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2099
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The One-Above-All It's TOAA! TOBA is a different character
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CoffeeAxis
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Neutral Tie
2099
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The One-Above-All The presence is shaped by external forces, while TOAA is an external force itself.
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Sofia08
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The Presence TOAA is created by The Writer too lol
Sofia08
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The Presence "The Presence was created by The Writer" lol, that's really funny considering The Presence was once present as The Writer in Vertigo comics.
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2099
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The One-Above-All Every character is created by someone, but being author's fictional representative and being "shaped by external forces" sounds different.
Sofia08
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The Presence and The Presence who spoke to Lucifer himself was "Avatar".

That's enough to provide proof that the External Force is The Presence in its true form because The Presence has been confirmed by The Writer as "God", while "God" itself certainly doesn't have a form that can be described by human reason!
2099
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The One-Above-All Sorry I don't get any proof. can you quote the exact line from the pic that makes me think that he was an avatar.
Sofia08
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The Presence "A plea for understanding father? That's grotesque, like that body you've chosen to press up in" that proved that what was in front of him was just an avatar!
2099
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The One-Above-All So we have 2 important lines from this comic. The first emphasizes that the presence meeting Lucifer is shaped by external forces. The second says that he is not true form. Based on this information we can conclude 2 different things
1)This avatar is created by true form presence so as he said The true form is external force.
In this case TOA = The presence
2)This avatar is shaped by author's as well as his real form. being avatar does not mean that his true form should be made by real form only.
P.s As this debate can be either way I'll change my vote to neutral and suggest to do same because this is not discussion about the presence only. You didn't say even one argument proving that Presence is more powerful than TOA (We only discussed his relation to external forces and avatars)
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Sofia08
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The Presence You yourself said that TOAA is the embodiment of Author, while in DC, Author is only one aspect of The Presence, see my scan when The Presence appears as Author above
Sofia08
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The Presence When Rita-Farr fuses with The Presence Realm (External Force) she is endowed with the ability to reboot the entire DC verse (Including Pralaya and Overvoid).

So this is more than enough to prove that The Presence is stronger than TOAA, because characters who are endowed with powers such as Elaine Belloc and Rita Farr have the potential to become Supreme Beings (Creatures who have control over Verse / Author tier)
2099
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The One-Above-All What makes you think that one above all wouldn't be able to do same? I don't think that it's even debatable that the presence is not stronger than TOA.
TOA >= Presence
First time I see somebody voting presence because he thinks he would win.
P.s Saw the last scan and it does not change anything for me because as they are different characters they both did something that another one didn't. But does Presence have feeats that are impossible for TOA to do? it's the only question that matters
Sofia08
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The Presence Because TOAA bound by Mystery, that make him not Omni science lol
2099
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The One-Above-All Presence: ''lets fight me TOA"
TOA: "No, I will lose I don't truly understand the love phenomenon"
does it seem real?
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Sofia08
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The Presence blame the author for making TOAA bound by mystery, while The Presence is claimed by the author as an omniscience being
2099
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The One-Above-All Do you really think that the presence is almighty in his universe?
Sofia08
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The Presence Yes he is

And Author said, everythings in DC just aspect by The Presence no one can compare him
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2099
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The One-Above-All So if you think he is, answer to simply question: Can presence create a stone that no one can lift?
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Sofia08
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The Presence did you not read my scan above that the author says "Everything's is an aspect of The Presence"? Or are you just still insisting on downgrading him?
2099
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The One-Above-All I've read and took into consideration but I don't think that you can truly understand what does omnipotence mean so answer to my question
Sofia08
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The Presence He can do everything he wanted
2099
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The One-Above-All including creating a stone that no one can lift?
Sofia08
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The Presence in DC verses, Yes, because he is a representation of "God" by DC writers.
2099
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The One-Above-All Ok lets assume that he created such a stone. would he able to lift it?
Sofia08
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The Presence He can do everything he wanted
2099
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The One-Above-All omg look what I ask! how many times are you going to repeat this general nonsense answer?
My question is so simple and clear and answer directly
can he create a stone no one can lift and then if you think he can will he also be able to lift it himself?
Sofia08
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The Presence can't you read he is God in the DC verse that must have made him, can do whatever you say, stop acting silly.
2099
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The One-Above-All I'm done.
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The Presence When you have two omnipotent beings they stalemate each other. Omnipotence cannot defeat omnipotence. Unless one of them is not truly omnipotent? Remember that time the One Above All admitted he couldn't stop Thanos with the regulator because he's only omnipotent in a "well-functioning system?"
LadyGaladriel1212
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The One-Above-All The presence is a created being so TOAA wins.
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Sofia08
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The Presence No he is not, stop giving the false argument about The Presence
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LadyGaladriel1212
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The One-Above-All @Sofia08 if that is so than why did I get 2 upvotes, tell them to them as well, he was literarily created by external forces.
Sofia08
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The Presence Upvoting may be a biased Marvel fan, also in the scan when Presence says that he was created by an External Force, because The Presence never uses his original form in the comics because the author himself says that he is the embodiment of God who God Himself does not have a physical form like TOAA!

So, External Force = The Presence of God
Sofia08
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The Presence Can you provide Proof or Scan when The Presence uses its true form in the comics? Definitely not, because The Presence himself always uses Avatar as a means to interact with his creations, even during the Vertigo comics that is not his real form!
Sofia08
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The Presence TOAA is just an "avatar" of writer/editor/artist, he is not the embodiment of Marvel's founder because Jack Kirby himself prefers The Fulcrum as himself in the comics and Stan Lee prefers Excelsior Hulk over TOAA as himself, also TOAA is now taken over by Al Ewing who will make himself only on par with The Writer (Grant Morrison) which is one aspect of The Presence or what you know better as the External Force.
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The One-Above-All @Sofia08 Before existence, there was only a Great Darkness; a single, black infinitude. Within that darkness, however, a single, burning Light was born. As it grew, the darkness screamed, resulting in an imperceptable flaw in the once-immaculate perception of the Light. And in that moment, the cosmos was born.[6]

As "the Voice", the Light created the word and the Omniverse. In the process, it wrote its divine name into all creation on a submolecular level, making the Light present in all things. The I found this online and this proves that he is a created being. The cosmos is being refused as the presence and if this does not convince you (which it obviously wont because you are a fanboy)I done debating since you accused everyone being biased towards him even though it is just the fax.
Sofia08
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The Presence That's just Great Darkness and The Light's explanation, no one calls it The Presence, you call me a fanboy but you don't look at yourself and always downgrade The Presence, and for a fanboy like yourself, I'm telling you that The Light is an avatar of The Presence!
Sofia08
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The Presence You loose.
2099
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The One-Above-All @Sofia08 Your picture does not prove that the great evil beast meant the presence when he mentioned avatars. As GEB is avatar himself. The words "each of them unaware of their connection to a larger will" was a hint about his relation to Lucifer.
P.s @LadyGaladriel1212 was right.
Unlike TOA, The presence is created by author.
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Sofia08
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The Presence @2099 The Light itself is just one of the many avatars The Presence have, also has in the scan, not showing The Great Evil Beast but The Great Darkness which is the third strongest being in DC.

and @LadyGaladriel herself is just giving an opinion that has absolutely nothing to do with The Presence, and then you defend her just because she agrees with you even though what she's giving doesn't make any sense where it comes from.
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The One-Above-All @Sofia08 did you just assume my gender? I'm a dude lol. PS and I am right about my opinion
Sofia08
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The Presence about what? about The Great Darkness and The Light? it has nothing to do with The Presence other than the fact that The Light is just an avatar of The Presence, did you see my statement above? The Presence created by External Force is just an avatar of the real The Presence, The Presence's original form is an Author (see my scan in the top comment) and you say that I am biased when you don't look at yourself that you are blinded by fake scans :)
LadyGaladriel1212
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The One-Above-All @Sofia08 I am blinded by fake scans, yeah whatever, you're lucky that there are kids on this site. I'm not going to debate with you because you are just a fanboy so why don't you assume everyones gender while you are at it. I'm not going to reply back if you respond.
Sofia08
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The Presence That's what a stubborn person like you, calling me a fanboy said when I managed to debunk you, you have such a narrow mind!
Sofia08
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The Presence read the author's statement, that can debunk everything you say with 100% accurately
LadyGaladriel1212
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The One-Above-All That was only from his point of view and he said everyone else opinion was also correct including mine
Sofia08
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The Presence you forgot the fact that he is a DC writer :)
Sofia08
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The Presence The Writer opinion >>> Your opinion
LadyGaladriel1212
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The One-Above-All Sigh if only the down vote option was here... He literary said everyone else's opinion mattered as well son done just say his is more valuable, you can't claim someone is omnipotent but that does not mean they are. Now for the love old god stop replying I'm sick of getting your damn notifications
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The Presence I have provided accurate evidence that he is not a created being. Look at all the scans I gave you but I forgot that you are just a biased person far more biased than someone I know. And TOAA is not Omnipotent, you damn fanboy!
LadyGaladriel1212
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The One-Above-All I like how you never got a single upvote on your comments but I have, also why do you always use exclamation points on your comments how is this exciting? I am not a fanboy, you are now stop replying to me. I don't mind debates but I do when I debate with people who show bias. Also I read your debate with @2099 and you never debunked anything he said along with me. You claim we are baised but it is the reverse. Now stop replying to me
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The One-Above-All In the end, TOAA emerges the winner according to the Votes.
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Neutral Who will win
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The One-Above-All TOAA.
Aleazlllll
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The One-Above-All changed my mind
mouxiez
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The One-Above-All Stalemate.
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The One-Above-All Wow, what a battle. Keanu Reeves vs. Winston Churchill in comics world.
Sam_howell
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The One-Above-All TOAA Solos.
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Neutral I change my vote
mkelley291
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The Presence they're both the same person, but i find the presence to be more interesting, and alot cooler
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The One-Above-All Nope bro the presence is nothing even he can't beat blight so how he can defeat toaa
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Neutral valutate voi
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Neutral Stalemate. These two are evenly matched.
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The Presence It seems to me that The-One-Above-All has admitted that he is not completely omnipotent.
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vcowles77
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Neutral Then overvoid should not be omnipotent then?
DC
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The One-Above-All Yes since he is not omniscient he doesn't really deserve omnipotence.
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The One-Above-All Damn ill change my vote again
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Neutral In my opinion, they are tied because if you click the arrow that says power stats right below the character profile photo, the official superhero database stats says that their power level is both 46,772,920,194,492 (I know the green sign says that they are both infinity, but it’s not; click the arrow and it will present a finite number below the stats). Therefore, they cannot harm each other in any way.
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The One-Above-All 💀☠️💀☠️
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The One-Above-All Great TOAA = Solos Your favourite fodder verse
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Neutral if 2 omnipotent beings exist at the same time neither of them are omnipotent
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Neutral Exactly, that’s why their power level is both 46,772,920,194,492 (click arrow right below profile picture and below stats it shows their true number) So yeah they’re not infinity in power, so you’re right both aren’t Omnipotent
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Neutral Who will win?
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MoNsTeR
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Neutral Rage quit would be retcon multiverse
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The One-Above-All The One-Above-all won against the presence in this game. completely Smashes the dream solo marvel of @Atemporal.
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The One-Above-All TOAA looks like a chad gamer, so I'll go with him 😂😂
MoNsTeR
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Neutral lucifer be like: are ya winning dad
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The One-Above-All Do not touch, gaming PC of the Presence and TOAA They control their multiverse with it.
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The One-Above-All Imagine getting 23 upvotes
Pe
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Neutral They are equal in strength
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The One-Above-All The Presence = a little omnipotent, Reigns over a small universe with small gods.
One-Above-All = A true omnipotent reigns over a larger universe with supreme gods.
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The Presence Nope
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The Presence @God_of_Humanity, look at his name for once...His name is @TheOne_Above_All, this marvel fan clearly loves TOAA so much he named his own profile after TOAA along with a photo of him lol. Seriously, what is with Marvel fans? So many people like Marvel now it is absolutely overrated.
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The Presence Exactly
ICVonDoom
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The One-Above-All @theone_above no such thing as omnipotence
Omnipotence contradicts itself
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The Presence Absolutely not. They are both omnipotent
So they're equal
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Neutral "a little omnipotent"?
you cant just be a little omnipotent... you either are or you arent
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The Presence Absolutely wron bud
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Neutral DC trolls moment
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wade
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Neutral What was I talking about they stalemate 😂
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The Presence Here's the thing, The One-Above-All has an equal; The One-Below-All. God is god because no one is equal to his power. No one is equal to The Presence. Sure, Ellaine is a close second but not an equal. I think The Presence beats TOAA because of TOBA.
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not voted No its not TOBA is god of hell and TOAA is god of all and represents stan lee the writers can make powerful characters and even erase them
wade
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Neutral @Eraser_on_a_pencil TOBA and TOAA both represent the writer
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The One-Above-All TOAA: [to Peter Parker] do you want to see me erase another god from existence?
Peter Parker: With pleasure.
Tartarus
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The One-Above-All in this omnipotent battle TOAA IS HARDSTOMP.
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Pe
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Neutral They wouldn't fight because there is no need
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not voted Someone proved Presence is not omnipotent lol.
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The Presence You don't need to be Omnipotent to rape TOAA, Thanos already did.
Get your fucking alt out of here, Retarganic.
Atemporal
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The Presence is the same shit, Autistic Marveltard
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Neutral Relax bro, not to mention that was an avatar of TOAA aka OAA which not only is significantly weaker than actual TOAA, but that comic you speak of is pretty much discredited in the comic scaling community as it was the creator of Thanos and he loves to dick ride his character.
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The One-Above-All One above all literally one shot no comparison marvel have 100 character can one the presence
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Atemporal
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The Presence Name them.
Meerrahmat
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The One-Above-All Pre recton beyonder
Multi oblivion
Multi eternity
True living trabunal
House of ideas vision
House of ideas nyx
Now.
Then
Gwenpool
Gutter space doom
Divine creator
Man thing power of divine creator
One below all
Cosmic immortal hulk etc

And I'm telling about DC the presence don't include vertigo I know vertigo the presence is omnipotent and equal one above all and the beyonder
Atemporal
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The Presence Vertigo and DC are the same, they merged and everything is canon in DC
I only read 14 and where are the 100? (Neither can, but I'd like to meet those characters.)
Meerrahmat
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The One-Above-All No vertigo and dc both deferens and vertigo is part of DC but this time vertigo is rectoned like beyonder and the presence is not omnipotent being and DC like utu Los overvoid the writer etc can one shot the presence
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The Presence in my opinion they're pretty much the same person, but the presence is alot more interesting, and a little bit cooler
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The Presence And you do realize that was all in Vertigo, correct? There's a difference between the main DCU and Vertigo. Vertigo is like another version of DC. Vertigo is not cannon at all to the main DCU. In the main DCU, they call God The Presence, but in Vertigo, God is referred to as Yahweh. So you have it all wrong.
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Neutral And toaa was beaten by thanos
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The One-Above-All First of All he wasn't Evil that was only a aspect of presence second that wasn't TOAA it was an avatar named above all others
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The One-Above-All Lol this is basically asking who do you like more, Marvel or DC? I like Marvel slightly better.
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The One-Above-All TOAA wins

He's cooler ig.
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The One-Above-All Should be a stalemate, but TOAA is the most op character of all time
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The One-Above-All In a match between omnipotent beings, it's usually a draw, but TOAA is probably the most op character of all time.
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The One-Above-All Hey, TOAA Do you like to play monopoly?
- The Presence.
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Neutral XD.
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The One-Above-All My favorite comment.
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not voted Who will you choice? All-Writer or God?
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Neutral the Presence can raise the dead.
The One-above-all can turn Dreams into Reality.
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not voted It's not even a balanced battle, a lot of characters would clap TOAA, The Writer is part of The Presence.

TOAA is referred to as a creator/editor/reader.

Retcon corp staff views it all as fiction.
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The Presence The presence will win💥🔥
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Neutral @MoNsTeR 16 downvotes! Wow!
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Neutral @vcowles77 i would say tie
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Neutral how are you going to beat writer 🤔
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The One-Above-All Marvel fans. 😔
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The One-Above-All This is the Second-Best Marvel VS DC Battle ever!
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The One-Above-All What’s the best?
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The One-Above-All Presence wrecks TOAA.
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The One-Above-All 2 reasons TOAA is nigh-omnipotent. His powers were copied by protege and he was absorbed by Thanos with the astral regulator.
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The One-Above-All Database have got the stats wrong because they are both Nigh-Omnipotent.
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not voted TOAA = omnipotent
The presence = omnipotent
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The Presence TOAA's powers were duplicated by Protege so TOAA is not omnipotent. The Overvoid contains all fiction and that is only part of The Presence, so The Presence is omnipotent and would blinkstomp TOAA.
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not voted The presence is not omnipotent. He struggels with Lucifer.
SU
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not voted Really? That was only the avatar of the presence? I did not know thar
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The Presence this is toaa from now on it is reconned......in future if toaa is getting feats we can update on that
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The One-Above-All Exactly people say it’s an avatar but it’s clearly not.
IAMlegend87069
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The Presence @R165, here's your proof,so for those who wanna see true form presence
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The Presence @R165 u asked me about the proof so that's why i show this...this presence is his non
physical true form...again another proof
evil presence is not the presence himself the writer himself has stated about it...
look at this tweet https://twitter.com/_kingkai_/status/889221216405422082
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Neutral In all honesty I think its a draw. I don't think they would fight in the first place. Plus they are the most powerful beings in their universes. If anything I think they would possibly just become allies. But everyone has their own opinion.
vcowles77
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Neutral Always look on the bright side of life. Monty Python >>. btoh Marvel and DC.
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The Presence by feats presence wins... and toaa cannot even stop the mess what thanos brought
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The Presence nyx also said one above all others...this is the same being that got blasted by thanos...and this nyx (who is seen omnipotent in this site) got destroyed by all marvel heroes...she got laserbeamed by cyclops...i dont think there is true form toaa ...jack kirby version is same like DC version of writer (Grant Morrison)(marvel copied it in a better way)
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The Presence if i can post some pics i can show how bigger DC cosmology is...like there are so many things that i can show how powerful presence is...really this site need to change all stats
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The One-Above-All thanos was an aspect of toaa:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-4e246a315575f5f2f7d51796c00fb761
he was below oblivion/the outside:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c9de2f012546324c397e1dcdd6fb7ccb
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e9e6ebf22d76113b29debf8064eddba2
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f25e353ec9170ae592326286c63d6b39
jim starlin aka an avatar of toaa view all the infinity ending storyline as mere fiction:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c37742bc5985a00665e1be8f567f2b1e
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0d7a8d2298b6cfea716647c0e231fd66
heck toaa is way beyond the outside/oblivion:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-67de87cbc5b8b71079726814245da3e5
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-74ddbb5a44a577c3875458b3e11f1250
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a0c88e3d7bb035aa6ab9120ffbf5a1af
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-acf3c77a6f5ee66c6c32bc2af38c3605
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0b0a41f5d5ed1128438dfcfc6c7a3660
and in the hoi it was true above all others aka the peak of toaa's avatars,not toaa,heck toaa exist even above the hoi:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-92b381720caf87f9d5791c6b1700b777
the hoi views oblivion as a mere piece of paper so clearily it wasn't toaa
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The Presence bro if put more old comics to the post canon then i can put a lot of pics of presence powers stat and the writer...in the post canon the writer himself as stated that there are no aspect of toaa ...it is the same toaa that got scared and came from the outside ...and cannot stop him at all...why so much wank over toaa i dont even understand ...al ewing the writer himself stated it was the same toaa that got beat up by thanos...if the writer says so...then it is correct...house of ideas mentions the name the one above all others ...this is the same being got defeated by thanos...so stop wank...and give him 558 b
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The Presence @R165 yes i opened the private chat in settings
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Neutral This is marvel vs dc
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The One-Above-All why tf do y'all think presence will win this, sure toaa got absorbed by thanos, but that's noncanon.
Presence is nigh-omnipotent
TOAA is Omnipotent
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The Presence How about the time where Protege duplicated TOAA's powers?
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The One-Above-All duplication isn't the same as defeated unless he did which I'm not sure about
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The Presence If TOAA’s powers are able to be duplicated by others, it means TOAA is just nigh-omnipotent. There is no possible way for someone to be that close to power with TOAA if TOAA is considered omnipotent. Omnipotent beings are unbeatable and the thing is if you have an equal then you are not omnipotent.
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The One-Above-All How does that work though, you said UNBEATABLE when his powers were duplicated, and even if it meant that I'm pretty sure the database would scale him to nigh-omnipotent
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The Presence You misinterpreted what I had just said. TOAA is nigh-omnipotent because there is absolutely no way of someone being that close to him in power. Protege managed to duplicate his powers so he was equal to TOAA. Here's the thing: if you have an equal, then you are not omnipotent, period. An omnipotent being is infinite with power and no one can come close to them in power. Protege managed to considering he is able to duplicate any type of power in the Marvel multiverse.
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The One-Above-All Do.. Do you two actually believe Omnipotence exists in fiction... 🤦🏾‍♂️
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The One-Above-All I think fiction is the only place where omnipotence "exists".
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The One-Above-All Omnipotence in itself cannot exist, it is logically impossible. I am a Christian but also a person of science. I do believe created the Heaven and Earth but through the means of the big bang, anyways, I'm not going to get into my beliefs. Long story short. I don't believe my God is truly Omnipotent. Just almighty and extremely powerful beyond our comprehension. Then again, you can't comprehend Omnipotence so God is probably Omnipotent and I'm going to hell for slandering him. Not good. XD
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The Presence I don’t understand why so many of you say omnipotence can’t exist in fiction when it’s a regular and common theme in fictional universes. Omnipotence simply means being all powerful. It’s not that hard to understand.
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The One-Above-All @Mr_Incognito "Omnipotence" can exist but it isn't true Omnipotence. Nigh-Omnipotence and Omnipotence is vague to be honest. Just like the words "God" and "Demon", nothing but titles thrown around. Sentry, Superman, Galactus, Odin, Darkseid etc have been stated to be Omnipotent.
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The Presence Overvoid contains everything and that is only part of The Presence. Presence blinkstomps Marvel.
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The One-Above-All That wasnt TOAA, that was the above all other, they are not the same thing. Above all others is way weaker then toaa. TOAA stomps
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The Presence Nyx admits AAO and TOAA are the same. The Overvoid contains all fiction and that is only an aspect of The Presence. Presence blinkstomps.
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The One-Above-All thanos was an aspect of toaa:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-4e246a315575f5f2f7d51796c00fb761
he was below oblivion/the outside:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c9de2f012546324c397e1dcdd6fb7ccb
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e9e6ebf22d76113b29debf8064eddba2
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f25e353ec9170ae592326286c63d6b39
jim starlin aka an avatar of toaa view all the infinity ending storyline as mere fiction:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c37742bc5985a00665e1be8f567f2b1e
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0d7a8d2298b6cfea716647c0e231fd66
heck toaa is way beyond the outside/oblivion:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-67de87cbc5b8b71079726814245da3e5
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-74ddbb5a44a577c3875458b3e11f1250
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a0c88e3d7bb035aa6ab9120ffbf5a1af
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-acf3c77a6f5ee66c6c32bc2af38c3605
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0b0a41f5d5ed1128438dfcfc6c7a3660
and in the hoi it was true above all others aka the peak of toaa's avatars,not toaa,heck toaa exist even above the hoi:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-92b381720caf87f9d5791c6b1700b777
the hoi views oblivion as a mere piece of paper so clearily it wasn't toaa
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The One-Above-All 1)copy and paste it,where's the problem,2)al ewing even said that his statements on twitter are meaningless
3)ok and with this? 4)nope lmao,oblivion is the canvas aka the outside
5)al ewing only said that they haven't true forms but they can have avatars and i debunked ur claim as well
good ignorance,try again dude who don't know the cosmology
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The Presence 1. He is my friend and he is new. It may take time for him to learn this. So if you can't copy then it's your problem idc.
2. Infinite nothingness does not fulfills the demand for even 1b(Hyperversal).
3. Oblivion is the canvas (the outside) , , oblivion transcends multi eternity in an inaccesible amount. , and multi eternity is the omniverse , and marvel omniverse contains all other fictional verses including dc and real world , by this , oblivion aka the outside>>>multi eternity >>>dc by your overvoid scaling. Also overvoid is defenceless against sos , even sos literally broke overvoid , now don't even dare to say sos >>marvel lmfao. Sos is fodder for god tiers of marvel.
4. Lmfao. She just went beyond creation. Also by this pralaya is bounded by creation and oblivion is thousand times above that.
5. Lmfao. Even comic also says toaa represents all writers ,readers , artists . , , , even his avatars are stated to be author of all things , so since , al ewings statement matches with comics so his only this statement is right. But his statement that toaa has not true form is invalid becoz comics proves that he has true form.
6. I will not continue this debate here. Join the server and debate me over there.
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The One-Above-All 1)i asked u to come on ds,one last time come or idc,2)u don't have time?i've sent the link,if u don't look at the scans it's not a problem of mine,u have time to link ur scans but not to look at mine?how hilarious
3)oblivion is the outside:
[img] https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-2eecfa9bf150042a19e8222b05a70123 [/ img]
which was implied several times to be the canvas

4)"So the statement about TOAA is the Author, Editor, and Reader itself is a lie, and the statement that TOAA is the House of Ideas itself is false because it was written on Twitter by the author." it isn't since it has been confirmed in comics as well,the hoi is a facet of toaa,even then confirmed it lmao
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The Presence 1. Idc about anyone.
2. I am 1000000% sure you don't know anything about dimensional scaling. Do you? 1A is outerversal and requirements of 1A is this "Characters who functionally transcend the rest of the Tiering System, and stand outside of any extensions of infinite hierarchies and sizes, to varying degrees and magnitudes. In more straightforward terms, this category could be said to be occupied by characters whose size and/or level of power cannot be reached by merely stacking bigger infinities on top of each other."- and pralaya even in her true form does not fulfills the demand of it. Pralaya at it's true form is at best high 1b.
3. Pralaya is not the canvas lmao. It is fodder for multi eternity. oblivion is above overvoid tiers.
4. I never told him to attack you. He just saw your statements and that's why joined the site. Also what you and your friend lazada attacking me??
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The Presence @R165 Join the server and debate me over there https://discord.gg/MFa7jEjW , don't reply here anymore.
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The Presence 1. Lmao creation in dc is at best high 1c not 1b lmao. You need to prove how creation on dc is 1b. Btw, even avatar eternity high 1A. So i guess no need of multi eternity. Avatar eternity solos lmao.
2. I never told anyone to attack you. Ask @Simeon2021c
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The Presence I will talk about universal eternity which contains a universe.
1.Cosmic Cubes gave Thanos Godhood (defined as Dominion over all planes of Reality)


Kubik can control all of Reality and Existence (Which itself is Transfinite Number of Layers)
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There are Infinite number of Transfinite levels of Infinity within a single Eternity.
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Where Celestials are many Cardinals above Cosmic Cubes.


Kosmos and Kubik think of Celestials as merely parts of a game that Eternity plays


Scan saying that Universal Eternity is Far Transfinite over his M-bodies


Universal Eternities are merely cells compared to True Multi Eternity.
So with this even universal eternity is high outerversal (high 1A) not just 1A.
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The Presence Yeah coming from a guy who did not proved a single think. Dc only reaches 1A after godsphere. Btw, you still did not joined the discord server lol.
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The Presence You’re one of the most annoying people I’ve ever come across.
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The Presence I’m talking about Tahsin, not you.
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The Presence @Tahsin Join what? Join your server just to argue? No one is going to join your server because arguing all day is something no one wants to do.
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The Presence @Mr_Incognito Now this is more than enough. Can you tell exactly what is your problem if i debate or give my opinion here. The debate was mine and r165's. If you really hate me that much then why don't you stop talking with me? Even i left the site for sometime yet it still pisses you off. I can not do anything over that. Even this time i did not sweared anyone. It is your problem.

@EnDico Correction: This is my friend's server. I don't have any server. Btw, i told to join bc i don't remain active that much in the site . Btw, who is talking with you? Why are you interfering??
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The Presence You insult people, call characters fodder, and overall just act really immature. That annoys me.
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The Presence @Mr_Incognito Ok sorry for that. But when did i told that now? 😑
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Neutral @R165 how did you create this post with pictures?? Do you copying this from somewhere??
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The One-Above-All The Marvel universe is larger than dc. so TOAA
I say wins.
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The One-Above-All @Lazada Ok i am convinced immediately
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The One-Above-All @ArdaX000991 That's false. Grant Morrison doesn't have authority over Marvel. By those same standards, Marvel has shown characters reading DC comics. That doesn't mean Daredevil of all people views the Presence as fictional.
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The One-Above-All @AkhilPDX Ok,
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Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
Thanos absorbed TOAA Avatar not TOAA
Be more like TOAA and The Presence
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The Presence You realize that when TOAA says, "The mystery intrigues me," that means there is a mystery to TOAA and omniscient beings just don't have any mysteries to them so TOAA is only nigh-omniscient. Just an FYI.
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The Presence Yeah good ignorance. Mystery itself is the page where toaa writes stories , it is a place and beyond farshore , also can't you stop talking dumb things. I destroyed you so badly that you did not even replied to my thread. Stop being biased towards presence.
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The Presence Also toaa does not said there is a mystery to toaa. Mystery in marvel is actually a place and by above scans proves it . Stop talking about marvel when you don't know a shit about it.
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The Presence Nobody is going to agree with you so knock it off. When TOAA says, "The mystery intrigues me," it means there is a mystery that interests TOAA so he isn't omniscient. You think I worship DC a little to much? Look at yourself for once, you worship and treat TOAA as if he is above omnipotence like he can solo anyone in any comic book but TOAA is the dumbest most pathetic fodder I have ever seen in my life. Regulator Thanos stomped TOAA and Protege stomped TOAA.


Jack Kirby has his own separate profile and has nothing to do with TOAA. TOAA is at best equal to The Source in DC. The Source is the source of all existence in DC making The Source the Omniverse itself, which completely matches TOAA except TOAA is only Multiversal.


The Source and TOAA are both a massive beam of energy so they are equal but TOAA is only Multiversal while The Source is Omniversal. The Source is the Omniverse itself while TOAA is the multiverse itself. Also, TOAA admits it isn't true omnipotent.

TOAA is not the true god of Marvel. In fact, there are no omnipotent beings in Marvel as of right now. The only omnipotent being in Marvel is Jack Kirby since he made his own appearance in Marvel. Other than that, there are no omnipotent beings in Marvel.
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The Presence @Lazada I agree with you. @Galactus @Ezio please mute @Tahsin the dude is constantly following me and is always arguing with everything I say on this website. It is beginning to frustrate me so please mute him or something because he is just a toxic user.
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The Presence @Lazada Sure you should at least read my comment before making fake allegiation on me . I never used b*** or f****. I think you are onto something lol.
@EnDico Follow? I have no reason for following you. I just saw you telling same things again so i just ce to defend toaa here.
1. "Nobody is going to agree with you so knock it off. When TOAA says, "The mystery intrigues me," it means there is a mystery that interests TOAA so he isn't omniscient. You think I worship DC a little to much? Look at yourself for once, you worship and treat TOAA as if he is above omnipotence like he can solo anyone in any comic book but TOAA is the dumbest most pathetic fodder I have ever seen in my life. Regulator Thanos stomped TOAA and Protege stomped TOAA. "- Again is it your hobby to bring up same scans again and again. First, mystery is a place in marvel , it is the next place in marvel beyond the farshore , so your entire point is wrong. Again scathan the approver destroyed protege , and toaa>>>scathan the approver. Again that was an avatar of toaa. True toaa embodies every single real world author , writer , reader( meaning every single writer are his aspects ) , so protege just copied an weakened avatar of toaa. About regulator thanos then the above all others that got defeated was within deep space , and true above all others(one above all others) exists within hoi , so that above all others was basically an m body's m body. True one above all >>>true above all others >>>above all others . Again infinity conflict is non canon , again that jack kirby and toaa are same. Jack kirby said , "the mystery intrigues me" meaning mystery worships him , and mystery worships toaa. Toaa also said the same sentence ,"the mystery intrigues me" , so again that was toaa and you can not ignore that. Also it proves toaa is omniscient.
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The Presence @EnDico 2. "TOAA is at best equal to The Source in DC. The Source is the source of all existence in DC making The Source the Omniverse itself, which completely matches TOAA except TOAA is only Multiversal. "- ok now we have our source😂😂😂 who is so strong that he got bodied by skyfather's , , also source is featless. I have doubts that is it really above marvel's odin😂😂😂.
3. "The Source and TOAA are both a massive beam of energy so they are equal but TOAA is only Multiversal while The Source is Omniversal. The Source is the Omniverse itself while TOAA is the multiverse itself. Also, TOAA admits it isn't true omnipotent."- This is infinity conflict which is not canon , so toaa is true omnipotent.
4. "TOAA is not the true god of Marvel. In fact, there are no omnipotent beings in Marvel as of right now. The only omnipotent being in Marvel is Jack Kirby since he made his own appearance in Marvel. Other than that, there are no omnipotent beings in Marvel."-All of your scans have been debunked. You should stop being ironic here. Toaa is omnipotent. You never proved why he is not omnipotent. So stop voting presence. This is actually fanboyism
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The Presence @EnDico Tbh i had no intention on bringing my presence debunks again. But it looks like you left me no choice. So be it.
1. Presence is shaped by some external forces , and those external forces are human's dream confirmed by mike carey and in sandman issue 18. , , , , this is supported when morpheus said all gods begin from his realm https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5877888-sandman%2030%20gods%20are%20born%20and%20die%20in%20his%20realm.jpg , so presemce is atbest collective unconsiousness tier in marvel and that means he is at best equal to gods like thor , odin etc. , , , , again if you bring the scan of presence holding a brush then let me remind you even gwenpool has better feats then this , , , Again sea of brahma is beyond presence where even lucifer can go , and even blight is above presence , even ellaine belloc can hide things from presence , so yeah best of luck proving presence
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The Presence And you do realize that all of your claims were all from Sandman comics, right? Vertigo is non-canon to DC so it doesn't apply to the main DCU at all. There are 2 versions of The Presence: Vertigo and the main DCU. In Vertigo, The Presence is treated much differently. The Presence is one with the Overvoid which he admits in the Buddha story. The Buddha (Presence) and Lucifer (Monkey King), here the Monkey King claims he can jump to the Overvoid from Creation in just 1 jump. However, when the Monkey King thinks he beats the Buddha, The Buddha shows his hand and it's the sign that the Monkey King had drawn in the Overvoid so The Presence is one with the Overvoid. So, no matter how many times Lucifer escapes The Prsence's plan, The Presence will always be there and is therefore one with the Overvoid. No escape.



And that isn't the only proof The Presence is one with the Overvoid. One of the writers of Vertigo even admits the Overvoid is only a mere aspect of The Presence.

In Vertigo, The Presence admits that it is a product of outside forces, but this is a reference to the writers of Vertigo but also a reference to the minds and imaginations of humanity. Now, let's switch to the main DCU. The Presence is Grant Morrison (DC writer) since The Presence was caught holding a paint brush in one of the Animal Man series. We all know The Presence is the Abrahamic God in both Vertigo and DCU.



And when Spectre merges with the void beyond all voids, it admits The Presence surpasses everyone and everything in creation. And this the void beyond all voids, FYI.

And by the way, the picture you posted that TOAA admits he sees everything, the mystery intrigues him etc, just realize that claims are NOT facts. TOAA is the most featless character in Marvel so there is absolutely no proof of him being the writer or anything. TOAA's name was never mentioned during the Jack Kirby scene so he isn't the writer. Jack Kirby has his own separate profile. That's why TOAA is at best equal to The Source since The Source is the source of all existence in the DC Omniverse and TOAA is the source of all existence in the Marvel Multiverse. Since The Presence is proved to be Grant Morrison, this means one thing: Writer=True Omnipotence.
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The Presence I'll argue some more if that is what you want. In Vertigo, you know how The Presence was killed by archangel Gabriel? Lucifer admits this was a trick all along.

And Lucifer himself even admits The Presence is true omnipotent in Vertigo.

And also, The Dark Presence is not one with the true Presence. Lucifer supports this claim as well. Lucifer states that this isn't his father (Presence) and he knows it. Dark Presence and True Presence aren't the same and never were.

Now, The Presence and GEB aren't equal in power. It is The Presence who is more powerful. The reason why I say this is because when The Presence and GEB merged, GEB was never seen again and that proves The Presence absorbed it considering The Presence is infinite and eternal while GEB is not.

And finally, The Presence shocked the Overvoid when the Overvoid figures out that The Presence's creation had actually existed and began studying it. This proves the Overvoid is only nigh-omniscient. The Presence is omniscient because when it admits it is shaped by outside forces, it is aware of the writers of Vertigo and only an omniscient being is aware of that.
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The Presence And no, The Presence is not equal to the gods of DC. The Presence is THE God of DC who sits above all other gods. The Presence is everywhere but also nowhere at once. Even as the form of a dog, no one could handle the energy of The Presence. This is the main DCU we are talking about, not the Sandman/Vertigo comics.


The Presence speaks through every being and everything in creation.

Spectre even admits The Presence sits above all others.

The Presence created the DC multiverse just by using it's hand.

The Presence became aware of itself even when it was unconscious in it's true form (Divine Presence). The Presence actually created itself in it's true form.

What more can I say? The Presence is omnipotent. It is God with a capital G. TOAA hasn't shown ANY of these feats at all while The Presence actually did to prove us that it is God of the entire DC Omniverse.
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The One-Above-All @EnDico which issue is this from??
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The Presence @EnDico 1. "And you do realize that all of your claims were all from Sandman comics, right? Vertigo is non-canon to DC so it doesn't apply to the main DCU at all. There are 2 versions of The Presence: Vertigo and the main DCU. In Vertigo, The Presence is treated much differently. The Presence is one with the Overvoid which he admits in the Buddha story. The Buddha (Presence) and Lucifer (Monkey King), here the Monkey King claims he can jump to the Overvoid from Creation in just 1 jump. However, when the Monkey King thinks he beats the Buddha, The Buddha shows his hand and it's the sign that the Monkey King had drawn in the Overvoid so The Presence is one with the Overvoid. So, no matter how many times Lucifer escapes The Prsence's plan, The Presence will always be there and is therefore one with the Overvoid. No escape."- What??? Vertigo is canon to dc https://drive.google.com/file/d/167lyCBhPgfEHRqrazqnJN7f1t8Ydq88B/view?usp=drivesdk , so yeah vertigo is canon and presence has only 1 version. Also do you realize tgat your scans related to buddha is from lucifer 2000 series which is published by vertigo https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Lucifer-2000/Issue-75?id=23753 , so again you said vertigo is non canon. So i guess presence himself is non canon lmfao😂😂😂. You should at least read comics before coming to any debate. Again let's see your scans. You realize that the buddha and monkey king related scans were only a story narrating by presence , btw , how the buddha from the story is presence and monkey king is lucifer ? In the scans no where it says that monkey king is lucifer and buddha is presence. It is your own believe without prove whom idc. For the fact, in the same run , when the story about buddha was over lucifer legit goes putside presence's plan and denyies him , so your scans are invalid. Also where did you find overvoid?? Monkey king only went at the edge of creation not overvoid. Overvoid is where presence is born and presence is bounded by it , so i don't know how you found overvoid here.
2. "And that isn't the only proof The Presence is one with the Overvoid. One of the writers of Vertigo even admits the Overvoid is only a mere aspect of The Presence."- Yeah sure JM de matteis is marvel writer. His 90% comics are of marvel . He don't know anything about dc.
3. "In Vertigo, The Presence admits that it is a product of outside forces, but this is a reference to the writers of Vertigo but also a reference to the minds and imaginations of humanity. Now, let's switch to the main DCU. The Presence is Grant Morrison (DC writer) since The Presence was caught holding a paint brush in one of the Animal Man series. We all know The Presence is the Abrahamic God in both Vertigo and DCU."-Writer ??? Lmao.The external forces that shaped presence was the collective unconsiousness of humans , and about presence holding a brush then even gwenpool is better than that ,
3. "And when Spectre merges with the void beyond all voids, it admits The Presence surpasses everyone and everything in creation. And this the void beyond all voids, FYI."-This is not even hyperversal lmao.
4. "And by the way, the picture you posted that TOAA admits he sees everything, the mystery intrigues him etc, just realize that claims are NOT facts. TOAA is the most featless character in Marvel so there is absolutely no proof of him being the writer or anything. TOAA's name was never mentioned during the Jack Kirby scene so he isn't the writer. Jack Kirby has his own separate profile. That's why TOAA is at best equal to The Source since The Source is the source of all existence in the DC Omniverse and TOAA is the source of all existence in the Marvel Multiverse. Since The Presence is proved to be Grant Morrison, this means one thing: Writer=True Omnipotence."- Lol. Can you stop spamming the same words again. Also my claims are facts. You did not posted a single scan to debunk me. Lmao. Also toaa embodies every writer/reader /creator , also jack kirby was toaa. He legit said ,"the mystery intrigues(worship) me." And the mystery intrigues toaa , , also toaa has many feats. Only you are the man who don't know a single thing about toaa. Lmao. Stop wanking presence. Again what about presence. All of his feats are debunked. Also source got defeated by skyfathers. He is not the omniverse. So lol at your logic.
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The Presence 5." I'll argue some more if that is what you want. In Vertigo, you know how The Presence was killed by archangel Gabriel? Lucifer admits this was a trick all along."-Lol. I never brought the argument of archangel killing gabriel lol.
6. "And Lucifer himself even admits The Presence is true omnipotent in Vertigo."- Yeah by statements odin is omnipotent . , again lucifer himself debunks that later. ,
7. "And also, The Dark Presence is not one with the true Presence. Lucifer supports this claim as well. Lucifer states that this isn't his father (Presence) and he knows it. Dark Presence and True Presence aren't the same and never were."-I never brought dark presence argument lol.
8. "Now, The Presence and GEB aren't equal in power. It is The Presence who is more powerful. The reason why I say this is because when The Presence and GEB merged, GEB was never seen again and that proves The Presence absorbed it considering The Presence is infinite and eternal while GEB is not." - This is irrelevant and does not debunks any of my presence debunks. I never claimed geb is equal to presence.
9. "And finally, The Presence shocked the Overvoid when the Overvoid figures out that The Presence's creation had actually existed and began studying it. This proves the Overvoid is only nigh-omniscient. The Presence is omniscient because when it admits it is shaped by outside forces, it is aware of the writers of Vertigo and only an omniscient being is aware of that." Presence never shocked overvoid. Infact, presence is born from overvoid. Overvoid existed before creation and my above scans prove that.
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The Presence 10."And no, The Presence is not equal to the gods of DC. The Presence is THE God of DC who sits above all other gods. The Presence is everywhere but also nowhere at once. Even as the form of a dog, no one could handle the energy of The Presence. This is the main DCU we are talking about, not the Sandman/Vertigo comics" - this is not even hyperversal.
11. "The Presence speaks through every being and everything in creation."- Not impressive.
12. "Spectre even admits The Presence sits above all others"-This is fodder to living tribunal.
13. "The Presence created the DC multiverse just by using it's hand."-This is empty hand not presence .
14. "The Presence became aware of itself even when it was unconscious in it's true form (Divine Presence). The Presence actually created itself in it's true form."- no he was created from overvoid.
15. "What more can I say? The Presence is omnipotent. It is God with a capital G. TOAA hasn't shown ANY of these feats at all while The Presence actually did to prove us that it is God of the entire DC Omniverse."-lmao toaa created marvel omniverse , and marvel omniverse contains every fictional verses including dc , so toaa stomps dc any time lmao. Agsin all the thing you have said about presence are fodder to marvel's superflow tier lmao.
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The Presence @R165 You know this is not a debate between me and you. https://discord.gg/MFa7jEjW , join the server and debate me over there. My name is "Eos Aizen". I will not debate in this site because i am already involved in many debates here. So either join the server or shut up.
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The Presence I can already imagine what @Tahsin would sound like on discord, lmao.
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The Presence Looking at @Tahsin's grammar, punctuation, sentences, and the words chosen, it reminds me of a toddler.
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Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
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The One-Above-All It looks real
TOAA> Marvel Universe
The Presence> DC Universe
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The One-Above-All One-above-all it was absorbed by the thanos regulator Presence won 10/10
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The One-Above-All I have to disagree with you
Because thanos absorb the power of the one-above-all avatar
This is the avatar of One-Above-All
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/f/fc/Above_All_Others.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/450?cb=20181217054345
and this is the real One-Above-All
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/omniversal-battlefield/images/d/d8/The_One_Above_All.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190723213227


The-One-Above-All >>>The presence >>>Thanos Regulator >>> Above ALL Others
>>>Living Tribunal
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The Presence It still doesn't change the fact that TOAA was STILL defeated. TOAA admits it is not true omnipotent.

Also, when TOAA said, "The mystery intrigues me," that means TOAA has a mystery to it and omniscient beings just don't have any mysteries to them so TOAA is nigh-omniscient. So, it should be more like:
The Presence>>>Thanos Regulator>>>TOAA>>>Living Tribunal.
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Neutral @ET9 You think that Thanos (astral regulator) has defeated the One-above- all, this does not mean that he will lose 100% against the presence.
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Neutral I just don't know which god is higher
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Neutral God himself
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The One-Above-All The Presence is not the god of dc so TOAA wins but overvoid flicks TOAA.
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The Presence

The Presence shocked the Overvoid when the Overvoid figured out The Presence's creation actually existed even though it actually has for as long as 20 billion years. The Overvoid is only nigh-omniscient/nigh-omnipotent but even then it still flicks TOAA because TOAA was absorbed by Thanos along with a regulator. Presence blinkstomps TOAA.
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Neutral Everyone vote Neutral
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Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
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The Presence Toaa stomps in 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 seconds
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The One-Above-All Wrong it will be a close battle.
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The Presence No toaa slaps in 0.0000000000000001 seconds.
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Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
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The One-Above-All @Tahsin just stop.
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Neutral Proof?
The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
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not voted its a draw
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Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
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The One-Above-All None of them are omnipotent but they are both the writers of there universe. But TOAA wins for me because The presence was shaped bye external forces and TOAA wasn’t.
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The Presence That was in Vertigo which is non-cannon to DC. Much like infinity conflict in Marvel, it doesn’t apply to DC at all.
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Neutral Reason its a draw
-Both Nigh Omnipotent
-Both can't be killed as they both have unlimited power and both immortal
-TOAA is "One above all" but only in the Marvel universe
-The Presence was holding a paint brush meaning he was the writer for DCU.
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The One-Above-All TOAA is omnipotent so he wins
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The Presence



The Presence is Grant Morrison who is a DC writer so The Presence is omnipotent.
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The One-Above-All TOAA take this one by a lot, he literally has unlimited power. Also he didn’t get beat by AR thanos, he absorbed above all others not TOAA .
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Neutral So does The Presence...
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The Presence then why did AR thanos beat him?
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Neutral @hbn That was The Above-All-Others.
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The Presence What's the difference?
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The Presence @HolyJoe they are the same thing
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The One-Above-All They are not.
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The One-Above-All The presence is not omnipotent so TOAA wins
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The Presence Actually he is. I get that people must think he isn't omnipotent since in Vertigo he stalemated the GEB, he admitted he was shaped by external forces, he was once killed by the archangel Gabriel, and that Lucifer managed to evade his plans, but here's the thing: Vertigo is non-cannon to DC. All of that happened in Vertigo and know the fact that Vertigo is discontinued. In the main DC Omniverse, The Presence is portrayed as the writer by Grant Morrison in one of the Animal Man series and is completely omnipotent. Now, TOAA isn't the writer and I know this for a fact. Remember when you see Jack Kirby? That wasn't TOAA because his name was never mentioned ONCE during that scene or comic, ever. Much like Animal Man ran into Grant Morrison, they all ran into Jack Kirby and he has absolutely nothing to do with TOAA. It is suggested that is TOAA, but his name was never mentioned which means TOAA isn't the writer. Protege managed to duplicate TOAA's powers and Eternity states that Protege has the ability to become omnipotent and that actually happened once just like he duplicated TOAA's powers. In DC, The Presence was holding a paint brush in Heaven which means he is the writer. So Presence>TOAA
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The Presence TOAA isn't omnipotent either
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The One-Above-All the one above all is above all
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Neutral in marvel
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The Presence only in the marvel multiverse
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The Presence In Marvel? Yes. In DC? No.
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The One-Above-All I like how even though the votes are close all the good debaters voted TOAA
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The Presence really? most people are picking TOAA just because of his name.
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The Presence Are you surprised? Marvel is overrated by the word itself. Maybe that explains why people are picking TOAA.
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The Presence There is no solid argument for either
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The One-Above-All If you think that vote neutral
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The Presence they are both nigh omni-potent
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The One-Above-All Toaa lolstomps this fodder 😂
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The Presence writers of vertigo said that Lucifer is above the writers them selves and the presence is much much more than Lucifer , one-above-all=writers
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The One-Above-All One Above All = Stan Lee Stan Lee >>>than any writer
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The Presence @Gogeta2 Your only saying that TOAA would win just because of his name. TOAA isn't the writer either because his name was never mentioned during the Jack Kirby scene.
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Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
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The Presence Changed my mind both are so unimpressive
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Neutral how are they unimpressive?
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The Presence Stalemate
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The One-Above-All Yeah Tori-bot isn’t even omnipotent he’s more like a gag character
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The Presence Here’s the thing about The One Above All. We really don’t know anything about him. He’s had a few mentions where the Living Tribunal has said he’s the only person he answers to. And we’ve had a couple of appearances where it’s been attributed to him.

For example, the Fantastic Four once visited “Heaven” and saw someone there that looked like Jack Kirby. This person demonstrated a control over reality by using an eraser to start erasing Reed’s face. No where is “The One Above All” mentioned. Nor does it explicitly state that he is “God”. It’s very highly suggested that he is God, but not necessarily the One Above All.

The next biggest appearance we have is what you have pictured. That was in a Spider-Man comic. Spider-Man was doubting his worth and whether everything he did was worth it. So this homeless guy who seemed to know everything takes a walk with Peter. Again, The One Above All isn’t mentioned. Nor is “God”. Just, again, highly suggested that it’s “God”.

Now, since we know that there is a “One Above All” and we know that he is the singular most powerful entity in Marvel. It is easy to make the leap that any reference to “God” is a reference to the One Above All. This may or may not be the case. Both of those appearances are solo. They exist in and of themselves without really being connected to anything else. No references or connections at all.

So no, he’s not Stan Lee or even Jack Kirby. He just isn’t.
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The Presence what an omniponent charecter toaa is
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The Presence TOAA, "I am the one above all others as I am above omnipotence."

Presence holds up a regulator at TOAA and states, "You can say that again. Resistance is futile."

TOAA, "NO!!!."

Marvel fans still believe TOAA wins even after defeat only because Marvel is overrated. Marvel children in a nutshell.

Just like Ron White said, “You can’t fix stupid.”
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The Presence Agreed..but why does the presence show nigh-ominpotent??he should have omnipotent powers,that's his powers
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The Presence Vertigo isn't cannon to the main DCU. Even Wikipedia states it. So basically how everyone thought The Presence was killed by Gabriel, and how he stalemated GEB, and how he passed his powers down to Elaine, all of that isn't cannon to the main DCU. It doesn't even affect the main DCU at all just like it stated in Wikipedia. Vertigo is discontinued as well. Much like the Infinity Conflict that showed TOAA isn't omnipotent, that wasn't cannon either. If we compare both Vertigo and Infinity Conflict, still The Presence > TOAA because if you were listening to The Presence talking to Lucifer about the Buddha story, it proves he is one with the Overvoid and you just can't top someone or something that is one with a place or area that is unable to exist. What I'm saying is The Presence's tier is greater than TOAA. Now if we both include the cannon stories DC and Marvel, The Presence is still greater by just one reason: Protege duplicated TOAA's powers proving to us TOAA just isn't omnipotent. Second of all, when you see Jack Kirby, never was TOAA's name mentioned, ever. So, no TOAA isn't the writer. Now in DC, you see The Presence in Heaven holding a paint brush in one of the Animal Man series, so The Presence is Grant Morrison who is a DC writer. Therefore, I think that is what says it all right there that The Presence's tier is by far greater than TOAA.
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The Presence If the one is omnipotent then other also omnipotent if one of them is not omnipotent then other can't be omnipotent.
Because
Both are equal.

I'm voting Presence just because they should be equal.
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Neutral Presence is not omnipotent
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The Presence Nor is TOAA, so...
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Neutral Still Toaa > Presence
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The Presence Hmmm...
I think it should be more like: Presence>GEB>Michael=Lucifer=Gabriel=Elaine>TOAA
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The Presence @Monster neither TOAA is.





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The Presence ^^
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The Presence @MoNsTeR TOAA even admitted he isn’t omnipotent, so...
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The Presence The Presence too.
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The Presence Mike Carey already mentioned that was a reference to the writers so really it doesn’t count. The Presence is more omnipotent than TOAA.
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The Presence @EnDico Presence also.
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The Presence Neyther one nor other are omnipotent.
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The Presence @pedrofOMAIOR that's what I said.
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The Presence Nice joke
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The One-Above-All The one above all has infinite power level you can see here but the presence has a limit.
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The Presence ok downplayer
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The Presence The One Above All sure does have infinite power...In a stable multiverse.

The One Above All, however, loses his powers when a regulator is out of place. Sorry, but regulators are what grant him his omnipotence or should I say, "Nigh-Omnipotence".

Regulator>TOAA

However, The Presence literally held everything in his hand. Everything. The whole Omniverse and all of infinite realities. The Presence is high outerversal and created the Omniverse, and TOAA is the multiverse itself when regulators are on a higher scale proven.



Presence>>>Regulator>>>TOAA

Presence murderstomps TOAA.
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The Presence tell that to AR thanos
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The One-Above-All I think this should speak for itself cause presence admits himself that he was created by forces external which means he’s not omnipotent
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The Presence Mike Carey already mentioned that The Presence was only breaking the fourth wall which is a reference to the writers. Plus, that makes The Presence even more omnipotent since The Presence is aware of who is writing him even as the supreme creator of the DC Omniverse and beyond. Grant Morrison, however, claimed that The Overvoid and God are the same so you may consider The Presence as the writer. But either way, he/she is way more omnipotent than TOAA.

FYI, if you really want some proof that TOAA is only nigh-omnipotent, read the infinity conflict.
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The One-Above-All @endico dude you haven’t kept up with marvel. Have you? Starlin was fired and infinity conflict has been made non-cannon

And not to mention that Presence got killed by rox ogama
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The Presence You may want to think twice on what you just said. Lucifer already made it clear that it was only another setup by The Presence and his plan.



Referring to the Infinity Conflict, it still doesn't change the fact that TOAA was defeated. Did TOAA show any impressive feats? No, other than eating a burger with Peter Parker. Did The Presence show any impressive feats? The Presence held the entirety of creation (AKA Omniverse) in just one hand. So, your the one who is missing out right now on DC, not me. Did I not mention Protege also took TOAA's position at one point?



The Presence>>>Michael=Lucifer=Gabriel=Elaine>>>TOAA

TOAA should be renamed to TOAM (AKA, The One Above Most).
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Neutral Lmfao presence > michael = lucifer =gabriel=elaine>>> Toaa :D
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The Presence If Michael, Lucifer, Gabriel, and Elaine all merged their powers, they would squash TOAA. But even then, they would still mean nothing to The Presence since he/she is their creator and granted them their powers so The Presence is far greater than TOAA just by default. So, The Presence murderstomps TOAA.
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The One-Above-All @endico dude the presence was also killed by Rox Ogama



The dying god left your universe defenceless wounded.

And no Rox ogama isn’t referring to Darkseid as the radiant and spectre vanished it was stated that Radiant and Spectre won’t vanish until Yahweh perishes first



And the same rox ogama died to a few lanterns and supermen



Which makes presence even more fodder.

Toaa one-shots Miachel lucifer presence and elaine at the same time
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The One-Above-All @endico and Protege claiming to be TOAA was just boasting as we see right next that Scathan disapproves of him and whoops him



And scathan is below TOAA
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The One-Above-All @endico lucifer was also able to escape presence plan and Lucifer himself isn’t omnipotent which proves Presence isn’t all that powerful
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The One-Above-All Lucifer also killed a corrupt presence which is supposedly as strong as him
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The Presence Did Rox Ogama really kill The Presence? Of course he didn't. Rox Ogama was only setting the moment just to sound all tough and scary. There wasn't even a scene to prove that he wounded The Presence. It's impossible for Rox Ogama to accomplish this considering The Presence is an omnipotent being and is the only omnipotent being. Now, the corrupt Presence wasn't actually The Presence him/herself. That was GEB and The Presence already absorbed it by shaking it's hand. So, I do give you credit on this part. Lucifer does slap GEB, however, GEB still isn't supreme and was defeated already by The Presence. The Great Evil Beast was formed when God uttered the words "Let There Be Light" and came to embody all the darkness in creation as well as everything that opposed the light of the Presence. However, despite its immense power the Great Evil Beast was still a newborn entity and thus was easily defeated by the Presence and contained within its own realm.



When The Presence talked with Lucifer, "The Plan" that the presence is referring to is The Story and Events that would happen in the DC Universe. Predestination (A.K.A The Story) which what Lucifer was trying to escape since he rebelled. He tried to escape the already untouchable story and fate of the DC Universe. which the presence had already planned from the beginning. From The Crisis on infinite earths, and all events that ever happened had already been planned out by the presence. and the monitors are the ones who recorded it.



What The Presence is holding appears to be creation (AKA, DC Omniverse) The Presence held all creation in his hand, proving his superiority towards everything else in the DC Universe including the monitors "Diary Writing", and Lucifer who finally escaped The Presence's Plan (The Story) and now sitting with him "Outside of the DC Universe". Lucifer may have escaped creation itself and gone somewhere in the Overvoid, but note that The Overvoid and The Presence are actually related and are the same. The Presence is everywhere but also nowhere at once so no matter how many times Lucifer tries to escape The Presence, just realize The Presence is God and is omnipresent which means he is everywhere, everything, and nowhere at once.

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The Presence Actually, there is 1 thing I forgot to mention. You know how you mentioned Lucifer thought he escaped The Presence's plan? Well, I have a way better explanation to that now. Mike Carey implied that the Presence is one with the Void through analogy of the Monkey King (Lucifer) and Buddha (the Presence), which Lucifer found in context "pretty offensive", as he stated, since the Monkey King challenged Buddha to jump in one leap from Creation to the outside (the Void). But once Buddha showed his hand, the Monkey King understood he lost as he saw his mark on Buddha hand that he left in the Void to prove he jumped to the Void in one leap. So understanding this in Lucifer context, it means that even though Lucifer believed that he could escaped his Father plan by creating his own Creation outside, in the Void, the Presence is there, one with the Void.





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The Presence TOAA lost to AR thanos
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Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
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The One-Above-All The one above all has infinite powers and the presence has limited and the one above all is omnipotent but the presence is nigh omnipotent.
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The Presence TOAA does have infinite power in a Multiverse. The Presence has infinite power in an Omniverse. And also speaking that The Presence held everything in his hand (creation) and even that wasn't his most impressive feat. What has TOAA showed? Seriously, what feats has TOAA proved to us? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. The only feat he proved to us was eating a burger with Peter Parker but other than that, he doesn't not have infinite power nor is he an impressive God like The Presence. Did I mentioned that Protege took TOAA's position at one point? So, I know exactly why everyone is saying TOAA would win is because Marvel is just overrated. The reality of it is that The Presence would defeat TOAA by a long shot. It should be like this:

Presence>GEB>Elaine=Lucifer=Michael=Gabriel>Regulator>TOAA
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The One-Above-All TOAA is the creator of everything Marvel. The Presence IS everything DC. Overall, I would have to say this goes to TOAA, since theoretically he could make another multiverse, were as I don't think The Presence could. I can be convinced otherwise though!
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The One-Above-All TOAA represents all marvel creators
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The Presence That's the exact same with The Presence. They are both Gods, but only one of them is stronger which of course is The Presence. What feats has TOAA accomplish? Nothing, other than eating a burger with Peter Parker. What feats has The Presence accomplish? The Presence held the whole omniverse (AKA creation) in just one hand so The Presence would defeat TOAA by a long shot.
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The Presence TOAA is equal to The Source at best. Although, The Presence created The Source at the dawn of the DC Omniverse. Here's the thing: TOAA is not the writer. During the Jack Kirby scene the Fantastic Four ran into, TOAA's name was never mentioned once during that scene so TOAA is not the writer. TOAA and The Source are equal in power, one and the same.


It is the source of all that exists. Mostly associated with the New Gods, the Source was the supposed origin of the Godwave that is believed to have been responsible for creating and empowering the "Gods" of the DC Omniverse with their divine abilities. It also seems to be partially responsible for the ability of DC residents to develop super-powers, especially those which defy physics. Lying at the edge of the known universe in the Promethean Galaxy is the Source Wall, which protects the Source, and traps all those who attempt to pass beyond it. The Source specifically tasks Perpetua to create the multiverse that is contained in the DC Omniverse. The Source is the source of all existence in the DC Omniverse and that is essentially what TOAA is as well. The Source is the Omniverse itself, and TOAA is the Omniverse itself as well. They are equal in power, both one and the same. However, The Presence is far greater than The Source and there is a proof.

The Presence held the whole Omniverse within the palm of his hand which contains everyone and everything including The Source. Not only that, but when The Presence was the void itself, it became aware of itself and that is how it formed it's avatar. So, how did The Presence become aware of itself if it is the void? Because it is omnipotent.
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Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
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The One-Above-All flawless
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The Presence Lmao i just saw nyx calling toaa the one "above all others"
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The One-Above-All it was the true above all others lmao
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The One-Above-All ironic coming from the person who deleted both his comments being one of the most toxic people I've ever met lmfao 😂😂
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The Presence People who thinks TOAA can touch Presence or any archangel in a nutshell
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The One-Above-All Why do you always have to be a sore loser?
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The Presence Lmao look at the mirror if you are searching for a loser.
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The One-Above-All You just proved my point mate. You get all salty whenever you lose like you are now.
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The Presence Im saying absolutely nothing,you are trying to provoke me as always,perhaps because there is no way you can win anything against me,just trying to trigger someone is easier,a.k.a the only thing you can do against me lmao.
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The One-Above-All You start it. If you don't like being insulted don't do it yourself. SHDB is about respectful debates not whining and attacking those with different opinions.
You lose a debate when you have to resort to insults instead of actual arguments. That's why you always lose.
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The Presence Look in the mirror, you'll find Tyrannus and EmptyHand sitting there except in the mirror it reads, "viewer discretion is advised."
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The One-Above-All Goddamn you guys are harsh. Chill out
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The One-Above-All @EnDico Bro, chill tf out
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The One-Above-All Chill out guys. Be a little nicer
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Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
Be more like TOAA and The Presence
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The One-Above-All People who think toaa can be defeated are dumb
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The Presence Not think... It's the truth TOAA is a looser.
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The Presence @EmptyHand It's actually the opposite of what you said. Except whoever thinks TOAA is stronger than The Presence have no IQ.
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Neutral Stan Lee can
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The One-Above-All Lmfao that isn't TOAA, tell me how Jim starlin, an aspect of TOAA (since toaa embodies every single writer, meaning that individual writers would be aspects) literally sees the entire story of infinity conflict as an IDEA

So yeah good one thinking that's the one above all
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The Presence Claims are NOT facts pal. Your links don't prove anything or have no purpose in proving anything.



Everyone in Marvel calls him Above-All-Others while he/she calls himself The One Above All. Now let's be honest, how mentally retarded are you? Even Thanos calls him Above-All-Others. You realize Mike Carey also explained that The Presence was only breaking the fourth wall and referring to the writers, right? No fictional character is the writer. No fictional character will ever be the writer and it's impossible to accomplish.
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The Presence Protege managed to take The One Above All's position as well, did I not mention?



So, TOAA lost twice. Not just Thanos, but even Protege took TOAA's position. I've already proved my point. TOAA isn't omnipotent. His name should be renamed to The One Above Most. Maybe this video will change your perspective with TOAA. Here's a recap with TOAA's nigh omnipotence.

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The One-Above-All Did you read the scans or are you just that blind? The first scan shows that the writers are embodied by the one above all, literally Jack Kirby and other writers are just manifestations of the one above all

So stop making yourself look like a dumbass, and If you could prove yourself not blind that would be hella good, since considering you don't realize that the scan literally shows Jim starlin coming up with the entire story in his head and he's just a manifestation of the one above all, use your eyes for once you fucking moron

No only people in jim starlin his separate marvel canon calls him above all others, in every other comic people call him the one above all you're so fucking stupid its unbelievable, jim starlin almost got fired for his work because he published a story where that happened, yet he never showed anything like the superflow, outside, etc he only used 5D cosmological structures and that's it, you're so fucking moronic, you don't read any comics do you, since I saw your comment down there saying you use Wikipedia like a retard, now think again, if jim starlin isn't canon to main marvel cosmology, if nothing the above all others did relates to the one above all at all, if everything in the story contradicts everything else in marvel, does that mean that it's the true oaa? No exactly, now quit your brain dead ass and be smart for once

Also protégé legit only made a self statement and that was after absorbing the living tribunals powers only you dumbass, then he lost to a celestial right after that, not even the strongest celestial either, read. The. Story. Legit does getting defeated by a celestial and getting the power of the living tribunal make you the one above all? No exactly, I just clapped you on that point as well

Lmao imagine using videos as unironic evidence
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The Presence Buddy...Calm down. This isn't a right or wrong answer. Battles are not about swearing at each other unless that's what your looking for, but no need to use the swear words, pal. I'm only sharing you my opinion with how I think about TOAA and you are just going all over the place. Seriously, just calm down.
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The One-Above-All Thanos with astral regulator has not defeated but absorbed the one above all and the one above all knows that everything would be right after sometime .And the one above all can break the astral regulator but he don't want to break the rules of multiverse.
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The Presence Ok, then prove it. Give me an image that actually proves TOAA doesn't want to break the rules. Because there isn't a way to prove it. TOAA is the multiverse itself, and The Presence is the creator of an Omniverse.

Presence>GEB>Elaine=Lucifer=Michael=Gabriel>Regulator>TOAA

The Presence murderstomps TOAA.
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The One-Above-All Actually, that isint TOAA, that is the one above all others.
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The Presence Above All Others is what everyone in Marvel calls him while he calls himself The One Above All. Even Thanos calls him Above All Others or Master Of All. The One Above All calls himself The One Above All. So, you have it wrong.
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The One-Above-All That was the above all others, NOT THE ONE ABOVE ALL
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The Presence @Enternity10 Yes, it was though. However, I have discovered that the Infinity Conflict is noncannon. Though, TOAA maybe the God of marvel, he isn't the writer. You see, TOAA's name was never mentioned during the Jack Kirby scene. Second of all, never once was TOAA called, "God" in Marvel but when they meet Jack Kirby, they called him God. Yes, Jack Kirby is God since he is the writer. TOAA wasn't called God and his name was never mentioned so no he is not the writer. Now, let's talk about t he cannon part of Marvel. TOAA's powers have been duplicated by Protege who has the ability to become infinitely omnipotent.



This took a combination of the Living Tribunal and Scathan the Approver to only absorb the new TOAA. The Living Tribunal himself could not defeat the new TOAA so it took some assistance. That was completely cannon to the story and I know a lot of Marvel fans don't want to believe that part but it was cannon and that is reality right there. The Presence, however, was caught holding a paint brush in Heaven in one of the Animal Man series and what do you do with a paint brush? You create pictures and art. That right there proves The Presence in Grant Morrison. Presence>TOAA



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not voted There isn’t a winner. They both just keep fighting for an infinite amount of time. They are both omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient.
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The One-Above-All True, but TOAA is a creator of an Omniverse, and The Presence is the omniverse itself. I would give the advantage to TOAA.
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The Presence They both created an Omniverse. The Presence already held everything in his hand (creation) so The Presence is definitely Omnilock as well. So, you have it all wrong.
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Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
Be more like TOAA and The Presence
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The One-Above-All Buddy you are acting dumb. AAO and TOAA are very different
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The One-Above-All @Emptyhand can you talk some sense into him.
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The Presence Actually, your the dumb one because your a Marvel Lover. And what I mean by that is all you do is you read Marvel Comics because that's the only thing you do in your lifetime is talk about Marvel. Everyone in Marvel calls him Above All Others while he calls himself The One Above All. How about you look up The Presence on Google for once. There will be a documentation on Wikipedia that even states he is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, and immortal and is unchanged in the main DCU in it's own words. Now, how about we look up The One Above All: oh wow, he doesn't have a documentation? That's not a claim either, that's a valid statement. So know the facts. And I don't mean to be rude, but everyone votes for The One Above All not because of the character itself, but due to how overrated Marvel is. You treat The One Above All like he is above every comic book character you can put thought into. That's not the case though. That's the best part about DC though is that it isn't overrated like Marvel is. So your the dumb one kiddo just because your a Marvel Lover.
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See the regulator universal. Every reality/dimension has a regulator.
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The One-Above-All @EnDico look even after thanos absorbed the AAO from his dimension another AAO froma different dimension was still alive and ok.
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The One-Above-All And don't call me a marvel lover. When I first voted this battler I voted The Presence. But after learning the cosmology of marvel and the power of TOAA I voted TOAA. TOAA and AAO aren't the same
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The One-Above-All Its very brave of you to assume whosoever votes for TOAA is a marvel lover. Wikipedia??? Seriously. Trust me, there are 100's of characters who are immortal, being immortal doesn't mean you can't be killed, even LT was said to omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient.

That doesn't make you the most powerful ever, and see @RajinKabir also says AAO and TOAA aren't the same, only you don't want to accept the fact that how can a character written by a writer can defeat the writer himself, even pre-retcon beyonder defeats AAO, he isn't TOAA.
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The One-Above-All What happend @EnDico ?? Did we convince you that TOAA is not AAO or do you need more proof??
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The One-Above-All And Jim Stalin made some mistakes in the comic
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The One-Above-All And @EnDico where did anyone including AAO called AAO , TOAA??
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The One-Above-All He would not accept the fact @RajinKabir .
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The One-Above-All I figured from his aggressive writing. I mean he wrote so much in so less time on this battle
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The Presence One above all isn't his name,he was called multiple names.They are the same,Starlin retconned toaa
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The Presence So, you think The Living Tribunal is omnipotent, huh? Tell that to The Beyonders then speaking that The Beyonders killed The Living Tribunal so I think the word your looking for is nigh-omnipotence. Second of all, I don’t think you even hear yourself talk but let me say this: everyone in Marvel calls him Above All Others while he calls himself The One Above All. By the way, if you think that really was a different cosmic entity, then why does the comic still portray Above All Others as the master of The Living Tribunal? The only master The Living Tribunal has is The One Above All. If that wasn’t TOAA then who was it? Clearly, AAO was supervising The Living Tribunal so the only explanation is that he is TOAA. You already know The One Above All was absorbed by Thanos. You know he was defeated, you just don’t want to believe it.
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The Presence Oh, and did I mention that Marvel (AKA, TOAA) is only a 16th dimensional being while The Presence is a 4th dimensional being?
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The One-Above-All Are you freaking stupid, the one above all 16th dimensional lmfao, yet a single universe in marvel transcends the concept of numbers in terms of how many spatial dimensions it has, also if you're a higher dimensional existence thus you're bigger you walking contradiction, the one above all himself platonically transcends beings who would slap the presence left and right, if you think thanos killed the true oaa you're inept, honestly you don't at all read marvel if you're saying "look it up" learn how many contradictions the story has and how in no way is it canon nor can it even possibly be the one above all since it has nothing in common with it
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The Presence Well that’s because your a Marvel lover which I’m not surprised because all you do I bet spend 24/7 a week reading Marvel comic books. You don’t even read DC is what it sounds like. The Fourth Wall exists as the invisible barrier separating reality from imagination. In the comic book medium, such characters are cognizant of the fact that they are characters in a comic book, and often speak directly to the reader. In the Golden and Silver Age era of DC comics, such characters routinely broke the Fourth Wall, usually as a convenience for introducing a story. After the Crisis on Infinite Earths, comic storytelling took a more mature turn, and few characters demonstrated this ability. So, it’s far beyond TOAA’s reach. The Presence already has fourth wall awareness. The infinity conflict was a real series in Marvel, it was written, and it was published. It will always have an effect in the plot of Marvel. And I’m not afraid of you either because I can argue all day and night. You are a pure Marvel lover and really have nothing better to do with your life other than to obsess about Marvel comics.
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The Presence Let me give you a great example as to how retarded you sound. The Presence comes in many names known as The Hand, The Source, The Overvoid, The Voice, and oddly enough, Wally the God boy. Just as the TOAA has different names known as Jack Kirby, and AAO. They are the same beings, it’s just that he can be called different names too like The Presence. Your saying AAO is a mere extension of TOAA. You sound so retarded to the highest level when you say AAO and TOAA are different. You are not comic book scientist, dude. If you think you really are all that or imagine like your omniscient in all comic books, you wouldn’t even be hired as a comic book writer due to how much of a dumbass you sound.
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The One-Above-All Lmao i read and scale both marvel and DC unlike you inept child who only reads DC it seems, what does the fourth wall's existence mean at all exactly? any character can break the fourth wall, superboy prime has done it, deadpool has done it, gwenpool has done it, none of those are rebirth superman tier, let alone even base eternity tierand TOAA is the f*cking writer, he scales above the fourth wall as a whole and there wouldn't even exist a fourth wall for him since he's every single marvel writer/reader/editor in 1, you need to rethink your stupid scaling, since you're implying characters like superboy prime can defeat the one above all, The infinity conflict was a story only Jim starlin wrote and every other marvel writer almost fired him from the company and declared it non canon because his work was that bad, Jim starlin doesn't have any knowledge on cosmological structures in marvel such as the superflow, neutral zone or other's which he has never shown, he's only shown the universe, multiverse and given them finite dimensions, whereas in consistent marvel scaling its been shown there are infinite spatial dimensions per universe but the AAO his realm was literally affected by a 3-Dimensional crisis, also are you f*cking stupid? that's your proof as to why you're making yourself look like an idiot? you understand that the AAO was shown bound to a timeline and affected by 3-Dimensional crisis', you gotta rethink your marvel and DC scaling because you just got clapped, now listen to your inept brain and think again, since TOAA was shown way beyond what the AAO was shown below, because the writer almost got fired for making the most non canon marvel work, because the writer didn't know sh*t about actual marvel cosmology AND the fact that you have no evidence besides a few aliases the presence has, you should give up, this is embarrassing you
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The One-Above-All Yup living tribunal is nigh omnipotent, but many writers claim beings are omnipotent when they are only nigh, same arguments can be made to DC characters.
Beyonders killed Post Retcon LT.
But we already know LT is omniscient, he knows everything and exists in all realities, he is the judge of everything, but wait what did he say in Infinity Conflict

I had no idea this problem had such widespread repercussions.
Lmao, he also asks AOO "This has become a multidimensional crisis?

Thus, he was not omniscient. So, either you accept that they were just avatars or continue to look away from the truth.
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The Presence Take a look a these pictures from Grant Morrison for once. This is exactly what proves everything right and wrong with The Presence:






So, The Presence is The Writer.
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The Presence The Presence wasn't killed either just as Lucifer even stated it himself:

Plus, Lucifer admitted The Presence's powers:
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The Presence Now, TOAA. This is the proof of AAO (AKA TOAA) being absorbed by Thanos using a Regulator:


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The Presence The Presence admitted that everything is part of his plan. Every variable, every physical law, everything happens because he MAKES it happen.



By the way, I know you will say he passed his powers down but that is not the case. The Presence passed creation just to break the tie between Heaven and Hell during their final battle. The Presence instead calls this "To cut the knot" solution. Plus, The Presence annihilated Lilith without breaking a sweat in this picture.

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The One-Above-All Hold on ill respond to this later, need to type a bible worth of scans real quick 🦍
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The Presence Presence casually oneshots the verse.
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The One-Above-All No
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The Presence yeh
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The One-Above-All OK. Then Hell no
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The Presence Dc 1As are way higher than marvel 1As
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The Presence Little correction,
Dc isnt 4d,i assume you are referring to this
4 dimensions refers to 4 realms.Highest of them being the 6th dimension then source wall and 2 others idr.
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Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
Be more like TOAA and The Presence
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The Presence Cmon!! These two guys are meant to be equal !!
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The One-Above-All Hell no
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The Presence Hell yes
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Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
Be more like TOAA and The Presence
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The One-Above-All That was above all others, an aspect of TOAA and is non canon.
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The Presence Everyone in Marvel calls him Above All Others while he calls himself The One Above All. The Infinity Conflict Ending Comic is canon because it actually says it on Google. But since The Presence is the Overvoid, The One Above All wouldn’t have a single chance laying a scratch on The Presence.
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The One-Above-All You know the writer was fired for his work after that,right?
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The Presence It still doesn’t change the fact that it still affected the plot of Marvel. Regulators are much on a higher scale than The One Above All. The Presence held everything in his hand. There’s isn’t anything higher than him by default.
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The Presence How about I show you something from Grant Morrison in the D.C. comics. Believe me, it explains everything about The Presence's true power.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/0/06/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_1.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180322

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/f/f0/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_2.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180338

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/9/97/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_3.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180352

So, assuming that Monitor-Mind The Over-Void is literally the white page, The Presence is the writer/illustrator, since, in Animal Man #5, Grant Morrison portrayed the Presence as the writer/illustrator within the setting of the DC Universe. The links above explain it all.
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The One-Above-All Marvel has already said TOAA is basically an embodiment of the writers ,editors and readers.
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The Presence Like I said, he maybe a writer of a multiverse, but not an omniverse like The Presence. Grant Morrison made his point with The Presence. The Presence is the writer and the incarnation of the Abrahamic god. You can say he’s the writer of Marvel all you want, but he isn’t the writer of an omniverse like The Presence. And by the same token, The Presence is The Overvoid which is the canvas.
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The One-Above-All Writer>>>Presence.
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The Presence And that’s when you realize you don’t know what more to say because you know I’m right. But you are on the same page. The Presence is the writer since Grant Morrison portrayed him as the illustrator. So it should be like this: Presence>>>Elaine>>>Lucifer=Michael=Gabriel>>>Spectre>TOAA.
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The One-Above-All Grant Morrison already said readers>writers, there is no proof presence scales to the reader while its confirmed TOAA is basically writers+readers+editors.
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The Presence Grant morrison never said that.Reader embodiment in Dc (Empty Hand) isn't even above Mandrakk (editor embodiment) who got retconned out of existence by overvoid who is a mere tool created by writer against its will.
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The One-Above-All Then why does presence know he is not the most powerful and writers shaped him.
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The Presence Presence is there existing as an absoloute being way beyond concept of pshycal existence,we reader shape him in the form of god we believe
its complicated let me explain
The god in dc has multiple manifestations
The monitors see the god as overvoid
The angels see him as presence
The new gods see him as source
Morrison confirmed it in one of his tweets.
The god is the combined form of everything i mentioned above
Beings in dc appears diffrent to diffrent races,for example michael demiurgos,appears to christians as michael,yet buddhists see him as khali,(it was revealed during his fight with spectre) etc.
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The Presence That's exactly what I was about to say. Even Oblivion gets it. Readers are NOT greater than The Writer. The Presence is portrayed as The Writer just as shown in the links above. Grant Morrison wrote the comic, he published it, and now is official that The Presence is The Writer. Let me send you the links again in case you don't know what I'm talking about.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/0/06/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_1.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180322

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Now, I'll say this again: assuming that Monitor-Mind The Over-Void is literally the white page, The Presence is the writer/illustrator, since, in Animal Man #5, Grant Morrison portrayed the Presence as the writer/illustrator within the setting of the DC Universe. So, you have it all wrong. Readers aren't greater than the writer because they have no impact with the story line and the plot itself. And I know your going to come up with two more excuses as to why you think The Presence isn't supreme. Yes, he merged with The Great Evil Beast, but The Presence absorbed The Great Darkness and his powers and since The Presence is the Overvoid, he still has the upper hand. Second of all, in the new Lucifer Run, everyone thought that The Presence was killed by a possessed Gabriel using a sword that was designed by The Presence himself.

So everyone in Heaven wondered how that is even "paradoxically" possible and after the following issues, Lucifer figured out that it was just another shenanigan by The Presence as well. Here is another link that explains this.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111296040/6471245-6425662-lucifer.jpg

And as you can see from the comic page above, The Presence might not have even been dead at all. What the angels thought was the death of the "Original God", may as well just be him again making changes, and using lower entities to do it. Now lets move on to The One Above All. The Marvel Fandom page says that he is supreme, but EVEN the fandom admits that his weakness is Multiversal Imbalance. In it's own words "Multiversal Imbalance: When Thanos, controlled by his omnipotent future self, got hold of his universe's Regulator (an artifact more powerful than the Infinity Gems which served to keep each universe separate from one another), this caused grave imbalance to the Multiverse something that neither the Above-All-Others was able to fix.[17] This allowed the all-powerful Thanos from the year 4657 A.D. to absorb the Above-All-Others". But don't assume that the name "Above-All-Others" is a mere extension of The One Above All because they are the exact same being except everyone in Marvel calls in Above All Others while he (himself) calls him The One Above All. When The Presence mentioned "External Forces" one of the writers of DC even admits that he was only breaking the fourth wall and referring to The Writers. Even though The Presence is The Writer, he still is aware of people writing him as well. And I know your going to say that he passed his powers down to Elaine, but that's not the case. The Presence did this because there was a final battle between Heaven and Hell, so The Presence passed Creation down to Elaine to break the tie. Even then, this was still part of The Presence's plan. He never gave up his omnipotence since he is the Overvoid. Giving up omnipotence is impossible for him to accomplish just to begin with. The Presence could still take away the powers he had given to Elaine since he made her nigh-omnipotent. Elaine is still below The Presence since he is truly omnipotent. The fandom page even says it.

https://fictional-battle-omniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Elaine_Belloc

So The One Above All maybe the writer of his own multiverse. That's great and all, but it's already known that Marvel is only a multiverse since regulators are on a much higher scale (omniversal essentially) which is what proves that The One Above All is really multiversal while The Presence is beyond omniversal since we know he's the Overvoid and The Writer.
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The One-Above-All
I see through many eyes (omnipresent)
I am all powerful (omnipotent)
As i have already said. AAO is an aspect of OAA. And almost all writers do not consider it to be canon in any way. TOAA is always treated as a writer like figure, while AAO was regarded as a entity whom living tribunal serves. Regulator Thanos has no hope of defeating true OAA, writers have already ignored this work because it didn't follow and screwed up the basic concepts of the marvel multiverse, and I actually read one of your earlier comments and did you just say spectre > TOAA lol.
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The Presence Bro claims are not facts,if we go by that logic i can argue about multiple charecters being omniponent or even above.
AAO is TOAA stop it everyone knows it.
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The One-Above-All Well almost everybody knows AAO and TOAA are different. He has also got a separate profile I believe.
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The Presence Oh, so your going to bring the Fandom page into this? Good, because even the Marvel Fandom says he isn't omnipotent in this line "Multiversal Imbalance: When Thanos, controlled by his omnipotent future self, got hold of his universe's Regulator (an artifact more powerful than the Infinity Gems which served to keep each universe separate from one another), this caused grave imbalance to the Multiverse something that neither the Above-All-Others was able to fix.[17] This allowed the all-powerful Thanos from the year 4657 A.D. to absorb the Above-All-Others". Spectre is greater because he is the wrath of god and is metaversal. The One Above All had some embarrassing moments just when Thanos held a regulator and absorbed him along with the Living Tribunal at the time. The Presence is the Overvoid and The Writer since Grant Morrison portrayed him as The Writer if you look above. Everyone in Marvel calls him Above All Others why he calls himself The One Above All. They already published the Infinity Conflict, it already affected the plot of Marvel, and still doesn't change the fact that The One Above All was nothing more than a mere chicken during the fight between him and Thanos along with the Living Tribunal.
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The Presence Even their names are the same,they have the same profile above all others is post retcon toaa.
Dhruv
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The One-Above-All When did I bring the fandom page into all this.
Nah, TOAA is already a writer level character and regulator thanos is a fictional one.
Writer>>>Fictional character. And iirc, the comic was written by starlin who created thanos and it was his last comic, he just wanted to prove in the end his character is basically the strongest in marvel, and many editors have straight up said that Infinity Conflict is not canon in any way, Starlin might think something else, but everybody else does not believe that.
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The Presence Because in the Fandom, it says "I am the One Above All. I see through many eyes. I build with many hands. They are themselves, but they are also me. I am all-powerful. My only weapon is love. The mystery intrigues me". So let me say this: I agree with you, he is the writer of his own multiverse, but not an omniverse like The Presence. The Presence is the Overvoid and will annihilate The One Above All without breaking a sweat. The Presence created DC by splintering the whole universe with his hand into infinite pieces establishing it into a multiverse. And just for the record, Marvel is overrated and that's why all Marvel supporters are saying The One Above All will win even though he's nigh-omnipotent. He still is nothing to The Presence when it comes to The Presence's true form which is on the same scale as The Writer.
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The One-Above-All I don't know if it was in fandom or not, it was his tagline from the start. His counterpart TOBA has also said this line in an opposite way in comics.
You yourself have accepted TOAA is atleast the writer of the marvel multiverse, then explain how regulator thanos can beat a writer character. Regulator is fictional and Writer>>>Fictional Character. That is why the comic is ignored by almost every writer and editor.
Spectre can't beat TOAA. Even AAO is confirmed omnipotent, spectre got slapped by a weakened michael, spectre loses to LT and Beyonder.
The three scans you have been sending from the start to claim Grant Morrison portrayed him as the writer are very small to read, I can't see a thing honestly, and yes we readers have as much importance as the writers. We have indirect plot manipulation, if there are demands for the comics of a particular character to be written, writers do that. If we don't read the comics they publish, it does affect their work on a large scale.
It has already been said GEB is outside of presence's creation.
AOO is not a chicken, just because it was the writer's last comic and he wanted thanos to be the most powerful character ever in history, doesn't change the fact, that writers and editors have straight up said they don't consider the work to be canon. You can simply consider AOO as Starlin's version of TOAA and TOAA is the rest of the writer's version of it.
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The Presence You realize The Presence creates GEB after he uttered the words “Let there be light”. The Presence is The Writer, he is The Overvoid, he has it all. He already merged with GEB and absorbed it. And just remember, TOAA is The Writer, only for a multiverse. The Presence is The Writer of an omniverse. Grant Morrison already proved it. And seriously now, stop coming up with the lame excuse about how AAO is a mere aspect of TOAA because they are the same beings. Everyone in Marvel calls him Above All Others while he calls himself The One Above All. So, you still have it wrong even though you’ve been saying the same excuse about AAO for like the last 5 comments we’ve posted, so move on. AAO is the same as TOAA, end of conversation.
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The One-Above-All Because literally 99% don't accept AAO and TOAA to be same, you still haven't proved how a fictional character can beat a writer. I think you are trying to say regulator thanos >> writer .

"Before light"
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The Presence Have you looked at the links above?? They already prove that The Presence is The Writer. Just like right here: And just to be honest, claims aren’t facts. The Presence is The Writer and The Overvoid so he already beats GEB just as he did after he absorbed him by shaking hands.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/0/06/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_1.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180322

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/f/f0/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_2.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180338

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And if your saying 99% of everyone on this page think they are separate, then look at those who voted for The Presence for once.
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The Presence GEB and The Presence might be the same beings since GEB is God’s dark side so just keep that in mind.
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The One-Above-All I said the scans you provided are too small or me to read, if possible, try sending bigger scans, maybe I get a change of heart.
Many people believe TOAA and AAO are different, but they think presence can beat both of them, and look at the comments down, literally everyone who says about regulator already says AOO is an aspect of TOAA. It is widely accepted, since it doesn't make sense how a character can go against a writer to defeat him when the writer is himself writing the character.
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The Presence Then you want to know what you should do? Change your screen resolution. You want to know what would be even more convenient? How about you copy and paste the link onto another tab yourself? You still following up here or do you have ADHD? Alright, allow me to be a teacher for a moment. You highlight the link by clicking left on your mouse, hold it, and slide across until you highlight the link. Then you wanna know what you do next?? You hit ctrl+c on your keyboard to copy the links. Open a new tab, press ctrl+p, and your done. Wow, magic right? I mean it's pretty bizarre what future we're living in right now, isn't it? Now, if you look up The Presence on Google, there will be a documentation on Wikipedia that even states he is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, and immortal. Now try looking up The One Above All: oh wow, he doesn't have a documentation on Wikipedia? That's not a claim either, that's a statement. Obviously, you know I'm right, you just don't want to believe it because your a typical Marvel lover who only reads Marvel comics 24/7 a week.
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The One-Above-All My Friend, are you honestly considering me so dumb that I don't know how to copy paste the link to another tab, I have tried it already, and I have tried to zoom in to read it, it makes the picture quality all the more blurry. This isn't a school project that I will look it up in wikipedia, and if a document is not present, I will straight up assume the topic to be crap and whatnot. Instead, you should have made the link clickable by writing url and /url in square brackets at the beginning and end of the link to make it easier for people to access it. All you have said is one regulator>>> Jack kirby and stan lee (since TOAA represents them ). You should have realised regulator has no chance against TOAA, since regulator is written by a writer and the writer himself is TOAA.
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The Presence Look it up. Regulator vs TOAA. It shows a comic page that actually shows TOAA and The Living Tribunal being absorbed at the same time. No, TOAA didn’t write the regulators. You want to know who did? Stan Lee. You treat TOAA like he’s above omnipotence which is impossible and second of all, Thanos already went beyond the multiverse that not even TOAA was unable to reach. Thanos held a regulator which is omniversal since it extends beyond a multiverse.
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The One-Above-All You are contradicting yourself. TOAA represents the writers (Stan Lee and Jack kirby), he also has taken the form of jack kirby in comics, you yourself have accepted TOAA is writer of marvel, so how can a writer (real life person) lose to someone who was written by himself and is a fictional thing (regulator).
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The Presence Then let me ask you, did you see TOAA turn into Jack Kirby or not? Now, we go back to Grant Morrison in DC. Just how Animal Man runs into Grant Morrison, they all ran into Jack Kirby in Marvel. TOAA and The Presence have nothing to do with these characters at all. The Presence, however, was the first to become aware of who wrote him and TOAA never did. When The Presence states him being shaped by "external forces" he is only referring to the writers. TOAA never stated that at all nor did TOAA turn into Jack Kirby. We didn't see TOAA turn into Jack Kirby at all actually. TOAA has absolutely nothing to do with Jack Kirby just to begin with. Or you could say that The Presence took the form of Grant Morrison after he was portrayed as the writer in the Animal Man series.
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The One-Above-All I don't think The Presence is omnipotent
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The Presence well one above all isnt he lost to thanos
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The One-Above-All @shaneherald That was an aspect of one above all (above all others).
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The One-Above-All Dhruv is right
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The Presence TOAA isn’t omnipotent either, but he’s above presence.
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The One-Above-All It's over a billion times easier to say TOAA's omnipotent than say the Presence is. With that being said, both The Presence and The One Above All get downplayed to disgusting levels nowadays.
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The One-Above-All @Incognito then why did you vote the presence
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The Presence Above All Others is what everyone in Marvel calls him while he calls himself The One Above All. There are the same beings. Second of all, regulators are omniversal which is what limits The One Above All's powers making him only nigh-omnipotent.
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The Presence But I know you'll be arguing my statement, so I'll copy and paste one of my original messages when I made my point with these two comic book gods: The Presence is portrayed as The Writer just as shown in the links above. Grant Morrison wrote the comic, he published it, and now is official that The Presence is The Writer. Let me send you the links again in case you don't know what I'm talking about.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/0/06/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_1.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180322

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/f/f0/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_2.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180338

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/9/97/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_3.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180352

Now, I'll say this again: assuming that Monitor-Mind The Over-Void is literally the white page, The Presence is the writer/illustrator, since, in Animal Man #5, Grant Morrison portrayed the Presence as the writer/illustrator within the setting of the DC Universe. So, you have it all wrong. Readers aren't greater than the writer because they have no impact with the story line and the plot itself. And I know your going to come up with two more excuses as to why you think The Presence isn't supreme. Yes, he merged with The Great Evil Beast, but The Presence absorbed The Great Darkness and his powers and since The Presence is the Overvoid, he still has the upper hand. Second of all, in the new Lucifer Run, everyone thought that The Presence was killed by a possessed Gabriel using a sword that was designed by The Presence himself.

So everyone in Heaven wondered how that is even "paradoxically" possible and after the following issues, Lucifer figured out that it was just another shenanigan by The Presence as well. Here is another link that explains this.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111296040/6471245-6425662-lucifer.jpg

And as you can see from the comic page above, The Presence might not have even been dead at all. What the angels thought was the death of the "Original God", may as well just be him again making changes, and using lower entities to do it. Now lets move on to The One Above All. The Marvel Fandom page says that he is supreme, but EVEN the fandom admits that his weakness is Multiversal Imbalance. In it's own words "Multiversal Imbalance: When Thanos, controlled by his omnipotent future self, got hold of his universe's Regulator (an artifact more powerful than the Infinity Gems which served to keep each universe separate from one another), this caused grave imbalance to the Multiverse something that neither the Above-All-Others was able to fix.[17] This allowed the all-powerful Thanos from the year 4657 A.D. to absorb the Above-All-Others". But don't assume that the name "Above-All-Others" is a mere extension of The One Above All because they are the exact same being except everyone in Marvel calls in Above All Others while he (himself) calls him The One Above All. When The Presence mentioned "External Forces" one of the writers of DC even admits that he was only breaking the fourth wall and referring to The Writers. Even though The Presence is The Writer, he still is aware of people writing him as well. And I know your going to say that he passed his powers down to Elaine, but that's not the case. The Presence did this because there was a final battle between Heaven and Hell, so The Presence passed Creation down to Elaine to break the tie. Even then, this was still part of The Presence's plan. He never gave up his omnipotence since he is the Overvoid. Giving up omnipotence is impossible for him to accomplish just to begin with. The Presence could still take away the powers he had given to Elaine since he made her nigh-omnipotent. Elaine is still below The Presence since he is truly omnipotent. The fandom page even says it.

https://fictional-battle-omniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Elaine_Belloc

So The One Above All maybe the writer of his own multiverse. That's great and all, but it's already known that Marvel is only a multiverse since regulators are on a much higher scale (omniversal essentially) which is what proves that The One Above All is really multiversal while The Presence is beyond omniversal since we know he's the Overvoid and The Writer.
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The One-Above-All @EnDico reglators aren't omniversal. I believe every reality has a regulator.
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The Presence Without a working Regulator to patrol the cosmos itself, it will cause the Above-All-Others to no longer work in function of the said reality. The One Above All is only multiversal is what it means. The Presence is the Overvoid and is The Writer since Grant Morrison already portrayed The Presence as The Writer. Above All Others is what everyone in Marvel calls him while he calls himself The One Above All. So yes, regulators are much on a higher scale than The One Above All since The One Above All is multiversal. If they are higher than someone who is multiversal, then what is the only explanation? They are omniversal because they control the distance between every universe and multiverse. Without the regulators, The One Above All would be useless. The Presence held literally everything in his hand, so there isn't anything higher than him by default. And no, Elaine didn't absorb his powers. There was a battle between Heaven and Hell so he passed Creation down to break the tie. Since The Presence is truly omnipotent, he would easily take away Elaine's powers and her nigh-omnipotence.
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The One-Above-All This is basically marvel vs dc.
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Neutral Yup.
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The Presence the presence has better feats
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The One-Above-All Feats are irrelevant here.
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The Presence Lol what? toaa is a decent 1A while Yahweh is barely baseline high outerversal (using vsbw logic,toaa gets oneshotted by every decent infinite d according to comicvine)
Beings infinitely transcends high outerversal level,borderlining tier 0 are still compared by feats,what makes feats irrelevant here? its just you trying wank a nigh featless fodder to heavens and beyond lmao.
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Neutral He has a point
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The One-Above-All TOAA is beyond comic book. What about the Presence ?
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The Presence Lol no Leviathan of stories is most powerfull dc charachter
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The Presence I'm not saying presence is above leviathan of stories. There something like all stories exist in unwritten including dc stories . It doesn't say that leviathan of stories is actual part of dc.
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The Presence the presence is god from Christianity he made the writers and he put their thoughts in their head to make the one-above-all.
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The Presence The hell it is. Literally everything in this comics or whatever fiction is just an imaginary fictional adaptation it has nothing to do with reality, In fact nobody knows that whether god exist or multiverse exists it's just crazy ideas Inside minds of peoples which they adapt into story for purpose of entertainment of people and for their income. Literally it's foolish to call any imaginary character a real God of christianity. Only consider the comic as medium of fun everything inside them every character only exists on that comic panel and is created by pencil or ink. Even grant Morrison said readers have big role than writer in existence of comics.
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The Presence The One Above All is only multiversal, not omniversal. I agree with your statement: yes, he is the writer of his own multiverse, but The Presence is the writer of an omniverse just when Grant Morrison portrayed The Presence as The Writer.
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The One-Above-All Insert This character is omnipotent and this character is not omnipotent.
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The Presence swap that around
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The Presence Both are not
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The One-Above-All I don't really understand how these 2 could have a random encounter
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The One-Above-All One above all has every power that exist in the universe.
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The One-Above-All Yes, the presence is super powerful but the one above all is nigh-omnipotent meaning he basically has unlimited power also the one above all is omnipresent meaning he exists everywhere and can exist anywhere also he is untouchable yup he is so powerful no one could even scratch him. But you may be like but cant the presence warp reality yes he can but so can the one above all. so overall the one above all would easily destroy the presence. also, the presence has no omini powers what so ever.
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The Presence the presence is omnipotent
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The Presence I think you misunderstood the term “nigh-omnipotence”. Nigh-omnipotent means your close to being all powerful but you still have limitations. It doesn’t mean your all powerful. Omnipotent means your all powerful and TOAA is nigh omnipotent since regulators are proven to be on a higher scale. The Presence on the other hand held literally everything in his hand so The Presence is omnipotent and omniversal while TOAA is multiversal.
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The One-Above-All Changed my vote to One-Above-All
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The Presence Presence will win easily
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The One-Above-All no noob Presence aint omnipotent
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The One-Above-All Toaa kicks his ass
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The Presence Marvel kid don't know anything,
Guys search on Wikipedia presence is omnipotent...
And TOAA have no document in Wikipedia..
Presence can curb stomp Toaa
EmptyHand
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The One-Above-All @Tomal imagine using Wikipedia as evidence
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Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
Be more like TOAA and The Presence
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The Presence I think there will not be any fight. Even if there is any fight then The presence will lose if one above all will be on MCU. If both of them are not in there universe then The presence will win because one above all is not a being or anything he is Non-corporeal. He will not even be able to exist on other places than his MCU. The presence will lose in MCU because he is the true God/creator of DC universe. Not MCU. Therefore presence will not be able to use his power in MCU.
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The One-Above-All TOAA is Omnipotent
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HolyJoe
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Neutral Neither of them are.
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The Presence Do you think maybe thefulcrum is the omnipotent one he isnt a aspect of toaa
EmptyHand
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The One-Above-All Except he is an aspect of OAA, and neither are Omnipotent
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Neutral I said it once and I'll sa y it again:

First of all, Thanos did not absorb The One Above All. He absorbed its avatar: Above All Others.

Second of all, in Infinity Conflict, The One Above All was stated multiple times to be the embodiment of all writers and editors. Jim Starlin talked about how he created the infinity series, including the characters in it. He's literally the True One-Above-All.

Third, in Ultimates, TOAA was beyond everything including the conceptless nothingness and all time and space in the Jim Starlin Story.

Finally and most importantly, Thanos was only absorbing AVATARS of the abstract. The true Eternity exists out of all in the dark nothingness, but the Eternity Thanos absorbed was in a pocket actuality. The Living Tribunal told Adam they're avatars of entirely different realities and TOAA stated he only became the embodiment of avatars in this reality.

It doesn't matter how strong a character is. The-One-Above-All will always be above Marvel and every book, character, location, narrative, and story.
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Tyrannus
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The One-Above-All Hopefully your answer will get rid of a lot of the hate towards TOAA and how underrated he is. I can't believe I even have to say this in the first place
Mxyzptlk
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The Presence Omnipotent being doesn't need avtar if he needs he is not Omnipotent
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The One-Above-All No it shows how powerful he is
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The Presence 1000000000000%agreed
HolyJoe
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Neutral Okay, this battle's just not interesting anymore.
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AkhilPDX
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The One-Above-All No considering very little people know how to scale either one of them right.
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The Presence Both are not omnipotent if they are omnipotent and both fight then nothing will happen since both are omniscient and would know everything and if one of them Puts up a fight both are not omnipotent you can lake claims they are omnipotent in their own verse
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The Presence Miss match
Presence stomp , people still believe toaa being omnipotent
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HolyJoe
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Neutral Neither of them are omnipotent. There's no such thing as an omnipotent character in comic books...well, at least from my perspective.
EmptyHand
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The One-Above-All Accurate perspective
Mxyzptlk
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The Presence But presence has more impressive feats and doesn't have sign in his omnipotent
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The One-Above-All TIE . both of them can trash all of the comics by they hands .there is just no one can beat them
Mr_Incognito
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The Presence Mike Carey, the writer of Lucifer #75, said that when the presence mentions "External forces" he is breaking the fourth wall and referring to the writers of the comic, not a force above him in the DC multiverse. He wrote that comic. Just FYI
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Mr_Incognito
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The Presence Only voted presence to keep the balance.
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Neutral @everyone Have any of you people not heard of Above-All-Others? He's the one that got absorbed by Thanos, not The-One-Above-All.
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EmptyHand
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The One-Above-All The presence is way above him either way
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Neutral He's not omnipotent.
EmptyHand
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The One-Above-All Neither is OAA, The presence has better scaling
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The Presence Presence is high outerversal and has more feats One above all is just outerversal presence claps
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The Presence omnipotence vs nigh omnipotence
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Dark_Wing
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The One-Above-All He's not omnipotent which you've been unable to disprove.
Breaker
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The One-Above-All TOAA is omnipotent or prove that wrong
Dark_Wing
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The One-Above-All An avatar is sent by the true TOAA which means an avatar doesn't change the intellect of TOAA if TOAA prove not omniscient, therefore he's not omnipotent it's a simple as that my friend. Where did the author say that anyways?

Actually you haven't and I don't feel like repeating myself again.

Again he sends the avatar because his true self's presence would simply kill whoever he's talking to like you just said but that doesn't mean his avatar would Be any less intelligent than his true self meaning the true OAA is also Intrigued by mysteries. And you have evidence to suggest that he was just saying that to make him feel better, that's just an assumption you made up but alas whats else should I expect from you.

I might because I'm done with your mental illnesses ruining my life.
Dark_Wing
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The One-Above-All Okay, how the he'l dose that work?! If TOAA has no true form then what is the difference between him and the Above All Others?

If that's the case then why did you say "anyone trys to show toba or toaa true form they head will blow up and die?" Yes I did because omniscience is a part of omnipotence and if TOAA is not omniscient then how is he omnipotent?

Now please provide evidence that he is omnipotent please.
Dark_Wing
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The One-Above-All If he has no true form (which doesn't make any sense whatsoever) then you'll have to use his aspect because he doesn't have a true form by your logic.

Just because he said he's "all powerful" doesn't automatically make him all powerful. Odin once said he was omnipotent so is he by your logic? And I love how you post a scan that proves he's not omniscient. So there either TOAA was lying or he wasn't Omniscient enough to know that he wasn't omniscient. Boom boom.

Now I have a question for you: is TOAA the writer? If so can you prove it?
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Dark_Wing
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The One-Above-All Have at thee breaker!
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The One-Above-All I'm not, I'm just saying if you want to claim TOAA is omnipotent because he once said so then Odin would also be omnipotent because he once said he was and Master Order even once called him "the living omnipotence." My proof he's not omniscient is in his Conversation with Spider-Man and in that scan you posted. :D

Okay, if he's the writer then I consede that he's omnipotent but then if he was the writer then why isn't he omniscient?
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The One-Above-All Ignore all of this ,I'm Gonna Reformulate All What i type ,A new Debate
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The Presence You guys just have it all wrong. Above All Others is what everyone in Marvel calls him while he calls himself The One Above All. Mike Carey already mentioned that The Presence was only breaking the fourth wall and referring to people writing him. Second of all, Grant Morrison already portrayed The Presence as The Writer in the Animal Man series. The Presence never gave up his omnipotence which is impossible for him to accomplish just to begin with since he is the Overvoid. Look on the Marvel Fandom page for once. Even they admit The One Above All's weakness is multiversal imbalance. I know your going to say that The Presence was killed by the possessed Gabriel, but Lucifer eventually figures out that it was only part of The Presence's plan. The link below explains it all.
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elsala
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The One-Above-All both are god so...
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The One-Above-All A
NegativeHeat
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not voted Omnipotence cancel omnipotence,
Neither of them win
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The One-Above-All Balance will be restored
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The Presence Thank god
arianadatio
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The One-Above-All You're welcome
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The Presence I'm thanking god
arianadatio
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The One-Above-All can i break the balance XD
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The Presence Na I don't like oaa winning this battle
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The One-Above-All OMG why you hate toaa my friend ?
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The Presence I don't like that overrated fodder
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The One-Above-All he is overrated because he is gods...
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The Presence He is below me
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The One-Above-All phoenix >>>mxyzptlk
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The Presence Definitely not
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The Presence I'm >>Phoenix
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The One-Above-All but im sure at 1000% phoenix is more popular than him
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The One-Above-All The White Phoenix of the Crown is above Mxy @arianadatio.
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The One-Above-All @AkhilPDX of course she is she can hold the entire universe in the palm of her hands right
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The One-Above-All It's not that. It's that she's the physical embodiment of all life that has, is, and will exist.
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The One-Above-All my bad @AkhilPDX but i know she hold the entire 616 universe in the palm of her hands and change the future
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The Presence Let me correct u I'm >W Phoenix of the crown
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The Presence Lol that's nothing what mxy did LMAO
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The One-Above-All i like the presence more than toaa
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The Presence Than why did u vote toaa
Presence is more powerful than toaa
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The One-Above-All for me is a stalemate god can not kill god bit idk why i change lol
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The Presence No stalemate presence wins that featless fodder
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The One-Above-All STALEMATE
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The Presence Toaa was not able to stop Thanos regulator he is no near presence
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The One-Above-All Presence has been killed before...
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The Presence That was his plan he wasn't kill
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The One-Above-All for me is a stalemate god can not kill god
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The Presence Presence is true God of DC he is Yahweh ,and next they are both near omnipotent it means one can defeat another
arianadatio
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The One-Above-All idk who win really
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The Presence Presence has far better feats than toaa by feats presence wins
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The One-Above-All so i changed my vote
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The Presence Yaa
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The One-Above-All its okay
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The Presence Now 1 more vote for balance
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The One-Above-All yes someone need to vote presence
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The Presence And u Change ur vote
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The One-Above-All The Presence has been killed before
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Neutral Then he's not omnipotent.
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not voted @Breaker and @_Holy_Joe_ Just for fun who would win if The One-Above-All had all the powers of the Entire Marvel Universe and The Presence has the Powers of the Entire DC Universe Who Wins
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The One-Above-All TOAA is already more powerful than everything in Marvel. The Presence is not.
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The One-Above-All That was an avatar of the presence for one thing, and for another, it was an illusion made for the presences plan
EmptyHand
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The One-Above-All He never died
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Neutral @EmptyHand Then, explain that.
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Neutral Furthermore, if he actually was omnipotent, he would be able to kill The Great Evil Beast and he wouldn't have admitted this.
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The One-Above-All Never said he was Omnipotent, and the characters in that scan are not outside of his plan, and that was an avatar of the presence who was shaped by external forces, the true form of the Presence has no physical body
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Neutral @EmptyHand 'kay, then why was the weapon made?
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The One-Above-All The weapon was made to kill the dark Presence who is nothing more than a pale shadow of the true Presence, it never really hurt Yahweh he just pretended like it did, cause as we all know he has a plan that involves everything and only Lucifer is outside it
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The Presence Akhil everything ? So that's why the regulator stopped him
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The Presence That was yahweh who isnt even the strongest aspect of tf presence
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Neutral @EmptyHand Either way, he still can't kill TGEB. Thus, he's not omnipotent nor omniscient.
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The One-Above-All @HolyJoe well is that why lucifer slapped the great evil beast?
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The Presence The Presence wasn't killed by the possessed Gabriel. Lucifer figured it out by himself just as he states in the link below.
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The One-Above-All Y'all don't know how much I want to break the tie
I would vote One-Above-All
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The One-Above-All I don't even know why I changed my vote.
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The One-Above-All Okay. Okay.
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The Presence Balance
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The Presence At the end..presence is ahead
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The One-Above-All


This answers this question
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The Presence He said it's impossible to have a winner
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The Presence Statistically The Presence is stronger
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The One-Above-All No one should be able to beat the other really because it'd defeat the purpose of who they are.
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The One-Above-All @Tyrannus Neither are Omnipotent
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The One-Above-All Has TOAA ever been injured?
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The Presence You do realize that only happened because that was a weapon created by The Presence himself, right? It's basically just him harming himself.
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The One-Above-All @LordTracer It doesn't make the difference. TOAA made HOTU, but HOTU didn't injure him.
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The Presence And you know presence created that weapon and gave to gabriel? İt was his plan
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The One-Above-All Made a plan to beat himself?
But you can't prove there is a weapon can injure TOAA
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The Presence Yes,he did read lucifer 2016
İ can regulator is above him
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The One-Above-All Regulator's best feat is eternity+infinity
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The Presence Regulator's best feat is killing LT,and destroying toaa's hierarchy
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The One-Above-All but didn't injure TOAA
Oblivion
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The Presence He will injure toaa in infinity ending
Oblivion
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The Presence Presence injured himself btw toaa can do that too
Clint_Barton
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The One-Above-All Omnipotent can do anything he wants, but nigh-omnipotent can't
Oblivion
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The Presence They're both nigh omniponent but presence stronger
Dark_Wing
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The One-Above-All @Oblivion prove that The Presence is stronger?
HolyJoe
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Neutral @Dark_Wing He can't.
Mo
Molen 3 y 3 mo 15 d
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The Presence I just want to restore the balance, even though marvel is my favorite. L:
Clint_Barton
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The One-Above-All TOAA is the most powerful being in multiverse. Presence is not god, but TOAA is.
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LordTracer
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The Presence That is not how anything works. Marvel and DC are two entirely different franchises, you can't say TOAA is God of both (especially when he's not omnipotent).
NegativeHeat
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not voted TOAA is omnipotent, nothing has ever done anything to him
LordTracer
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The Presence Protege didn't take TOAA's place, he never even came close to TOAA. And do you have a scan of Constantine threatening The Presence?
Sunny
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The One-Above-All The Presence is not Omniscient
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LordTracer
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The Presence Neither is The One-Above-All.
Dark_Wing
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The One-Above-All They are both wimps.
LordTracer
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The Presence The One-Above-All wasn't in any danger from the Heart of the Universe, wut? Hell, TOAA created the HotU.
EmptyHand
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The One-Above-All No, the presence should be winning this, The presence SMACKS
HolyJoe
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Neutral @EmptyHand No, he doesn't "SMACK".
EmptyHand
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The One-Above-All He does
AkhilPDX
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The One-Above-All @EmptyHand Regardless of whether Infinity Conflict was a piece of ****, it still holds that in Marvel, you can't mix Post-Retcon and Pre-Retcon together, therefore this TOAA is omnipotent because Post-Retcon TOAA is a separate character here.
LordTracer
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The Presence The One-Above-All is not omnipotent, and he never has been.
EmptyHand
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The One-Above-All Toaa was never Omnipotent
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 3 y 5 mo 9 d
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The One-Above-All The source > The presence? hell no
EmptyHand
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The One-Above-All The presence was stated as > the over monitor once so, The presence > Over monitor >>> Source
AkhilPDX
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The One-Above-All Over-Monitor = TOAA =>>>> Presence (Don't ask how it works, it just does).
EmptyHand
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The One-Above-All It actually doesnt
LordTracer
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The Presence Nah, where's the proof? You can't just say TOAA=>>>> The Presence (which is a contradiction in itself) without any evidence to back that up.
AkhilPDX
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The One-Above-All @Dark_Wing Not just John Constantine, but the fact Elaine Belloc and Great Evil Beast are supposedly the same power level. How can you have 3 "omnipotent" beings" (Maybe I'm wrong and you can)? Not the same for TOAA and Fulcrum.
soratoumiga
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The Presence Lol, "there all beneath Source". Lucifer, not only flew past him, he literally ignored the Source, Source is so insignificant compared to Lucifer or anyone on Vertigo level. Destiny himself carries the Source in his book. Source is MOST CERTAINLY NOT above them. And neither is Over Monitor, it's a piece of trash.
Tyrannus
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The One-Above-All I don't actually want to vote in case it throws off the balance. Really neither should win because it defeats the purpose of who they are
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 3 y 4 mo 16 d
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The One-Above-All There all beneath source? What a lot of bull ****!
THEALLTHATTHEREIS
THEALLTHATTHEREIS 3 y 5 mo 11 d
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The One-Above-All the one above all wins
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EmptyHand
EmptyHand 3 y 5 mo 10 d
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The One-Above-All NO, he doesn't, the presence smacks
Bane333
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The Presence Sorry guys have to go with my instinct and what I believe the presence wins 10/9.5) it's close but the presence has the upper hand.
Fight difficulty (very hard)
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EmptyHand
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The One-Above-All I agree
ManofPower
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The One-Above-All No. I just like to keep this match balanced.
Presence is equal to The HOTU
OAA is slightly inferior to The Over Monitor.
Presence is just shy of nigh-omnipotence
OAA is shy of omnipotence
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LuciferTheSaint
LuciferTheSaint 3 y 7 mo 5 d
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The Presence you should read Thanos: infinity conflict as well.
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 3 y 7 mo 5 d
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The One-Above-All Presence, over monitor & Toaa, are all overrated, and honestly annoyingly overrated
LuciferTheSaint
LuciferTheSaint 3 y 7 mo 5 d
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The Presence @emptyhand agreed
Ma
Mat 3 y 7 mo 15 d
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The Presence Someone vote for the presence
Ma
Mat 3 y 7 mo 19 d
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The Presence In my opinion the presence wins
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EmptyHand
EmptyHand 3 y 7 mo 16 d
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The One-Above-All Cause he was never proven as not Omnipotent wall Toaa was proven as not Omnipotent
EmptyHand
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The One-Above-All Moving my vote over, Presence >= Toaa.

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