wan Kenobi & Anakin Skywalker @Akhil do you still think Vader solos?
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AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 8 mo 19 d
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Obi-Wan Kenobi & Anakin Skywalker No, no I do not.
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 8 mo 19 d
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Obi-Wan Kenobi & Anakin Skywalker Good. I've already proven to @LordTracer that Anakin would beat both Luke and Vader individually https://www.superherodb.com/luke-skywalker-vs-darth-vader/90-96/
LordTracer
LordTracer 8 mo 19 d
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Darth Vader & Luke Skywalker Yeet, no the **** you didn't.
HolyJoe
HolyJoe 8 mo 19 d
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Obi-Wan Kenobi & Anakin Skywalker @LordTracer Sure has been a long time.
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 8 mo 19 d
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Obi-Wan Kenobi & Anakin Skywalker @Lord always be like https://imgflip.com/i/3luzhm

Go luk at our debate there and let me know if you still think I'm the worst debater or if I've surpassed you.
LordTracer
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Darth Vader & Luke Skywalker Denial my ass, you didn't convince me of either of those things. Glad to see your ego hasn't lessened any in the time I've been gone. Vader utterly reams Anakin. And hell no, you have not surpassed me. You even deleted all your comments to me on this page, now what does that say about you?
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 8 mo 19 d
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Obi-Wan Kenobi & Anakin Skywalker Well maybe if you actually read my reply you'd be convinced. I like how you claim I'm an egoist but your boyfriend is even worse off than I am
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When I said I surpassed you I was referring to our most recent debate on Luke vs Anakin about six months ago where you didn't reply and I basically proved that Vader wasn't 80 precent of Palpatine's speed since Darth Sloth can't even speed blitz Boba Fett as well as explained how Luke dosent scale to Vader and no Anakin is far above his burnt self

Fightsaber: describes Vader as a shell of his former self
The Rise of Darth Vader: explains how Vader's suit and injures make him weaker (why would his suit need to nerf him if he could only ever become 80 precent of his power? Keep in mind that the suit dose not weaken his connection to The Force if anything It strengthens his connection to the Dark Side because of the pain it cases him meaning he'll probably be a little bit more than 20 precent less powerful than Palps) as well as explaining how Vader is much "SLOWER" than Anakin so much so that Vader had to completely re-tool his fighting style.
RotS novel: literally describes Vader as less than half the man he once was (not exaggerating, it's literally said in the book).
So yeah, Anakin is much faster and has more raw power than his burnt self.
I deleted those comments a LONG time ago so you can't use that against me!

Because of how conflicted Vader was he couldn't fight Luke at full power nor did he want to. He was also weakened because he didn't have the same control over the Dark Side that he used to (meaning RotJ isn't Vader's prime). Oh, and it was also stated in the novel that The Force was literally on Luke's side amping him meaning that Luke was amped by it while Vader was weakened by two things and holding back willfully because he didn't know what he truly wanted, even then a heavily suppressed and weakened Vader forced an amped Luke to run and hide with Luke only winning because he caught Vader off guard with the Dark Side amp (Vader wasn't expecting him to power up like that) and blitzed Darth Sloth (something Anakin could also do) that's why he never got a chance to turn the fight in his favor despite clearly being strong enough to do that, meaning Luke only won via speed and the Element of surprise, speed, plus a whole lot of context, without it he wouldn't have been able to even come close to even matching Vader; so no Luke doesn't scale to Darth Sloth, Vader is only a few pegs above Dooku, and who beat a going all out Dooku with casual ease without amps? That's right Anakin Skywalker (you yourself said he didn't use the Dark Side to beat him merely only used it to behead him)! Anakin scales way above Dooku because of how easily he took him down while Luke doesn't even scale to Vader at all!
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LordTracer
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Darth Vader & Luke Skywalker #1: Nemian is not my boyfriend, the f**k are you on? And nice try deflecting and shifting the focus on someone else. That's called ducking, champ. Yeesh, now I'm remembering why I left in the first place...
#2: I didn't reply cause I left the damn site lmao, I know damn well you don't think last word = victory. And explain how Boba Fett is an anti-feat, when a pre-prime Jango Fett bodied a group of Jedi ON HIS OWN. Mandalorians scale to Jedi and Sith in speed, that's just a fact.
#3: Wow, you legit only used sources that describe Vader EVEN BEFORE A NEW HOPE. RotJ Vader utterly creampies Anakin, not even a question.
#4: I actually can use it against you, the fact that you deleted them (and only did so after I left) shows cowardice and that you aren't even confident in what you're saying. Sit your arrogant ass down somewhere.
#5: Your entire last bible chapter has literally nothing to do with the fact that Prime Vader bodies Anakin. And the fact that you keep calling Vader 'Darth Sloth' as if it's a point just shows you really haven't progressed one bit since I've left, have you?
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 8 mo 18 d
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Obi-Wan Kenobi & Anakin Skywalker 1: doth thee not understand sarcasm? Now answer the question: why is it okay when he dose it but not when I do it? See above for 6 examples of Nemian doing it?
2: then why wasn't the comment on your last 50 comments before you came back? Those Jedi were fodder unless you can prove otherwise even Kal from Jedi Fallen Order could beat them he'l Kylo Ren could likely beat them the same way he destroyed Luke's order. Even if Mandlorians scale to Jedi in speed why don't Jango's clones https://youtu.be/c0DOL50RqHQ? And if the amped clones can't even keep up with a youngling then how much less so would a normal clone (like Boba) be? Besides Boba dosen scale to Jedi, he gets blitzed by Luke and is more consistently scaling to Han Solo so unless you think Han is now MFTL then except it and see how this proves Luke could easily speed blitz Vader like he did to Fett
3: you do realize that training only increase your skill with your ability right? It doesn't increase your raw power meaning that based on this Vader will never be more than half of Anakin. Anakin had like 15 years of training as a Jedi with more than three of those years being during a brutal war in which he was literally going on missions every other day and any free time he had was spent practicing and trying to improve himself so he could beat Dooku. This is all relevant because all of this training in the Force still carried over into his burnt Vader life as well as his knowledge of lightsaber combat, the only thing he had to do was re-tool it to fit his new needs which should have only taken him a few years at most, he's had about 20 years (where he spent almost all that time either practicing or hunting down Jedi as seen in Dark Times) by the time of ANH which means he has about 35 years of experience and training under his belt and despite all of this, he was still stated to be less than the man he once was and compared to a composer gone deaf or a painter gone blind. This leads me to ask a question: do you have any proof he somehow leveled up after ANH? And 2: do you not realize that RotJ Vader was weakened due to not having the same command over the Dark Side he once had? Meaning I was right ESB was Vader's prime and he has a few low end speed showings I'd like to mention in a few. George Lucas explained the in universe reason for why the prequels have better cornography than the originals because "we've never seen true Jedi, all we saw were old men (Old Kenobi), "CRIPPLED" half droid half humans (Vader), and boys who learned from the old guys." This all implies Vader is < Anakin. And no, Palpatine created Vader's suit to nerf him, if he were to come anywhere close to his full power then Palpatine would instantly add some other way to nerf him down which means he's still < Anakin unless you can prove with feats otherwise. Now I ask you if vader was more agile and had more raw power than Anakin then why didn't he use a fighting style more like what he had during the Clone War?
4: you have no proof that I deleted them "after you left" heck I did it before you left so get over it! Besides they were poorly written comments with bad grammar and even worse spelling so why the he'l do you care?
5: you mean that fact that I haven't ever seen evidence for? Dooku was able to contend with Yoda twice (this puts him within the same level as Vader) and Anakin bodied Dooku so yes Anakin has feats of bodying people on Vader's tier while Vader has a history of being bodied by people faster than him and with more raw power (like unburned Anakin) than him.
6: even Palpatine knows who's superior between the two https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f87aaa6c27209124bc8e2722bfc85e3b and in TFU Palpatine says "kill him he was weak" except it, Anakin (while mentally hindered) would have destroyed Kenobi on Mustifar while Vader nearing his prime was basically stalemated by a much older post prime Kenobi.

Essential Guide to Characters wrote:
Teacher and pupil engaged in a savage but evenly matched lightsaber battle.

Mysteries Of The Jedi wrote:
Although Obi-Wan is still a match for Darth Vader, he allows himself to be killed in the duel, giving Luke and the Rebels precious time to escape.
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Dark_Wing
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Obi-Wan Kenobi & Anakin Skywalker My Anakin > Vader sources:

1: Star Wars Insider 86 has Poblo Hidalgo saying: "Not only is the blue lightning no longer an innovation, Luke's inability to counter it, as Yoda did in Episode III, may give the audiences even more reason to worry -Luke is not that powerful a Jedi."

2: 'Darth Vader was encased in sinister black armor. The man underneath was mortally wounded in a lightsaber duel, and the dark suit includes extensive machinery to keep Vader alive. The sounds of his mechanical lungs accompany his every step. "Such injuries greatly diminished his ability to use the Force, but Vader is still very powerful" _Star Wars Encyclopedia - Darth Vader.

3: "An epic duel made impossible by time. The fully grown Jedi Knight Luke Skywalker crosses lightsabers with Anakin Skywalker before his brutal defeat on Mustafar. Both Skywalkers are at the peak of their powers." (RotS Anakin is described as at his peak of power not Vader) _Star Wars Head-To-Head

4: "Now he's half-machine and half-man so he's lost a lot of the power of the Force and a lot of his ability to become more powerful than the Emperor." _ Empire Strikes Back George Lucas DVD commentary

5: Here https://images.app.goo.gl/v4tJ4Tp6AJU3sPX69 it's said Vader's hinderance (his suit and injuries) will weaken him for life meaning not even your lord and savior RotJ Vader or his son are even close to Anakin or Windu.

Add these to the sources I've already shown ⬆️ and you'll see why Anakin and Kenobi are > Vader and Luke.

Near prime Vader was also nearly outperformed by a clone of Maul who was said by authors to be = to TFM Maul in Star Wars tales #14 and was stalemated by a much weaker and out of practice Kenobi so...
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Dark_Wing
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Obi-Wan Kenobi & Anakin Skywalker Hmm someone doesn't like being proven wrong.
Jakcj
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Darth Vader & Luke Skywalker Darth Vader is superior to Obi Wan in this prime. If Obi Wan can defeat Anakin probably Luke could too.
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LordTracer
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Darth Vader & Luke Skywalker Literally nobody else thought it was, and it's irrelevant because it's exactly the same character.
AkhilPDX
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Obi-Wan Kenobi & Anakin Skywalker Could Darth Vader solo @LordTracer? I mean, Anakin is his past self, but Vader is much stronger now.
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LordTracer
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Darth Vader & Luke Skywalker Yes, Vader solos with ease. As does Luke.
LordTracer
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Darth Vader & Luke Skywalker Nice assumptions ya got there. Too bad they're incorrect. I like Anakin just as much as I like Vader, and Luke isn't anywhere near my top ten until the NJO era. And I have Anakin as relative, maybe slightly beneath Windu, so no, I don't lowball him.

You simply cannot get off my d**k, can you? Don't you think it's time to find a different obsession? Or just stop being an irritating ******* with an ego the size of Jupiter?
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 7 mo 27 d
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Obi-Wan Kenobi & Anakin Skywalker I sense much hypocrisy within you @LordTracer as you also have an ego heck I merely copied something you said to @Kluba and I likely learned my nonexistent ego from you @Tracer. You need to quit attacking me everytime you don't have a rebuttal for me. And yes you do downplay Anakin and Obi-Wan and Dooku by ignoring that Dooku was able to keep up with Yoda for quite some time despite being exhausted from fighting both Padwan Anakin and Obi Wan which was stated in Star Wars Fact Files 103 and 57. Yoda wasn't holding back at all which is proven by the AotC script, SWFF 86, and Star Wars Insider Magazine #122, Anakin matching Obi Wan isn't PIS because the only reason Dooku could throw around Kenobi was because Palpatine helped him which was implied in the movie and he never tried the same against Anakin which would likely have worked, both Obi Wan and Anakin are superior to Dooku as stated in the RotS novel where it's said Dooku was scared of Obi Wan's skills she and had to use the Force on him because he couldn't beat him in a swordfight and Anakin proved superior to Dooku by bodying him in the movie. This all makes Anakin and Kenobi pears of Yoda as duelists meanwhile Darth Sloth is matched by Boba Fett (who is an anti feat because he dosent scale to Force users, he like all other Jango clones is just a human, he was blitzed by a casual Luke and constantly scales to Han Solo) and post prime Kenobi who completely stalemated him

Essential Guide to Characters wrote:
Teacher and pupil engaged in a savage but evenly matched lightsaber battle.

Mysteries Of The Jedi wrote:
Although Obi-Wan is still a match for Darth Vader, he allows himself to be killed in the duel, giving Luke and the Rebels precious time to escape.

Oh, and you have been kind enough to admit Anakin and Kenobi are on the same level as Mace Windu who was ON PAR with Palpatine in speed, agility, and swordsmanship. Palpatine did not "throw the fight to turn Anakin" both the George Lucas commentary on RotS and the RotS script prove that Palpatine didn't throw the fight and just think for a second for all Palpatine knew he could have been killed just to remind you he was being held at arms length by a blade of plasma wielded by one of the most powerful Jedi of the Clone Wars era. Do you still think Vader surpassed Windu. So yes you don't scale Kenobi and Anakin to there fullest potentials. Oh, and you have been kind enough to admit Anakin is on the same level as Mace Windu who was ON PAR with Palpatine in speed, agility, and swordsmanship. Palpatine did not "throw the fight to turn Anakin" both the George Lucas commentary on RotS and the RotS script prove that Palpatine didn't throw the fight and just think for a second for all Palpatine knew he could have been killed just to remind you he was being held at arms length by a blade of plasma wielded by one of the most powerful Jedi of the Clone Wars era.


I've said a lot more in our debate from 5 months ago here https://www.superherodb.com/luke-skywalker-vs-darth-vader/90-96/. So if you want to finish it plz keep it contained. And the reply I left here ⬆️ that you haven't replied to despite likely having seen it because you know you can't win.
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LordTracer
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Darth Vader & Luke Skywalker And once again, you try to shift it onto someone else once you get called out for being egotistical. You need to quit thinking you're this god of debating.

Also I love how you still claim I downplay Anakin and Kenobi yet gave zero evidence to support that claim. Assumptions, once again.

I've literally said Dooku is Windu-Yoda level, what the hell are you on? Again, making assumptions with zero evidence behind them.

I'm well aware Sidious didn't throw the fight against Windu, and yes, Vader clearly did surpass Windu considering that RotS Anakin was already Windu level AS STATED MORE THAN ONCE BY WINDU HIMSELF, and Vader surpassed RotS Anakin, as was also stated multiple times. Funny enough, in the Shatterpoint novel, Windu stated three times that Kar Vastor was stronger than him and that he couldn't beat Vastor. Guess who Windu directly compared Vastor's power to? Yoda AND ANAKIN.

Also funny enough, Vastor was stated to be just as strong in the Force as Cronal. So Cronal is also Yoda-Anakin level. And guess who Cronal was stated to ALMOST be as powerful as? RotJ Sidious. Which further proves Sidious > Yoda and Mace.

And there you go with that ego again. For your information, no, I haven't seen it, because I didn't care. You think the first thing I thought about when I got back here was you? No. Even though clearly, you can't stop thinking about me.

Mate, if you can't get your own head out of your ass, then stop attempting to contest me. I'm tired of it, and many other people are tired of it as well.
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Dark_Wing
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Obi-Wan Kenobi & Anakin Skywalker I'm not trying to shift the blame on to someone else, I'm just asking the question why the he'l is it OK when you and Nemian show egoism but I've apparently sinned against humanity when I do it? What's the double standard around here? Oh, wait, I know: hypocrisy https://imgflip.com/i/3o3hxb and when have I ever said I'm a god of debating? Tho now that you mention it I know who has said just that but alas I shall not say because I'm allergic to hypocrites.

I freaking gave evidence for you lowballing him and Obi Wan in my comment above by providing examples! Are you freaking blind?

Actually you have said (even on this page) that Dooku is much weaker than Vader despite Dooku being a bear equal to Yoda who was superior to Palpatine who at best Vader is 80 precent of and he's not even that as I've proven on the Luke vs Vader page. It's also been stated that Vader was weaker then Anakin, even Vader himself has said this?

He said Vastor was stronger than him yet he still outperformed him while mortally wounded, likely exhausted from his fight with Kanan's master (a fight in which he literally turned off his lightsaber and let himself be stabbed in the chest), and at a disadvantage because Vastor was not only pretty fresh but he was also younger and more physically able (which Mace has acknowledged). Despite all this Mace still won. Oh, didn't Kar struggle against Rebellion era Luke in Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor? And wasn't Lord Cronal defeated by RotJ level Luke who was nowhere near Palpatine's level as a Force user? Neither Vastor nor Cronal have feats to back up there hype and if it weren't for there statements, they'll be Ahsoka level (this last part where I said they were Ahsoka level is a troll bty). Oh, and RotJ Palpatine had over 25 years of non stop Dark Side study compared to his RotS counterpart. So no, Clone War era Windu is still = Clone War era Palpatine.

"For your information, no, I haven't seen it, because I didn't care"

Well you should check it out and quit saying I'm in denial about "Luke being > Anakin" when I literally just proved my point.

"No. Even though clearly, you can't stop thinking about me."

Actually I almost forgot about you before you returned so you can quit making assumptions.

Now answer the question: do you still think I'm the worst debater?
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LordTracer
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Darth Vader & Luke Skywalker Literally nobody said it was okay for Nemian to do that. Now stop shifting this shiz just because you get upset when I call you out on being egotistical. And don't call hypocrisy when literally nobody said it was okay for Nemian, that just makes you look like an insolent child. And tell me where I said you explicitly said you were a god of debating? Oh right, never happened, I said you ACTED like it. Pay actual attention to what I say and don't misconstrue my words, thanks.

You literally didn't, mate. Although I gave actual evidence to show I don't, so...

You have not once proven Vader is not 80% of Sidious, especially when a multitude of feats and statements support that. And Yoda was not superior to Sidious, WHICH YOU HAVE SAID YOURSELF, don't act like you have different views just to win an argument, that makes you look like a trash debater. There's far more statements about Vader IN HIS PRIME being stronger than Anakin. I know you like to overlook that whole fact about it being in his prime.

Mace literally said there was no way he could beat Vastor, even at 100%. So nice try. Vastor is factually above Mace. Vastor and Cronal absolutely have feats to back up their hype, if you think they don't, you simply have not been paying attention (which isn't unusual for you). And tell me how RotJ Luke beating them is an anti-feat, WHEN YOU HAVE SAID YOURSELF that RotJ Luke is equal to Vader. Stop trying to act like you have different views than you do.

Prove I ever explicitly said you were in denial. Please, give me screenshots of that because I'd love to see it. And I literally saw you talkin' s**t before I announced that I was back, don't try to lie now.

Literally never said you were the worst, once again you're making assumptions about things I literally never said.

So I'm gonna repeat what I said last time: if you can't get your own head out of your ass, then stop attempting to contest me. I'm tired of it, and many other people are tired of it as well.
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 7 mo 8 d
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Obi-Wan Kenobi & Anakin Skywalker Then why haven't you ever rode his tail like you do mine when comparing me to him or Sora (who's Evan worse) is like comparing a person who occasionally lies in order to get out of life or death situations to a freaking con artist. I get upset when people bring up crap that doesn't exist or when they exhibit hypocrisy like you.

You constantly say Kenobi and Anakin are fodder to Vader despite the fact that there both pears of Yoda while Darth Sloth has no feats on that level. You constantly try to say Obi Wan being equal to Anakin is PIS just because in RotS when they fought Dooku, Dooku only tried to use the Force on Obi Wan. never on Anakin; even then it's implied in the movie that Palpatine helped Dooku and the RotS novel says that Dooku couldn't outperform Obi Wan in a saber duel so he resorted to Force based attacks which exhausted him which is why Anakin beat him so easily so no, Kenobi beating Anakin is not PIS! Oh, and you CONSTANTLY say Anakin and Obi Wan are fodder to Vader when Vader was stalemated by a 'POST PRIME' Obi Wan. I may be able to find more examples but as of now these are you biggest offenses.

Go to the Luke vs Vader page in which I explain why Sloth's near prime anti feats are valid for reasons I've explained there unless you can prove he got mega growth over the OT. Oh, and Luke was equal to Vader and Palpatine could have turned him into a jaded skeleton with one blast if he want to which was said by George Lucas meaning he could do the same to the sloth. Yoda was a superior lightsaber duelist and physical combatant which was what I meant. Also I find it noteworthy that the Dark Side is stronger than the light which is evident by Anakin going from Dooku level to bodying Dooku or when Luke went from at most being equal to Vader to physically overpowering him once he used the Dark Side; this is relevant because Palpatine is fully submerged in the Dark Side while Yoda completely denies his Dark Side strength as shown in TCW and ESB. Oh, and I forgot to mention that Count Dooku had reason to believe a Dark Side Yoda would be stronger than Darth Sidious. And Palpatine and Yoda were only equals within the context of the duel which had the balance of the Force shift greatly towards the Dark Side putting Palpatine at an advantage while Yoda at a disadvantage.

There's a large plethora of different statements (even from Lucas and Poblo) that put both Vader beneath Anakin (see above on this page). I don't overlook him being in his prime, I just acknowledge the fact that A: Anakin has better feats and B: that there is no freaking way he could go from Old Ben and Boba Fett level to surpassing Anakin in just four years when as I said on the Luke vs Vader page "he had been a Jedi for 14 years and a Sith for 20 years meaning he already had 34 years of experience and unless he buys EA Vader DLC or trains in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, he has no reason to just level up like you're assuming." Oh, and if Vader was superior to Anakin then why was Luke with less than a third of the experience and less than a tenth of the training able to equal him? It doesn't make sense unless you think Luke is the OT version of Rey (which he probably is). Now prove that Vader experienced mega growth between ANH and RotJ and prove with feats he's 80 percent of Palpatine.

Is that why Mace outperformed him while at the disadvantages I said above? If Bruce Lee said I was his superior yet outperformed me while mortally wounded then would you still believe his statement heck would he still think I'm his superior after doing that? Also didn't Mace only say that when Kar was on Haruun Kal which is a Force nexus? If there was a light side nexuses that so strong it made Ahsoka stronger than prime Sith Jason Solo while on it and EU Kylo Ren acknowledges this before being injured to the point where he can't even beat his inferior sister yet still outperforms Ahsoka while on that nexus. Then what do you say? LoL I'm sorry, I just had so much fun making the analogy, I'm sorry. What feats do they have to back there hype? RotJ Luke is an anti feat because the Sloth isn't nearly as impressive as you think he is neither is the son of the Sloth; I can debunk Luke being equal to Vader if I needed to but as of now. And if anything Vader being matched someone who only has about a tenth of his training and combat experience is an anti feat in of itself and further shows how superior Anakin is to the burnt shell of his former self.

"I literally saw you talkin' s**t before I announced that I was back, don't try to lie now. "

Feel free to post your screenshot of be saying crap. Luke vs Vader page for you.
LordTracer
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Darth Vader & Luke Skywalker I literally have, maybe if you were on Discord you'd realize that. AND STOP TRYING TO CHANGE THE VIEW FROM YOURSELF. All you do when someone actually calls you out is try to change the argument to someone else. Accept your own damn problems. If all you're going to do is shift this onto other people, then don't even bother responding because I don't want to hear it.

Consistent screenshots where I said they're fodder to Vader? If anyone treats anyone like fodder, it's you to Vader. You ignore how powerful he truly is and childishly call him Darth Sloth, showing that you really have no idea what he can truly do. Also you're out of your goddamn mind if you think Kenobi is a peer of YODA. Yoda implied himself that Kenobi was far weaker than him. Kenobi being equal to Anakin is PIS not only because of the Dooku fight, but because Anakin is consistently portrayed as above Kenobi. And the fact that Dooku overwhelmed Kenobi through the Force, yet is incapable of doing so to anyone on Anakin's level further shows that Anakin is far stronger. Plus he was emotionally handicapped during the fight on Mustafar. And once again you (idiotically) act like ANH Vader = RotJ Vader, when that's objectively false.

I've proven numerous times that RotJ Vader >>> ANH Vader, you have given NOTHING that implies the contrary. And Luke was stated in the novel to have actually deflected some of Sidious' bolts, and Vader withstood Sidious' lightning for quite a while despite his suit being weak to lightning, so you have no point there. The dark side is not stronger than the light, the fact that The Son and The Daughter are consistent equals shows this.

Every single statement of Anakin > Vader is from before Vader's prime, therefore they are invalid as prime Vader has numerous statements putting him above Anakin. Your argument from incredulity doesn't mean s**t. RotJ Vader got stronger. Find evidence to the contrary or deal with it. And ffs, actually pay attention to what I say and stop making me repeat myself. Vader > Cronal, who was almost as powerful as Sidious. Vader > Kar Vastor, who was relative to Cronal. Vader > DE Luke, who could briefly contend with Sidious. He has consistent feats on that level. Are you ready to accept that fact, or do you want to deny evidence some more?

Mace is still consistently said to be beneath Vastor, and Vastor (and the people he's compared to) have consistent statements supporting that. And what the hell are you even talking about, Ahsoka never fought Caedus. If you're gonna talk nonsense, then I'd suggest you follow my previous advice and be silent. Again being an ignorant child by calling Vader a sloth, and no evidence given as to why RotJ Luke beating them is an anti-feat (because it isn't). Oh, there's also the fact that LUKE DIDN'T BEAT EITHER OF THEM. Hell, Vastor was described as ragdolling Luke. Once again, you're making s**t up.

Now, I'm gonna tell you one last time. Stop being annoying, or stop replying.
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Obi-Wan Kenobi & Anakin Skywalker I've already explained why I did that.

Get the screenshots from here and a battle I made Anakin and Obi Wam vs Darth Vader in which you say and I quote the fallowing "Kenobi is fodder to Vader and so is Skywalker." I call him that because of how much people like you [email protected] him despite the fact that he doesn't have feats to put him on 80 precent of Palpatine's power, in fact he has at least three anti feats to put him beneath that. Don't put words in my mouth! I never said Kenobi peer of Yoda, I said he was a peer of him as a swordsman; I'll quote directly from you "better dueling skills does not equal superior power" so no Kenobi ain't Yoda level as a Force user but as a duelist he is. How has Anakin constantly been above Kenobi? Dooku was exhausted from throwing Kenobi as said in the RotS novel and he couldn't do that to Anakin because A: Palpatine told him not to B: he was exhausted from throwing Obi Wan C: the Dark Side amped Anakin to the point where Dooku couldn't and E: Anakin never gave him a chance to, all he did was just unleashed his full rage on him which didn't give him time to try that. Where's your proof he was "emotionally handicapped?" I never once said ANG Vader was equal to RotJ Vader, I said there is no reason for him to have improved "that much" meaning your "he wasn't in his prime" excuse is Bantha crap.


You've said that but you've never provided evidence, I know he got stronger but not by as much as you think unless you can prove otherwise. Palpatine was completely toying with Luke because he wanted the Jedi to suffer for saying no when his father said yes; even you have said this before. Vader withstood the lightning because it wasn't focused at him, besides the Vader suit isn't nearly as weak to it as many people think it is. If the Dark Side isn't stronger in s combative sense then why were Anakin, Obi Wan, Mace, Galen, and Luke noticeably stronger once they used the Dark Side heck Mace even created a style that used the Dark Side. So...

I would post my statements but scroll upwards on this page to see them. I find it funny that you haven't because you know you'll be proven wrong. Again you have yet to prove that he actually experienced a massive level up like you claimed and I've provided facts to suggest that it wasn't a big boost so try proving it wrong for once. Where's your proof Vader is above Cronal? When was Cronal said to be comparable to Palpatine? Where's your proof that Vader was above Vastor? And for Asgard's sake please prove that Vader is above DE Luke you yourself said DE Luke can solo both Knightfall Vader and suited Vader at the same time! I can argue RotJ Luke is equal to Vader so...

Then why did he beat him up while at a disadvantage? And what other statements? Besides does Vastor have any feats to put him above Windu? And you're still forgetting that this whole argument ignores the fact that RotJ Palpatine had more than 20 years of non stop Dark Side study and saber practice so it makes sense that he'll be stronger than someone who was actually a very slight inferior to him in RotS. I was trolling with the Ahsoka thing which I'd though was obvious since i purposely called your husbando "JASON" rather than his name which is spelled "Jacen." Do you not have to IQ to get a troll? Now answer the point: If Bruce Lee said I was his superior yet outperformed me while mortally wounded then would you still believe his statement heck would he still think I'm his superior after doing that? I never said Luke beat Vastor! You were the one who claimed I

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Dark_Wing
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Obi-Wan Kenobi & Anakin Skywalker Oh, and I forgot to me that Fightsaber said Vader lacks the polish of lifelong masters like Dooku and Mace so...
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LordTracer
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Darth Vader & Luke Skywalker Obi-Wan Kenobi v. Darth Vader^
Anakin Skywalker v. Luke Skywalker^
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LordTracer
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Darth Vader & Luke Skywalker Anakin does not beat Luke, and even if he did, it certainly wouldn't be casually. Luke scales to Vader, who is superior to Anakin.
EmptyHand
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Obi-Wan Kenobi & Anakin Skywalker @Darkwing they also have the high ground
LordTracer
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Darth Vader & Luke Skywalker Yes, Vader was holding back. But Luke still scales to him, and he did defeat Vader after getting enraged. So Luke > Anakin.
LordTracer
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Darth Vader & Luke Skywalker Vader is a lot stronger than Dooku though. And considering that Kenobi in his prime could only match a hindered Vader on Mustafar, he'd definitely go down to Vader in his prime with relative ease.
LordTracer
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Darth Vader & Luke Skywalker Return of the Jedi was Vader's prime. And Anakin only stomped Dooku when he went into his "Zonakin" state, which wouldn't even help that much since as of RotJ, Vader isn't overwhelmingly slower than Anakin. And again, Kenobi is easy work for Vader and if Luke for some reason can't take Anakin on his own, Vader would help him dominate.
LordTracer
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Darth Vader & Luke Skywalker "Zonakin" is a fanmade term for when Anakin goes off on somebody like he did with Dooku. And Kenobi is actually one of the weakest Force wielders of his era, which was actually stated. And he would take a hard L from Vader, since Kenobi is comparable to a pre-prime Vader and he's going against Vader in his prime. Anakin is only more relentless than Luke. But Luke is stronger, faster and more powerful.
LordTracer
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Darth Vader & Luke Skywalker Luke scales to Vader, who is stronger than Anakin. So Luke > Anakin. And when Luke was enraged, he was pretty much blitzing Vader, who was somewhat relative to Anakin in speed, so Luke > Anakin. And Vader beats both Kenobi and Anakin in experience.
LordTracer
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Darth Vader & Luke Skywalker Vader was having a very hard time blocking Luke's strikes, and got knocked to the ground. And no, Kylo Ren would get his ass handed to him by RotJ Luke. He scales to Vader, I can compare him to Vader. And that's only RotJ. I haven't even brought up anything from The Thrawn Trilogy, where Luke was much stronger.
LordTracer
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Darth Vader & Luke Skywalker First of all, The Thrawn Trilogy was a f***in' masterpiece. Second of all, you're trying to use real world logic to justify your claims, which does not work. Third of all, I don't care if TTT is "not canon," I use EU feats for every character unless explicitly stated otherwise. Finally, the prequel era Jedi are not stronger than than everything afterwards, are you kidding me? The New Jedi Order would absolutely demolish the Old Jedi Order.
EmptyHand
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Obi-Wan Kenobi & Anakin Skywalker r/ woosh this whole debate
LordTracer
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Darth Vader & Luke Skywalker You literally said; "return of the Jedi came out in the 80s Star Wars was just beginning they didn't know how powerful anakin would be in the comics." If this wasn't meant to be reasoning for putting Anakin above Luke, then what was even the point of saying it?
EmptyHand
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Obi-Wan Kenobi & Anakin Skywalker Team 1 wins cause they have high ground

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