The One-Above-AllvsThe Presence

The Presence That was in Vertigo which is non-cannon to DC. Much like infinity conflict in Marvel, it doesn’t apply to DC at all.

The One-Above-All TOAA is omnipotent so he wins

The Presence



The Presence is Grant Morrison who is a DC writer so The Presence is omnipotent.

Neutral So does The Presence...

The Presence then why did AR thanos beat him?

The One-Above-All @hbn That was The Above-All-Others.

The Presence What's the difference?

The Presence @HolyJoe they are the same thing

The One-Above-All They are not.

The Presence Actually he is. I get that people must think he isn't omnipotent since in Vertigo he stalemated the GEB, he admitted he was shaped by external forces, he was once killed by the archangel Gabriel, and that Lucifer managed to evade his plans, but here's the thing: Vertigo is non-cannon to DC. All of that happened in Vertigo and know the fact that Vertigo is discontinued. In the main DC Omniverse, The Presence is portrayed as the writer by Grant Morrison in one of the Animal Man series and is completely omnipotent. Now, TOAA isn't the writer and I know this for a fact. Remember when you see Jack Kirby? That wasn't TOAA because his name was never mentioned ONCE during that scene or comic, ever. Much like Animal Man ran into Grant Morrison, they all ran into Jack Kirby and he has absolutely nothing to do with TOAA. It is suggested that is TOAA, but his name was never mentioned which means TOAA isn't the writer. Protege managed to duplicate TOAA's powers and Eternity states that Protege has the ability to become omnipotent and that actually happened once just like he duplicated TOAA's powers. In DC, The Presence was holding a paint brush in Heaven which means he is the writer. So Presence>TOAA

The Presence TOAA isn't omnipotent either

Neutral in marvel

The Presence only in the marvel multiverse

The Presence In Marvel? Yes. In DC? No.

The Presence really? most people are picking TOAA just because of his name.

The Presence Are you surprised? Marvel is overrated by the word itself. Maybe that explains why people are picking TOAA.

The Presence There is no solid argument for either

The One-Above-All If you think that vote neutral

The Presence writers of vertigo said that Lucifer is above the writers them selves and the presence is much much more than Lucifer , one-above-all=writers

The One-Above-All One Above All = Stan Lee Stan Lee >>>than any writer

The One-Above-All Yeah Tori-bot isn’t even omnipotent he’s more like a gag character

The One-Above-All But I heard ToriBot is the representation of Akira Toriyama(creator and the Mangaka of Dragon Ball franchises)
The Presence is the representation of Grant Morrison(DC writers,...)
The One Above All is the representation of Stan Lee,Jack Kirby,Steve Dikto(Marvel writers and creator,...)

The Presence Here’s the thing about The One Above All. We really don’t know anything about him. He’s had a few mentions where the Living Tribunal has said he’s the only person he answers to. And we’ve had a couple of appearances where it’s been attributed to him.

For example, the Fantastic Four once visited “Heaven” and saw someone there that looked like Jack Kirby. This person demonstrated a control over reality by using an eraser to start erasing Reed’s face. No where is “The One Above All” mentioned. Nor does it explicitly state that he is “God”. It’s very highly suggested that he is God, but not necessarily the One Above All.

The next biggest appearance we have is what you have pictured. That was in a Spider-Man comic. Spider-Man was doubting his worth and whether everything he did was worth it. So this homeless guy who seemed to know everything takes a walk with Peter. Again, The One Above All isn’t mentioned. Nor is “God”. Just, again, highly suggested that it’s “God”.

Now, since we know that there is a “One Above All” and we know that he is the singular most powerful entity in Marvel. It is easy to make the leap that any reference to “God” is a reference to the One Above All. This may or may not be the case. Both of those appearances are solo. They exist in and of themselves without really being connected to anything else. No references or connections at all.

So no, he’s not Stan Lee or even Jack Kirby. He just isn’t.

The Presence what an omniponent charecter toaa is

The Presence TOAA, "I am the one above all others as I am above omnipotence."

Presence holds up a regulator at TOAA and states, "You can say that again. Resistance is futile."

TOAA, "NO!!!."

Marvel fans still believe TOAA wins even after defeat only because Marvel is overrated. Marvel children in a nutshell.

Just like Ron White said, “You can’t fix stupid.”

The Presence Agreed..but why does the presence show nigh-ominpotent??he should have omnipotent powers,that's his powers

The Presence Vertigo isn't cannon to the main DCU. Even Wikipedia states it. So basically how everyone thought The Presence was killed by Gabriel, and how he stalemated GEB, and how he passed his powers down to Elaine, all of that isn't cannon to the main DCU. It doesn't even affect the main DCU at all just like it stated in Wikipedia. Vertigo is discontinued as well. Much like the Infinity Conflict that showed TOAA isn't omnipotent, that wasn't cannon either. If we compare both Vertigo and Infinity Conflict, still The Presence > TOAA because if you were listening to The Presence talking to Lucifer about the Buddha story, it proves he is one with the Overvoid and you just can't top someone or something that is one with a place or area that is unable to exist. What I'm saying is The Presence's tier is greater than TOAA. Now if we both include the cannon stories DC and Marvel, The Presence is still greater by just one reason: Protege duplicated TOAA's powers proving to us TOAA just isn't omnipotent. Second of all, when you see Jack Kirby, never was TOAA's name mentioned, ever. So, no TOAA isn't the writer. Now in DC, you see The Presence in Heaven holding a paint brush in one of the Animal Man series, so The Presence is Grant Morrison who is a DC writer. Therefore, I think that is what says it all right there that The Presence's tier is by far greater than TOAA.

The One-Above-All Presence is not omnipotent

The Presence Nor is TOAA, so...

The One-Above-All Still Toaa > Presence

The Presence Hmmm...
I think it should be more like: Presence>GEB>Michael=Lucifer=Gabriel=Elaine>TOAA

The Presence @Monster neither TOAA is.

The Presence ^^

The Presence @MoNsTeR TOAA even admitted he isn’t omnipotent, so...

The Presence The Presence too.

The Presence Mike Carey already mentioned that was a reference to the writers so really it doesn’t count. The Presence is more omnipotent than TOAA.

The Presence @EnDico Presence also.

The Presence Neyther one nor other are omnipotent.

The Presence @pedrofOMAIOR that's what I said.

The Presence ok downplayer

The Presence The One Above All sure does have infinite power...In a stable multiverse.

The One Above All, however, loses his powers when a regulator is out of place. Sorry, but regulators are what grant him his omnipotence or should I say, "Nigh-Omnipotence".

Regulator>TOAA

However, The Presence literally held everything in his hand. Everything. The whole Omniverse and all of infinite realities. The Presence is high outerversal and created the Omniverse, and TOAA is the multiverse itself when regulators are on a higher scale proven.



Presence>>>Regulator>>>TOAA

Presence murderstomps TOAA.

The Presence tell that to AR thanos

The Presence Mike Carey already mentioned that The Presence was only breaking the fourth wall which is a reference to the writers. Plus, that makes The Presence even more omnipotent since The Presence is aware of who is writing him even as the supreme creator of the DC Omniverse and beyond. Grant Morrison, however, claimed that The Overvoid and God are the same so you may consider The Presence as the writer. But either way, he/she is way more omnipotent than TOAA.

FYI, if you really want some proof that TOAA is only nigh-omnipotent, read the infinity conflict.

The One-Above-All @endico dude you haven’t kept up with marvel. Have you? Starlin was fired and infinity conflict has been made non-cannon

And not to mention that Presence got killed by rox ogama

The Presence You may want to think twice on what you just said. Lucifer already made it clear that it was only another setup by The Presence and his plan.



Referring to the Infinity Conflict, it still doesn't change the fact that TOAA was defeated. Did TOAA show any impressive feats? No, other than eating a burger with Peter Parker. Did The Presence show any impressive feats? The Presence held the entirety of creation (AKA Omniverse) in just one hand. So, your the one who is missing out right now on DC, not me. Did I not mention Protege also took TOAA's position at one point?



The Presence>>>Michael=Lucifer=Gabriel=Elaine>>>TOAA

TOAA should be renamed to TOAM (AKA, The One Above Most).

The One-Above-All Lmfao presence > michael = lucifer =gabriel=elaine>>> Toaa :D

The Presence If Michael, Lucifer, Gabriel, and Elaine all merged their powers, they would squash TOAA. But even then, they would still mean nothing to The Presence since he/she is their creator and granted them their powers so The Presence is far greater than TOAA just by default. So, The Presence murderstomps TOAA.

The One-Above-All @endico dude the presence was also killed by Rox Ogama



The dying god left your universe defenceless wounded.

And no Rox ogama isn’t referring to Darkseid as the radiant and spectre vanished it was stated that Radiant and Spectre won’t vanish until Yahweh perishes first



And the same rox ogama died to a few lanterns and supermen



Which makes presence even more fodder.

Toaa one-shots Miachel lucifer presence and elaine at the same time

The One-Above-All @endico and Protege claiming to be TOAA was just boasting as we see right next that Scathan disapproves of him and whoops him



And scathan is below TOAA

The One-Above-All @endico lucifer was also able to escape presence plan and Lucifer himself isn’t omnipotent which proves Presence isn’t all that powerful

The One-Above-All Lucifer also killed a corrupt presence which is supposedly as strong as him

The Presence Did Rox Ogama really kill The Presence? Of course he didn't. Rox Ogama was only setting the moment just to sound all tough and scary. There wasn't even a scene to prove that he wounded The Presence. It's impossible for Rox Ogama to accomplish this considering The Presence is an omnipotent being and is the only omnipotent being. Now, the corrupt Presence wasn't actually The Presence him/herself. That was GEB and The Presence already absorbed it by shaking it's hand. So, I do give you credit on this part. Lucifer does slap GEB, however, GEB still isn't supreme and was defeated already by The Presence. The Great Evil Beast was formed when God uttered the words "Let There Be Light" and came to embody all the darkness in creation as well as everything that opposed the light of the Presence. However, despite its immense power the Great Evil Beast was still a newborn entity and thus was easily defeated by the Presence and contained within its own realm.



When The Presence talked with Lucifer, "The Plan" that the presence is referring to is The Story and Events that would happen in the DC Universe. Predestination (A.K.A The Story) which what Lucifer was trying to escape since he rebelled. He tried to escape the already untouchable story and fate of the DC Universe. which the presence had already planned from the beginning. From The Crisis on infinite earths, and all events that ever happened had already been planned out by the presence. and the monitors are the ones who recorded it.



What The Presence is holding appears to be creation (AKA, DC Omniverse) The Presence held all creation in his hand, proving his superiority towards everything else in the DC Universe including the monitors "Diary Writing", and Lucifer who finally escaped The Presence's Plan (The Story) and now sitting with him "Outside of the DC Universe". Lucifer may have escaped creation itself and gone somewhere in the Overvoid, but note that The Overvoid and The Presence are actually related and are the same. The Presence is everywhere but also nowhere at once so no matter how many times Lucifer tries to escape The Presence, just realize The Presence is God and is omnipresent which means he is everywhere, everything, and nowhere at once.

The Presence Actually, there is 1 thing I forgot to mention. You know how you mentioned Lucifer thought he escaped The Presence's plan? Well, I have a way better explanation to that now. Mike Carey implied that the Presence is one with the Void through analogy of the Monkey King (Lucifer) and Buddha (the Presence), which Lucifer found in context "pretty offensive", as he stated, since the Monkey King challenged Buddha to jump in one leap from Creation to the outside (the Void). But once Buddha showed his hand, the Monkey King understood he lost as he saw his mark on Buddha hand that he left in the Void to prove he jumped to the Void in one leap. So understanding this in Lucifer context, it means that even though Lucifer believed that he could escaped his Father plan by creating his own Creation outside, in the Void, the Presence is there, one with the Void.

The Presence TOAA lost to AR thanos

The One-Above-All The one above all has infinite powers and the presence has limited and the one above all is omnipotent but the presence is nigh omnipotent.

The Presence TOAA does have infinite power in a Multiverse. The Presence has infinite power in an Omniverse. And also speaking that The Presence held everything in his hand (creation) and even that wasn't his most impressive feat. What has TOAA showed? Seriously, what feats has TOAA proved to us? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. The only feat he proved to us was eating a burger with Peter Parker but other than that, he doesn't not have infinite power nor is he an impressive God like The Presence. Did I mentioned that Protege took TOAA's position at one point? So, I know exactly why everyone is saying TOAA would win is because Marvel is just overrated. The reality of it is that The Presence would defeat TOAA by a long shot. It should be like this:

Presence>GEB>Elaine=Lucifer=Michael=Gabriel>Regulator>TOAA

The Presence Bruh

The One-Above-All TOAA represents all marvel creators

The Presence That's the exact same with The Presence. They are both Gods, but only one of them is stronger which of course is The Presence. What feats has TOAA accomplish? Nothing, other than eating a burger with Peter Parker. What feats has The Presence accomplish? The Presence held the whole omniverse (AKA creation) in just one hand so The Presence would defeat TOAA by a long shot.

The One-Above-All ironic coming from the person who deleted both his comments being one of the most toxic people I've ever met lmfao 😂😂

The One-Above-All Why do you always have to be a sore loser?

The Presence Lmao look at the mirror if you are searching for a loser.

The One-Above-All You just proved my point mate. You get all salty whenever you lose like you are now.

The Presence Im saying absolutely nothing,you are trying to provoke me as always,perhaps because there is no way you can win anything against me,just trying to trigger someone is easier,a.k.a the only thing you can do against me lmao.

The One-Above-All You start it. If you don't like being insulted don't do it yourself. SHDB is about respectful debates not whining and attacking those with different opinions.
You lose a debate when you have to resort to insults instead of actual arguments. That's why you always lose.

The Presence Look in the mirror, you'll find Tyrannus and EmptyHand sitting there except in the mirror it reads, "viewer discretion is advised."

The One-Above-All Goddamn you guys are harsh. Chill out

The One-Above-All @EnDico Bro, chill tf out

The Presence Not think... It's the truth TOAA is a looser.

The Presence @EmptyHand It's actually the opposite of what you said. Except whoever thinks TOAA is stronger than The Presence have no IQ.

The One-Above-All Lmfao that isn't TOAA, tell me how Jim starlin, an aspect of TOAA (since toaa embodies every single writer, meaning that individual writers would be aspects) literally sees the entire story of infinity conflict as an IDEA

So yeah good one thinking that's the one above all

The Presence Claims are NOT facts pal. Your links don't prove anything or have no purpose in proving anything.



Everyone in Marvel calls him Above-All-Others while he/she calls himself The One Above All. Now let's be honest, how mentally retarded are you? Even Thanos calls him Above-All-Others. You realize Mike Carey also explained that The Presence was only breaking the fourth wall and referring to the writers, right? No fictional character is the writer. No fictional character will ever be the writer and it's impossible to accomplish.

The Presence Protege managed to take The One Above All's position as well, did I not mention?



So, TOAA lost twice. Not just Thanos, but even Protege took TOAA's position. I've already proved my point. TOAA isn't omnipotent. His name should be renamed to The One Above Most. Maybe this video will change your perspective with TOAA. Here's a recap with TOAA's nigh omnipotence.

The One-Above-All Did you read the scans or are you just that blind? The first scan shows that the writers are embodied by the one above all, literally Jack Kirby and other writers are just manifestations of the one above all

So stop making yourself look like a dumbass, and If you could prove yourself not blind that would be hella good, since considering you don't realize that the scan literally shows Jim starlin coming up with the entire story in his head and he's just a manifestation of the one above all, use your eyes for once you fucking moron

No only people in jim starlin his separate marvel canon calls him above all others, in every other comic people call him the one above all you're so fucking stupid its unbelievable, jim starlin almost got fired for his work because he published a story where that happened, yet he never showed anything like the superflow, outside, etc he only used 5D cosmological structures and that's it, you're so fucking moronic, you don't read any comics do you, since I saw your comment down there saying you use Wikipedia like a retard, now think again, if jim starlin isn't canon to main marvel cosmology, if nothing the above all others did relates to the one above all at all, if everything in the story contradicts everything else in marvel, does that mean that it's the true oaa? No exactly, now quit your brain dead ass and be smart for once

Also protégé legit only made a self statement and that was after absorbing the living tribunals powers only you dumbass, then he lost to a celestial right after that, not even the strongest celestial either, read. The. Story. Legit does getting defeated by a celestial and getting the power of the living tribunal make you the one above all? No exactly, I just clapped you on that point as well

Lmao imagine using videos as unironic evidence

The Presence Buddy...Calm down. This isn't a right or wrong answer. Battles are not about swearing at each other unless that's what your looking for, but no need to use the swear words, pal. I'm only sharing you my opinion with how I think about TOAA and you are just going all over the place. Seriously, just calm down.

The One-Above-All Thanos with astral regulator has not defeated but absorbed the one above all and the one above all knows that everything would be right after sometime .And the one above all can break the astral regulator but he don't want to break the rules of multiverse.

The Presence Ok, then prove it. Give me an image that actually proves TOAA doesn't want to break the rules. Because there isn't a way to prove it. TOAA is the multiverse itself, and The Presence is the creator of an Omniverse.

Presence>GEB>Elaine=Lucifer=Michael=Gabriel>Regulator>TOAA

The Presence murderstomps TOAA.

The One-Above-All Actually, that isint TOAA, that is the one above all others.

The Presence Above All Others is what everyone in Marvel calls him while he calls himself The One Above All. Even Thanos calls him Above All Others or Master Of All. The One Above All calls himself The One Above All. So, you have it wrong.

The One-Above-All True, but TOAA is a creator of an Omniverse, and The Presence is the omniverse itself. I would give the advantage to TOAA.

The Presence They both created an Omniverse. The Presence already held everything in his hand (creation) so The Presence is definitely Omnilock as well. So, you have it all wrong.

The One-Above-All Buddy you are acting dumb. AAO and TOAA are very different

The One-Above-All @Emptyhand can you talk some sense into him.

The Presence Actually, your the dumb one because your a Marvel Lover. And what I mean by that is all you do is you read Marvel Comics because that's the only thing you do in your lifetime is talk about Marvel. Everyone in Marvel calls him Above All Others while he calls himself The One Above All. How about you look up The Presence on Google for once. There will be a documentation on Wikipedia that even states he is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, and immortal and is unchanged in the main DCU in it's own words. Now, how about we look up The One Above All: oh wow, he doesn't have a documentation? That's not a claim either, that's a valid statement. So know the facts. And I don't mean to be rude, but everyone votes for The One Above All not because of the character itself, but due to how overrated Marvel is. You treat The One Above All like he is above every comic book character you can put thought into. That's not the case though. That's the best part about DC though is that it isn't overrated like Marvel is. So your the dumb one kiddo just because your a Marvel Lover.

The One-Above-All
See the regulator universal. Every reality/dimension has a regulator.

The One-Above-All @EnDico look even after thanos absorbed the AAO from his dimension another AAO froma different dimension was still alive and ok.

The One-Above-All And don't call me a marvel lover. When I first voted this battler I voted The Presence. But after learning the cosmology of marvel and the power of TOAA I voted TOAA. TOAA and AAO aren't the same

The One-Above-All Its very brave of you to assume whosoever votes for TOAA is a marvel lover. Wikipedia??? Seriously. Trust me, there are 100's of characters who are immortal, being immortal doesn't mean you can't be killed, even LT was said to omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient.

That doesn't make you the most powerful ever, and see @RajinKabir also says AAO and TOAA aren't the same, only you don't want to accept the fact that how can a character written by a writer can defeat the writer himself, even pre-retcon beyonder defeats AAO, he isn't TOAA.

The One-Above-All What happend @EnDico ?? Did we convince you that TOAA is not AAO or do you need more proof??

The One-Above-All And Jim Stalin made some mistakes in the comic

The One-Above-All And @EnDico where did anyone including AAO called AAO , TOAA??

The One-Above-All He would not accept the fact @RajinKabir .

The One-Above-All I figured from his aggressive writing. I mean he wrote so much in so less time on this battle

The Presence One above all isn't his name,he was called multiple names.They are the same,Starlin retconned toaa

The Presence So, you think The Living Tribunal is omnipotent, huh? Tell that to The Beyonders then speaking that The Beyonders killed The Living Tribunal so I think the word your looking for is nigh-omnipotence. Second of all, I don’t think you even hear yourself talk but let me say this: everyone in Marvel calls him Above All Others while he calls himself The One Above All. By the way, if you think that really was a different cosmic entity, then why does the comic still portray Above All Others as the master of The Living Tribunal? The only master The Living Tribunal has is The One Above All. If that wasn’t TOAA then who was it? Clearly, AAO was supervising The Living Tribunal so the only explanation is that he is TOAA. You already know The One Above All was absorbed by Thanos. You know he was defeated, you just don’t want to believe it.

The Presence Oh, and did I mention that Marvel (AKA, TOAA) is only a 16th dimensional being while The Presence is a 4th dimensional being?

The One-Above-All Are you freaking stupid, the one above all 16th dimensional lmfao, yet a single universe in marvel transcends the concept of numbers in terms of how many spatial dimensions it has, also if you're a higher dimensional existence thus you're bigger you walking contradiction, the one above all himself platonically transcends beings who would slap the presence left and right, if you think thanos killed the true oaa you're inept, honestly you don't at all read marvel if you're saying "look it up" learn how many contradictions the story has and how in no way is it canon nor can it even possibly be the one above all since it has nothing in common with it

The Presence Well that’s because your a Marvel lover which I’m not surprised because all you do I bet spend 24/7 a week reading Marvel comic books. You don’t even read DC is what it sounds like. The Fourth Wall exists as the invisible barrier separating reality from imagination. In the comic book medium, such characters are cognizant of the fact that they are characters in a comic book, and often speak directly to the reader. In the Golden and Silver Age era of DC comics, such characters routinely broke the Fourth Wall, usually as a convenience for introducing a story. After the Crisis on Infinite Earths, comic storytelling took a more mature turn, and few characters demonstrated this ability. So, it’s far beyond TOAA’s reach. The Presence already has fourth wall awareness. The infinity conflict was a real series in Marvel, it was written, and it was published. It will always have an effect in the plot of Marvel. And I’m not afraid of you either because I can argue all day and night. You are a pure Marvel lover and really have nothing better to do with your life other than to obsess about Marvel comics.

The Presence Let me give you a great example as to how retarded you sound. The Presence comes in many names known as The Hand, The Source, The Overvoid, The Voice, and oddly enough, Wally the God boy. Just as the TOAA has different names known as Jack Kirby, and AAO. They are the same beings, it’s just that he can be called different names too like The Presence. Your saying AAO is a mere extension of TOAA. You sound so retarded to the highest level when you say AAO and TOAA are different. You are not comic book scientist, dude. If you think you really are all that or imagine like your omniscient in all comic books, you wouldn’t even be hired as a comic book writer due to how much of a dumbass you sound.

The One-Above-All Lmao i read and scale both marvel and DC unlike you inept child who only reads DC it seems, what does the fourth wall's existence mean at all exactly? any character can break the fourth wall, superboy prime has done it, deadpool has done it, gwenpool has done it, none of those are rebirth superman tier, let alone even base eternity tierand TOAA is the f*cking writer, he scales above the fourth wall as a whole and there wouldn't even exist a fourth wall for him since he's every single marvel writer/reader/editor in 1, you need to rethink your stupid scaling, since you're implying characters like superboy prime can defeat the one above all, The infinity conflict was a story only Jim starlin wrote and every other marvel writer almost fired him from the company and declared it non canon because his work was that bad, Jim starlin doesn't have any knowledge on cosmological structures in marvel such as the superflow, neutral zone or other's which he has never shown, he's only shown the universe, multiverse and given them finite dimensions, whereas in consistent marvel scaling its been shown there are infinite spatial dimensions per universe but the AAO his realm was literally affected by a 3-Dimensional crisis, also are you f*cking stupid? that's your proof as to why you're making yourself look like an idiot? you understand that the AAO was shown bound to a timeline and affected by 3-Dimensional crisis', you gotta rethink your marvel and DC scaling because you just got clapped, now listen to your inept brain and think again, since TOAA was shown way beyond what the AAO was shown below, because the writer almost got fired for making the most non canon marvel work, because the writer didn't know sh*t about actual marvel cosmology AND the fact that you have no evidence besides a few aliases the presence has, you should give up, this is embarrassing you

The One-Above-All Yup living tribunal is nigh omnipotent, but many writers claim beings are omnipotent when they are only nigh, same arguments can be made to DC characters.
Beyonders killed Post Retcon LT.
But we already know LT is omniscient, he knows everything and exists in all realities, he is the judge of everything, but wait what did he say in Infinity Conflict

I had no idea this problem had such widespread repercussions.
Lmao, he also asks AOO "This has become a multidimensional crisis?

Thus, he was not omniscient. So, either you accept that they were just avatars or continue to look away from the truth.

The Presence Take a look a these pictures from Grant Morrison for once. This is exactly what proves everything right and wrong with The Presence:






So, The Presence is The Writer.

The Presence The Presence wasn't killed either just as Lucifer even stated it himself:

Plus, Lucifer admitted The Presence's powers:

The Presence Now, TOAA. This is the proof of AAO (AKA TOAA) being absorbed by Thanos using a Regulator:

The Presence The Presence admitted that everything is part of his plan. Every variable, every physical law, everything happens because he MAKES it happen.



By the way, I know you will say he passed his powers down but that is not the case. The Presence passed creation just to break the tie between Heaven and Hell during their final battle. The Presence instead calls this "To cut the knot" solution. Plus, The Presence annihilated Lilith without breaking a sweat in this picture.

The One-Above-All Hold on ill respond to this later, need to type a bible worth of scans real quick 🦍

The One-Above-All No

The Presence yeh

The One-Above-All OK. Then Hell no

The Presence Dc 1As are way higher than marvel 1As

The Presence Little correction,
Dc isnt 4d,i assume you are referring to this
4 dimensions refers to 4 realms.Highest of them being the 6th dimension then source wall and 2 others idr.

The One-Above-All Hell no

The Presence Hell yes

The One-Above-All That was above all others, an aspect of TOAA and is non canon.

The Presence Everyone in Marvel calls him Above All Others while he calls himself The One Above All. The Infinity Conflict Ending Comic is canon because it actually says it on Google. But since The Presence is the Overvoid, The One Above All wouldn’t have a single chance laying a scratch on The Presence.

The One-Above-All You know the writer was fired for his work after that,right?

The Presence It still doesn’t change the fact that it still affected the plot of Marvel. Regulators are much on a higher scale than The One Above All. The Presence held everything in his hand. There’s isn’t anything higher than him by default.

The Presence How about I show you something from Grant Morrison in the D.C. comics. Believe me, it explains everything about The Presence's true power.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/0/06/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_1.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180322

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/f/f0/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_2.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180338

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/9/97/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_3.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180352

So, assuming that Monitor-Mind The Over-Void is literally the white page, The Presence is the writer/illustrator, since, in Animal Man #5, Grant Morrison portrayed the Presence as the writer/illustrator within the setting of the DC Universe. The links above explain it all.

The One-Above-All Marvel has already said TOAA is basically an embodiment of the writers ,editors and readers.

The Presence Like I said, he maybe a writer of a multiverse, but not an omniverse like The Presence. Grant Morrison made his point with The Presence. The Presence is the writer and the incarnation of the Abrahamic god. You can say he’s the writer of Marvel all you want, but he isn’t the writer of an omniverse like The Presence. And by the same token, The Presence is The Overvoid which is the canvas.

The One-Above-All Writer>>>Presence.

The Presence And that’s when you realize you don’t know what more to say because you know I’m right. But you are on the same page. The Presence is the writer since Grant Morrison portrayed him as the illustrator. So it should be like this: Presence>>>Elaine>>>Lucifer=Michael=Gabriel>>>Spectre>TOAA.

The One-Above-All Grant Morrison already said readers>writers, there is no proof presence scales to the reader while its confirmed TOAA is basically writers+readers+editors.

The Presence Grant morrison never said that.Reader embodiment in Dc (Empty Hand) isn't even above Mandrakk (editor embodiment) who got retconned out of existence by overvoid who is a mere tool created by writer against its will.

The One-Above-All Then why does presence know he is not the most powerful and writers shaped him.

The Presence Presence is there existing as an absoloute being way beyond concept of pshycal existence,we reader shape him in the form of god we believe
its complicated let me explain
The god in dc has multiple manifestations
The monitors see the god as overvoid
The angels see him as presence
The new gods see him as source
Morrison confirmed it in one of his tweets.
The god is the combined form of everything i mentioned above
Beings in dc appears diffrent to diffrent races,for example michael demiurgos,appears to christians as michael,yet buddhists see him as khali,(it was revealed during his fight with spectre) etc.

The Presence That's exactly what I was about to say. Even Oblivion gets it. Readers are NOT greater than The Writer. The Presence is portrayed as The Writer just as shown in the links above. Grant Morrison wrote the comic, he published it, and now is official that The Presence is The Writer. Let me send you the links again in case you don't know what I'm talking about.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/0/06/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_1.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180322

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/f/f0/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_2.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180338

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/9/97/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_3.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180352

Now, I'll say this again: assuming that Monitor-Mind The Over-Void is literally the white page, The Presence is the writer/illustrator, since, in Animal Man #5, Grant Morrison portrayed the Presence as the writer/illustrator within the setting of the DC Universe. So, you have it all wrong. Readers aren't greater than the writer because they have no impact with the story line and the plot itself. And I know your going to come up with two more excuses as to why you think The Presence isn't supreme. Yes, he merged with The Great Evil Beast, but The Presence absorbed The Great Darkness and his powers and since The Presence is the Overvoid, he still has the upper hand. Second of all, in the new Lucifer Run, everyone thought that The Presence was killed by a possessed Gabriel using a sword that was designed by The Presence himself.

So everyone in Heaven wondered how that is even "paradoxically" possible and after the following issues, Lucifer figured out that it was just another shenanigan by The Presence as well. Here is another link that explains this.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111296040/6471245-6425662-lucifer.jpg

And as you can see from the comic page above, The Presence might not have even been dead at all. What the angels thought was the death of the "Original God", may as well just be him again making changes, and using lower entities to do it. Now lets move on to The One Above All. The Marvel Fandom page says that he is supreme, but EVEN the fandom admits that his weakness is Multiversal Imbalance. In it's own words "Multiversal Imbalance: When Thanos, controlled by his omnipotent future self, got hold of his universe's Regulator (an artifact more powerful than the Infinity Gems which served to keep each universe separate from one another), this caused grave imbalance to the Multiverse something that neither the Above-All-Others was able to fix.[17] This allowed the all-powerful Thanos from the year 4657 A.D. to absorb the Above-All-Others". But don't assume that the name "Above-All-Others" is a mere extension of The One Above All because they are the exact same being except everyone in Marvel calls in Above All Others while he (himself) calls him The One Above All. When The Presence mentioned "External Forces" one of the writers of DC even admits that he was only breaking the fourth wall and referring to The Writers. Even though The Presence is The Writer, he still is aware of people writing him as well. And I know your going to say that he passed his powers down to Elaine, but that's not the case. The Presence did this because there was a final battle between Heaven and Hell, so The Presence passed Creation down to Elaine to break the tie. Even then, this was still part of The Presence's plan. He never gave up his omnipotence since he is the Overvoid. Giving up omnipotence is impossible for him to accomplish just to begin with. The Presence could still take away the powers he had given to Elaine since he made her nigh-omnipotent. Elaine is still below The Presence since he is truly omnipotent. The fandom page even says it.

https://fictional-battle-omniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Elaine_Belloc

So The One Above All maybe the writer of his own multiverse. That's great and all, but it's already known that Marvel is only a multiverse since regulators are on a much higher scale (omniversal essentially) which is what proves that The One Above All is really multiversal while The Presence is beyond omniversal since we know he's the Overvoid and The Writer.

The One-Above-All
I see through many eyes (omnipresent)
I am all powerful (omnipotent)
As i have already said. AAO is an aspect of OAA. And almost all writers do not consider it to be canon in any way. TOAA is always treated as a writer like figure, while AAO was regarded as a entity whom living tribunal serves. Regulator Thanos has no hope of defeating true OAA, writers have already ignored this work because it didn't follow and screwed up the basic concepts of the marvel multiverse, and I actually read one of your earlier comments and did you just say spectre > TOAA lol.

The Presence Bro claims are not facts,if we go by that logic i can argue about multiple charecters being omniponent or even above.
AAO is TOAA stop it everyone knows it.

The One-Above-All Well almost everybody knows AAO and TOAA are different. He has also got a separate profile I believe.

The Presence Oh, so your going to bring the Fandom page into this? Good, because even the Marvel Fandom says he isn't omnipotent in this line "Multiversal Imbalance: When Thanos, controlled by his omnipotent future self, got hold of his universe's Regulator (an artifact more powerful than the Infinity Gems which served to keep each universe separate from one another), this caused grave imbalance to the Multiverse something that neither the Above-All-Others was able to fix.[17] This allowed the all-powerful Thanos from the year 4657 A.D. to absorb the Above-All-Others". Spectre is greater because he is the wrath of god and is metaversal. The One Above All had some embarrassing moments just when Thanos held a regulator and absorbed him along with the Living Tribunal at the time. The Presence is the Overvoid and The Writer since Grant Morrison portrayed him as The Writer if you look above. Everyone in Marvel calls him Above All Others why he calls himself The One Above All. They already published the Infinity Conflict, it already affected the plot of Marvel, and still doesn't change the fact that The One Above All was nothing more than a mere chicken during the fight between him and Thanos along with the Living Tribunal.

The Presence Even their names are the same,they have the same profile above all others is post retcon toaa.

The One-Above-All When did I bring the fandom page into all this.
Nah, TOAA is already a writer level character and regulator thanos is a fictional one.
Writer>>>Fictional character. And iirc, the comic was written by starlin who created thanos and it was his last comic, he just wanted to prove in the end his character is basically the strongest in marvel, and many editors have straight up said that Infinity Conflict is not canon in any way, Starlin might think something else, but everybody else does not believe that.

The Presence Because in the Fandom, it says "I am the One Above All. I see through many eyes. I build with many hands. They are themselves, but they are also me. I am all-powerful. My only weapon is love. The mystery intrigues me". So let me say this: I agree with you, he is the writer of his own multiverse, but not an omniverse like The Presence. The Presence is the Overvoid and will annihilate The One Above All without breaking a sweat. The Presence created DC by splintering the whole universe with his hand into infinite pieces establishing it into a multiverse. And just for the record, Marvel is overrated and that's why all Marvel supporters are saying The One Above All will win even though he's nigh-omnipotent. He still is nothing to The Presence when it comes to The Presence's true form which is on the same scale as The Writer.

The One-Above-All I don't know if it was in fandom or not, it was his tagline from the start. His counterpart TOBA has also said this line in an opposite way in comics.
You yourself have accepted TOAA is atleast the writer of the marvel multiverse, then explain how regulator thanos can beat a writer character. Regulator is fictional and Writer>>>Fictional Character. That is why the comic is ignored by almost every writer and editor.
Spectre can't beat TOAA. Even AAO is confirmed omnipotent, spectre got slapped by a weakened michael, spectre loses to LT and Beyonder.
The three scans you have been sending from the start to claim Grant Morrison portrayed him as the writer are very small to read, I can't see a thing honestly, and yes we readers have as much importance as the writers. We have indirect plot manipulation, if there are demands for the comics of a particular character to be written, writers do that. If we don't read the comics they publish, it does affect their work on a large scale.
It has already been said GEB is outside of presence's creation.
AOO is not a chicken, just because it was the writer's last comic and he wanted thanos to be the most powerful character ever in history, doesn't change the fact, that writers and editors have straight up said they don't consider the work to be canon. You can simply consider AOO as Starlin's version of TOAA and TOAA is the rest of the writer's version of it.

The Presence You realize The Presence creates GEB after he uttered the words “Let there be light”. The Presence is The Writer, he is The Overvoid, he has it all. He already merged with GEB and absorbed it. And just remember, TOAA is The Writer, only for a multiverse. The Presence is The Writer of an omniverse. Grant Morrison already proved it. And seriously now, stop coming up with the lame excuse about how AAO is a mere aspect of TOAA because they are the same beings. Everyone in Marvel calls him Above All Others while he calls himself The One Above All. So, you still have it wrong even though you’ve been saying the same excuse about AAO for like the last 5 comments we’ve posted, so move on. AAO is the same as TOAA, end of conversation.

The One-Above-All Because literally 99% don't accept AAO and TOAA to be same, you still haven't proved how a fictional character can beat a writer. I think you are trying to say regulator thanos >> writer .

"Before light"

The Presence Have you looked at the links above?? They already prove that The Presence is The Writer. Just like right here: And just to be honest, claims aren’t facts. The Presence is The Writer and The Overvoid so he already beats GEB just as he did after he absorbed him by shaking hands.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/0/06/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_1.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180322

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/f/f0/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_2.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180338

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/9/97/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_3.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180352

And if your saying 99% of everyone on this page think they are separate, then look at those who voted for The Presence for once.

The Presence GEB and The Presence might be the same beings since GEB is God’s dark side so just keep that in mind.

The One-Above-All I said the scans you provided are too small or me to read, if possible, try sending bigger scans, maybe I get a change of heart.
Many people believe TOAA and AAO are different, but they think presence can beat both of them, and look at the comments down, literally everyone who says about regulator already says AOO is an aspect of TOAA. It is widely accepted, since it doesn't make sense how a character can go against a writer to defeat him when the writer is himself writing the character.

The Presence Then you want to know what you should do? Change your screen resolution. You want to know what would be even more convenient? How about you copy and paste the link onto another tab yourself? You still following up here or do you have ADHD? Alright, allow me to be a teacher for a moment. You highlight the link by clicking left on your mouse, hold it, and slide across until you highlight the link. Then you wanna know what you do next?? You hit ctrl+c on your keyboard to copy the links. Open a new tab, press ctrl+p, and your done. Wow, magic right? I mean it's pretty bizarre what future we're living in right now, isn't it? Now, if you look up The Presence on Google, there will be a documentation on Wikipedia that even states he is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, and immortal. Now try looking up The One Above All: oh wow, he doesn't have a documentation on Wikipedia? That's not a claim either, that's a statement. Obviously, you know I'm right, you just don't want to believe it because your a typical Marvel lover who only reads Marvel comics 24/7 a week.

The One-Above-All My Friend, are you honestly considering me so dumb that I don't know how to copy paste the link to another tab, I have tried it already, and I have tried to zoom in to read it, it makes the picture quality all the more blurry. This isn't a school project that I will look it up in wikipedia, and if a document is not present, I will straight up assume the topic to be crap and whatnot. Instead, you should have made the link clickable by writing url and /url in square brackets at the beginning and end of the link to make it easier for people to access it. All you have said is one regulator>>> Jack kirby and stan lee (since TOAA represents them ). You should have realised regulator has no chance against TOAA, since regulator is written by a writer and the writer himself is TOAA.

The Presence Look it up. Regulator vs TOAA. It shows a comic page that actually shows TOAA and The Living Tribunal being absorbed at the same time. No, TOAA didn’t write the regulators. You want to know who did? Stan Lee. You treat TOAA like he’s above omnipotence which is impossible and second of all, Thanos already went beyond the multiverse that not even TOAA was unable to reach. Thanos held a regulator which is omniversal since it extends beyond a multiverse.

The One-Above-All You are contradicting yourself. TOAA represents the writers (Stan Lee and Jack kirby), he also has taken the form of jack kirby in comics, you yourself have accepted TOAA is writer of marvel, so how can a writer (real life person) lose to someone who was written by himself and is a fictional thing (regulator).

The Presence Then let me ask you, did you see TOAA turn into Jack Kirby or not? Now, we go back to Grant Morrison in DC. Just how Animal Man runs into Grant Morrison, they all ran into Jack Kirby in Marvel. TOAA and The Presence have nothing to do with these characters at all. The Presence, however, was the first to become aware of who wrote him and TOAA never did. When The Presence states him being shaped by "external forces" he is only referring to the writers. TOAA never stated that at all nor did TOAA turn into Jack Kirby. We didn't see TOAA turn into Jack Kirby at all actually. TOAA has absolutely nothing to do with Jack Kirby just to begin with. Or you could say that The Presence took the form of Grant Morrison after he was portrayed as the writer in the Animal Man series.

The Presence well one above all isnt he lost to thanos

The One-Above-All @shaneherald That was an aspect of one above all (above all others).

The One-Above-All Dhruv is right

The Presence TOAA isn’t omnipotent either, but he’s above presence.

The One-Above-All It's over a billion times easier to say TOAA's omnipotent than say the Presence is. With that being said, both The Presence and The One Above All get downplayed to disgusting levels nowadays.

The One-Above-All @Incognito then why did you vote the presence

The Presence Above All Others is what everyone in Marvel calls him while he calls himself The One Above All. There are the same beings. Second of all, regulators are omniversal which is what limits The One Above All's powers making him only nigh-omnipotent.

The Presence But I know you'll be arguing my statement, so I'll copy and paste one of my original messages when I made my point with these two comic book gods: The Presence is portrayed as The Writer just as shown in the links above. Grant Morrison wrote the comic, he published it, and now is official that The Presence is The Writer. Let me send you the links again in case you don't know what I'm talking about.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/0/06/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_1.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180322

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/f/f0/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_2.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180338

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/9/97/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_3.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180352

Now, I'll say this again: assuming that Monitor-Mind The Over-Void is literally the white page, The Presence is the writer/illustrator, since, in Animal Man #5, Grant Morrison portrayed the Presence as the writer/illustrator within the setting of the DC Universe. So, you have it all wrong. Readers aren't greater than the writer because they have no impact with the story line and the plot itself. And I know your going to come up with two more excuses as to why you think The Presence isn't supreme. Yes, he merged with The Great Evil Beast, but The Presence absorbed The Great Darkness and his powers and since The Presence is the Overvoid, he still has the upper hand. Second of all, in the new Lucifer Run, everyone thought that The Presence was killed by a possessed Gabriel using a sword that was designed by The Presence himself.

So everyone in Heaven wondered how that is even "paradoxically" possible and after the following issues, Lucifer figured out that it was just another shenanigan by The Presence as well. Here is another link that explains this.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111296040/6471245-6425662-lucifer.jpg

And as you can see from the comic page above, The Presence might not have even been dead at all. What the angels thought was the death of the "Original God", may as well just be him again making changes, and using lower entities to do it. Now lets move on to The One Above All. The Marvel Fandom page says that he is supreme, but EVEN the fandom admits that his weakness is Multiversal Imbalance. In it's own words "Multiversal Imbalance: When Thanos, controlled by his omnipotent future self, got hold of his universe's Regulator (an artifact more powerful than the Infinity Gems which served to keep each universe separate from one another), this caused grave imbalance to the Multiverse something that neither the Above-All-Others was able to fix.[17] This allowed the all-powerful Thanos from the year 4657 A.D. to absorb the Above-All-Others". But don't assume that the name "Above-All-Others" is a mere extension of The One Above All because they are the exact same being except everyone in Marvel calls in Above All Others while he (himself) calls him The One Above All. When The Presence mentioned "External Forces" one of the writers of DC even admits that he was only breaking the fourth wall and referring to The Writers. Even though The Presence is The Writer, he still is aware of people writing him as well. And I know your going to say that he passed his powers down to Elaine, but that's not the case. The Presence did this because there was a final battle between Heaven and Hell, so The Presence passed Creation down to Elaine to break the tie. Even then, this was still part of The Presence's plan. He never gave up his omnipotence since he is the Overvoid. Giving up omnipotence is impossible for him to accomplish just to begin with. The Presence could still take away the powers he had given to Elaine since he made her nigh-omnipotent. Elaine is still below The Presence since he is truly omnipotent. The fandom page even says it.

https://fictional-battle-omniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Elaine_Belloc

So The One Above All maybe the writer of his own multiverse. That's great and all, but it's already known that Marvel is only a multiverse since regulators are on a much higher scale (omniversal essentially) which is what proves that The One Above All is really multiversal while The Presence is beyond omniversal since we know he's the Overvoid and The Writer.

The One-Above-All @EnDico reglators aren't omniversal. I believe every reality has a regulator.

The Presence Without a working Regulator to patrol the cosmos itself, it will cause the Above-All-Others to no longer work in function of the said reality. The One Above All is only multiversal is what it means. The Presence is the Overvoid and is The Writer since Grant Morrison already portrayed The Presence as The Writer. Above All Others is what everyone in Marvel calls him while he calls himself The One Above All. So yes, regulators are much on a higher scale than The One Above All since The One Above All is multiversal. If they are higher than someone who is multiversal, then what is the only explanation? They are omniversal because they control the distance between every universe and multiverse. Without the regulators, The One Above All would be useless. The Presence held literally everything in his hand, so there isn't anything higher than him by default. And no, Elaine didn't absorb his powers. There was a battle between Heaven and Hell so he passed Creation down to break the tie. Since The Presence is truly omnipotent, he would easily take away Elaine's powers and her nigh-omnipotence.

The One-Above-All Yup.

The Presence the presence has better feats

The One-Above-All Feats are irrelevant here.

The Presence Lol what? toaa is a decent 1A while Yahweh is barely baseline high outerversal (using vsbw logic,toaa gets oneshotted by every decent infinite d according to comicvine)
Beings infinitely transcends high outerversal level,borderlining tier 0 are still compared by feats,what makes feats irrelevant here? its just you trying wank a nigh featless fodder to heavens and beyond lmao.

The One-Above-All TOAA is beyond comic book. What about the Presence ?

The Presence Lol no Leviathan of stories is most powerfull dc charachter

The Presence I'm not saying presence is above leviathan of stories. There something like all stories exist in unwritten including dc stories . It doesn't say that leviathan of stories is actual part of dc.

The Presence the presence is god from Christianity he made the writers and he put their thoughts in their head to make the one-above-all.

The Presence The hell it is. Literally everything in this comics or whatever fiction is just an imaginary fictional adaptation it has nothing to do with reality, In fact nobody knows that whether god exist or multiverse exists it's just crazy ideas Inside minds of peoples which they adapt into story for purpose of entertainment of people and for their income. Literally it's foolish to call any imaginary character a real God of christianity. Only consider the comic as medium of fun everything inside them every character only exists on that comic panel and is created by pencil or ink. Even grant Morrison said readers have big role than writer in existence of comics.

The Presence The One Above All is only multiversal, not omniversal. I agree with your statement: yes, he is the writer of his own multiverse, but The Presence is the writer of an omniverse just when Grant Morrison portrayed The Presence as The Writer.

The Presence swap that around

The Presence Both are not

The Presence the presence is omnipotent

The One-Above-All No, he isn't.

The Presence I think you misunderstood the term “nigh-omnipotence”. Nigh-omnipotent means your close to being all powerful but you still have limitations. It doesn’t mean your all powerful. Omnipotent means your all powerful and TOAA is nigh omnipotent since regulators are proven to be on a higher scale. The Presence on the other hand held literally everything in his hand so The Presence is omnipotent and omniversal while TOAA is multiversal.

The One-Above-All no noob Presence aint omnipotent

The One-Above-All Toaa kicks his ass

The Presence Marvel kid don't know anything,
Guys search on Wikipedia presence is omnipotent...
And TOAA have no document in Wikipedia..
Presence can curb stomp Toaa

The One-Above-All @Tomal imagine using Wikipedia as evidence

The One-Above-All Neither of them are.

The Presence Do you think maybe thefulcrum is the omnipotent one he isnt a aspect of toaa

The One-Above-All Except he is an aspect of OAA, and neither are Omnipotent

The One-Above-All Hopefully your answer will get rid of a lot of the hate towards TOAA and how underrated he is. I can't believe I even have to say this in the first place

The Presence Omnipotent being doesn't need avtar if he needs he is not Omnipotent

The One-Above-All No it shows how powerful he is

The One-Above-All No considering very little people know how to scale either one of them right.

The Presence Both are not omnipotent if they are omnipotent and both fight then nothing will happen since both are omniscient and would know everything and if one of them Puts up a fight both are not omnipotent you can lake claims they are omnipotent in their own verse

The One-Above-All Neither of them are omnipotent. There's no such thing as an omnipotent character in comic books...well, at least from my perspective.

The One-Above-All Accurate perspective

The Presence But presence has more impressive feats and doesn't have sign in his omnipotent

The Presence Only voted presence to keep the balance.

The One-Above-All The presence is way above him either way

The One-Above-All He's not omnipotent.

The One-Above-All Neither is OAA, The presence has better scaling

The Presence Presence is high outerversal and has more feats One above all is just outerversal presence claps

The One-Above-All He's not omnipotent which you've been unable to disprove.

The One-Above-All TOAA is omnipotent or prove that wrong

The One-Above-All An avatar is sent by the true TOAA which means an avatar doesn't change the intellect of TOAA if TOAA prove not omniscient, therefore he's not omnipotent it's a simple as that my friend. Where did the author say that anyways?

Actually you haven't and I don't feel like repeating myself again.

Again he sends the avatar because his true self's presence would simply kill whoever he's talking to like you just said but that doesn't mean his avatar would Be any less intelligent than his true self meaning the true OAA is also Intrigued by mysteries. And you have evidence to suggest that he was just saying that to make him feel better, that's just an assumption you made up but alas whats else should I expect from you.

I might because I'm done with your mental illnesses ruining my life.

The One-Above-All Okay, how the he'l dose that work?! If TOAA has no true form then what is the difference between him and the Above All Others?

If that's the case then why did you say "anyone trys to show toba or toaa true form they head will blow up and die?" Yes I did because omniscience is a part of omnipotence and if TOAA is not omniscient then how is he omnipotent?

Now please provide evidence that he is omnipotent please.

The One-Above-All If he has no true form (which doesn't make any sense whatsoever) then you'll have to use his aspect because he doesn't have a true form by your logic.

Just because he said he's "all powerful" doesn't automatically make him all powerful. Odin once said he was omnipotent so is he by your logic? And I love how you post a scan that proves he's not omniscient. So there either TOAA was lying or he wasn't Omniscient enough to know that he wasn't omniscient. Boom boom.

Now I have a question for you: is TOAA the writer? If so can you prove it?

The One-Above-All Have at thee breaker!

The One-Above-All I'm not, I'm just saying if you want to claim TOAA is omnipotent because he once said so then Odin would also be omnipotent because he once said he was and Master Order even once called him "the living omnipotence." My proof he's not omniscient is in his Conversation with Spider-Man and in that scan you posted. :D

Okay, if he's the writer then I consede that he's omnipotent but then if he was the writer then why isn't he omniscient?

The One-Above-All Ignore all of this ,I'm Gonna Reformulate All What i type ,A new Debate

The Presence You guys just have it all wrong. Above All Others is what everyone in Marvel calls him while he calls himself The One Above All. Mike Carey already mentioned that The Presence was only breaking the fourth wall and referring to people writing him. Second of all, Grant Morrison already portrayed The Presence as The Writer in the Animal Man series. The Presence never gave up his omnipotence which is impossible for him to accomplish just to begin with since he is the Overvoid. Look on the Marvel Fandom page for once. Even they admit The One Above All's weakness is multiversal imbalance. I know your going to say that The Presence was killed by the possessed Gabriel, but Lucifer eventually figures out that it was only part of The Presence's plan. The link below explains it all.

The Presence Thank god

The One-Above-All You're welcome

The Presence I'm thanking god

The One-Above-All can i break the balance XD

The Presence Na I don't like oaa winning this battle

The One-Above-All OMG why you hate toaa my friend ?

The Presence I don't like that overrated fodder

The One-Above-All he is overrated because he is gods...

The Presence He is below me

The One-Above-All phoenix >>>mxyzptlk

The Presence Definitely not

The Presence I'm >>Phoenix

The One-Above-All but im sure at 1000% phoenix is more popular than him

The One-Above-All The White Phoenix of the Crown is above Mxy @arianadatio.

The One-Above-All @AkhilPDX of course she is she can hold the entire universe in the palm of her hands right

The One-Above-All It's not that. It's that she's the physical embodiment of all life that has, is, and will exist.

The One-Above-All my bad @AkhilPDX but i know she hold the entire 616 universe in the palm of her hands and change the future

The Presence Let me correct u I'm >W Phoenix of the crown

The Presence Lol that's nothing what mxy did LMAO

The Presence Than why did u vote toaa
Presence is more powerful than toaa

The One-Above-All for me is a stalemate god can not kill god bit idk why i change lol

The Presence No stalemate presence wins that featless fodder

The One-Above-All STALEMATE

The Presence Toaa was not able to stop Thanos regulator he is no near presence

The One-Above-All Presence has been killed before...

The Presence That was his plan he wasn't kill

The One-Above-All for me is a stalemate god can not kill god

The Presence Presence is true God of DC he is Yahweh ,and next they are both near omnipotent it means one can defeat another

The One-Above-All idk who win really

The Presence Presence has far better feats than toaa by feats presence wins

The One-Above-All so i changed my vote

The Presence Yaa

The One-Above-All its okay

The Presence Now 1 more vote for balance

The One-Above-All yes someone need to vote presence

The Presence And u Change ur vote

The One-Above-All Then he's not omnipotent.

not voted @Breaker and @_Holy_Joe_ Just for fun who would win if The One-Above-All had all the powers of the Entire Marvel Universe and The Presence has the Powers of the Entire DC Universe Who Wins

The One-Above-All TOAA is already more powerful than everything in Marvel. The Presence is not.

The One-Above-All That was an avatar of the presence for one thing, and for another, it was an illusion made for the presences plan

The One-Above-All He never died

The One-Above-All @EmptyHand Then, explain that.

The One-Above-All Furthermore, if he actually was omnipotent, he would be able to kill The Great Evil Beast and he wouldn't have admitted this.

The One-Above-All Never said he was Omnipotent, and the characters in that scan are not outside of his plan, and that was an avatar of the presence who was shaped by external forces, the true form of the Presence has no physical body

The One-Above-All @EmptyHand 'kay, then why was the weapon made?

The One-Above-All The weapon was made to kill the dark Presence who is nothing more than a pale shadow of the true Presence, it never really hurt Yahweh he just pretended like it did, cause as we all know he has a plan that involves everything and only Lucifer is outside it

The Presence Akhil everything ? So that's why the regulator stopped him

The Presence That was yahweh who isnt even the strongest aspect of tf presence

The One-Above-All @EmptyHand Either way, he still can't kill TGEB. Thus, he's not omnipotent nor omniscient.

The One-Above-All @HolyJoe well is that why lucifer slapped the great evil beast?

The Presence The Presence wasn't killed by the possessed Gabriel. Lucifer figured it out by himself just as he states in the link below.

The One-Above-All Okay. Okay.

The Presence He said it's impossible to have a winner

The One-Above-All No one should be able to beat the other really because it'd defeat the purpose of who they are.

The One-Above-All @Tyrannus Neither are Omnipotent

The Presence You do realize that only happened because that was a weapon created by The Presence himself, right? It's basically just him harming himself.

The One-Above-All @LordTracer It doesn't make the difference. TOAA made HOTU, but HOTU didn't injure him.

The Presence And you know presence created that weapon and gave to gabriel? İt was his plan

The One-Above-All Made a plan to beat himself?
But you can't prove there is a weapon can injure TOAA

The Presence Yes,he did read lucifer 2016
İ can regulator is above him

The One-Above-All Regulator's best feat is eternity+infinity

The Presence Regulator's best feat is killing LT,and destroying toaa's hierarchy

The One-Above-All but didn't injure TOAA

The Presence He will injure toaa in infinity ending

The Presence Presence injured himself btw toaa can do that too

The One-Above-All Omnipotent can do anything he wants, but nigh-omnipotent can't

The Presence They're both nigh omniponent but presence stronger

The One-Above-All @Oblivion prove that The Presence is stronger?

The One-Above-All @Dark_Wing He can't.

The Presence That is not how anything works. Marvel and DC are two entirely different franchises, you can't say TOAA is God of both (especially when he's not omnipotent).

not voted TOAA is omnipotent, nothing has ever done anything to him

The Presence Protege didn't take TOAA's place, he never even came close to TOAA. And do you have a scan of Constantine threatening The Presence?

The One-Above-All I can't find the scan but read Hellblazer #128

As for Protege https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-4877972

The Presence Neither is The One-Above-All.

The One-Above-All They are both wimps.

The Presence The One-Above-All wasn't in any danger from the Heart of the Universe, wut? Hell, TOAA created the HotU.

The One-Above-All No, the presence should be winning this, The presence SMACKS

The One-Above-All @EmptyHand No, he doesn't "SMACK".

The One-Above-All He does

The One-Above-All Prove it @Emptyhand

The One-Above-All @EmptyHand Regardless of whether Infinity Conflict was a piece of ****, it still holds that in Marvel, you can't mix Post-Retcon and Pre-Retcon together, therefore this TOAA is omnipotent because Post-Retcon TOAA is a separate character here.

The Presence The One-Above-All is not omnipotent, and he never has been.

The One-Above-All Toaa was never Omnipotent

The One-Above-All The Presence isn't omnipotent either.

Over Monitor >>> The Source => The Presence

The One-Above-All The source > The presence? hell no

The One-Above-All Then rank those three.

The One-Above-All The presence was stated as > the over monitor once so, The presence > Over monitor >>> Source

The One-Above-All When was the Presence > Over Monitor when he exists inside of it? I thought the source and the Presence were related.

The One-Above-All Over-Monitor = TOAA =>>>> Presence (Don't ask how it works, it just does).

The One-Above-All It actually doesnt

The Presence Nah, where's the proof? You can't just say TOAA=>>>> The Presence (which is a contradiction in itself) without any evidence to back that up.

The One-Above-All Maybe the fact that John Constantine tricked the Presence.

The One-Above-All @Dark_Wing Not just John Constantine, but the fact Elaine Belloc and Great Evil Beast are supposedly the same power level. How can you have 3 "omnipotent" beings" (Maybe I'm wrong and you can)? Not the same for TOAA and Fulcrum.

The One-Above-All That's what I'm sayings, you can't have three omnipotent beings, oh wait since there all beneath the Over Monitor and the Source, none of them can be anywhere near omnipotent. I brought up John Constantine because he is the weakest character that beat the Presence, no offense to John Constantine (who is really powerful) but The Presence is supposed to be god and John Constantine is not god. Can you please quit bringing up debates that had been over for more than 20 days?

The Presence Lol, "there all beneath Source". Lucifer, not only flew past him, he literally ignored the Source, Source is so insignificant compared to Lucifer or anyone on Vertigo level. Destiny himself carries the Source in his book. Source is MOST CERTAINLY NOT above them. And neither is Over Monitor, it's a piece of trash.

The One-Above-All I don't actually want to vote in case it throws off the balance. Really neither should win because it defeats the purpose of who they are

The One-Above-All There all beneath source? What a lot of bull ****!

The One-Above-All Prove to me that The Presence is not beneath the Over Monitor. Lukfer flew past the Source like it was nothing because The source had no reason to even care about him nor try to stop him.

The One-Above-All NO, he doesn't, the presence smacks

The One-Above-All No, he isn't.

The One-Above-All https://youtu.be/H2ZLFY81K0I

The One-Above-All That was just an aspect of TOAA. The Presence is everything DC. TOAA created everything Marvel.