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That's enough to provide proof that the External Force is The Presence in its true form because The Presence has been confirmed by The Writer as "God", while "God" itself certainly doesn't have a form that can be described by human reason!
1)This avatar is created by true form presence so as he said The true form is external force.
In this case TOA = The presence
2)This avatar is shaped by author's as well as his real form. being avatar does not mean that his true form should be made by real form only.
P.s As this debate can be either way I'll change my vote to neutral and suggest to do same because this is not discussion about the presence only. You didn't say even one argument proving that Presence is more powerful than TOA (We only discussed his relation to external forces and avatars)
So this is more than enough to prove that The Presence is stronger than TOAA, because characters who are endowed with powers such as Elaine Belloc and Rita Farr have the potential to become Supreme Beings (Creatures who have control over Verse / Author tier)
TOA >= Presence
First time I see somebody voting presence because he thinks he would win.
P.s Saw the last scan and it does not change anything for me because as they are different characters they both did something that another one didn't. But does Presence have feeats that are impossible for TOA to do? it's the only question that matters
TOA: "No, I will lose I don't truly understand the love phenomenon"
does it seem real?
And Author said, everythings in DC just aspect by The Presence no one can compare him
My question is so simple and clear and answer directly
can he create a stone no one can lift and then if you think he can will he also be able to lift it himself?
So, External Force = The Presence of God
As "the Voice", the Light created the word and the Omniverse. In the process, it wrote its divine name into all creation on a submolecular level, making the Light present in all things. The I found this online and this proves that he is a created being. The cosmos is being refused as the presence and if this does not convince you (which it obviously wont because you are a fanboy)I done debating since you accused everyone being biased towards him even though it is just the fax.
P.s @LadyGaladriel1212 was right.
Unlike TOA, The presence is created by author.
and @LadyGaladriel herself is just giving an opinion that has absolutely nothing to do with The Presence, and then you defend her just because she agrees with you even though what she's giving doesn't make any sense where it comes from.
One-Above-All = A true omnipotent reigns over a larger universe with supreme gods.
Omnipotence contradicts itself
So they're equal
you cant just be a little omnipotent... you either are or you arent
Peter Parker: With pleasure.
Get your fucking alt out of here, Retarganic.
Multi oblivion
Multi eternity
True living trabunal
House of ideas vision
House of ideas nyx
Now.
Then
Gwenpool
Gutter space doom
Divine creator
Man thing power of divine creator
One below all
Cosmic immortal hulk etc
And I'm telling about DC the presence don't include vertigo I know vertigo the presence is omnipotent and equal one above all and the beyonder
I only read 14 and where are the 100? (Neither can, but I'd like to meet those characters.)
He's cooler ig.
- The Presence.
The One-above-all can turn Dreams into Reality.
TOAA is referred to as a creator/editor/reader.
Retcon corp staff views it all as fiction.
The presence = omnipotent
physical true form...again another proof
evil presence is not the presence himself the writer himself has stated about it...
look at this tweet https://twitter.com/_kingkai_/status/889221216405422082
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-4e246a315575f5f2f7d51796c00fb761
he was below oblivion/the outside:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c9de2f012546324c397e1dcdd6fb7ccb
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e9e6ebf22d76113b29debf8064eddba2
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f25e353ec9170ae592326286c63d6b39
jim starlin aka an avatar of toaa view all the infinity ending storyline as mere fiction:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c37742bc5985a00665e1be8f567f2b1e
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0d7a8d2298b6cfea716647c0e231fd66
heck toaa is way beyond the outside/oblivion:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-67de87cbc5b8b71079726814245da3e5
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-74ddbb5a44a577c3875458b3e11f1250
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a0c88e3d7bb035aa6ab9120ffbf5a1af
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-acf3c77a6f5ee66c6c32bc2af38c3605
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0b0a41f5d5ed1128438dfcfc6c7a3660
and in the hoi it was true above all others aka the peak of toaa's avatars,not toaa,heck toaa exist even above the hoi:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-92b381720caf87f9d5791c6b1700b777
the hoi views oblivion as a mere piece of paper so clearily it wasn't toaa
Presence is nigh-omnipotent
TOAA is Omnipotent
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-4e246a315575f5f2f7d51796c00fb761
he was below oblivion/the outside:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c9de2f012546324c397e1dcdd6fb7ccb
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e9e6ebf22d76113b29debf8064eddba2
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f25e353ec9170ae592326286c63d6b39
jim starlin aka an avatar of toaa view all the infinity ending storyline as mere fiction:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c37742bc5985a00665e1be8f567f2b1e
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0d7a8d2298b6cfea716647c0e231fd66
heck toaa is way beyond the outside/oblivion:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-67de87cbc5b8b71079726814245da3e5
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-74ddbb5a44a577c3875458b3e11f1250
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a0c88e3d7bb035aa6ab9120ffbf5a1af
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-acf3c77a6f5ee66c6c32bc2af38c3605
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0b0a41f5d5ed1128438dfcfc6c7a3660
and in the hoi it was true above all others aka the peak of toaa's avatars,not toaa,heck toaa exist even above the hoi:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-92b381720caf87f9d5791c6b1700b777
the hoi views oblivion as a mere piece of paper so clearily it wasn't toaa
3)ok and with this? 4)nope lmao,oblivion is the canvas aka the outside
5)al ewing only said that they haven't true forms but they can have avatars and i debunked ur claim as well
good ignorance,try again dude who don't know the cosmology
2. Infinite nothingness does not fulfills the demand for even 1b(Hyperversal).
3. Oblivion is the canvas (the outside)
4. Lmfao. She just went beyond creation. Also by this pralaya is bounded by creation and oblivion is thousand times above that.
5. Lmfao. Even comic also says toaa represents all writers ,readers , artists .
6. I will not continue this debate here. Join the server and debate me over there.
3)oblivion is the outside:
[img] https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-2eecfa9bf150042a19e8222b05a70123 [/ img]
which was implied several times to be the canvas
4)"So the statement about TOAA is the Author, Editor, and Reader itself is a lie, and the statement that TOAA is the House of Ideas itself is false because it was written on Twitter by the author." it isn't since it has been confirmed in comics as well,the hoi is a facet of toaa,even then confirmed it lmao
2. I am 1000000% sure you don't know anything about dimensional scaling. Do you? 1A is outerversal and requirements of 1A is this "Characters who functionally transcend the rest of the Tiering System, and stand outside of any extensions of infinite hierarchies and sizes, to varying degrees and magnitudes. In more straightforward terms, this category could be said to be occupied by characters whose size and/or level of power cannot be reached by merely stacking bigger infinities on top of each other."- and pralaya even in her true form does not fulfills the demand of it. Pralaya at it's true form is at best high 1b.
3. Pralaya is not the canvas lmao. It is fodder for multi eternity. oblivion is above overvoid tiers.
4. I never told him to attack you. He just saw your statements and that's why joined the site. Also what you and your friend lazada attacking me??
2. I never told anyone to attack you. Ask @Simeon2021c
1.Cosmic Cubes gave Thanos Godhood (defined as Dominion over all planes of Reality)
Kubik can control all of Reality and Existence (Which itself is Transfinite Number of Layers)
There are Infinite number of Transfinite levels of Infinity within a single Eternity.
Where Celestials are many Cardinals above Cosmic Cubes.
Kosmos and Kubik think of Celestials as merely parts of a game that Eternity plays
Scan saying that Universal Eternity is Far Transfinite over his M-bodies
Universal Eternities are merely cells compared to True Multi Eternity.
So with this even universal eternity is high outerversal (high 1A) not just 1A.
@EnDico Correction: This is my friend's server. I don't have any server. Btw, i told to join bc i don't remain active that much in the site . Btw, who is talking with you? Why are you interfering??
I say wins.
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
Thanos absorbed TOAA Avatar not TOAA
Be more like TOAA and The Presence
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
Jack Kirby has his own separate profile and has nothing to do with TOAA. TOAA is at best equal to The Source in DC. The Source is the source of all existence in DC making The Source the Omniverse itself, which completely matches TOAA except TOAA is only Multiversal.
The Source and TOAA are both a massive beam of energy so they are equal but TOAA is only Multiversal while The Source is Omniversal. The Source is the Omniverse itself while TOAA is the multiverse itself. Also, TOAA admits it isn't true omnipotent.
TOAA is not the true god of Marvel. In fact, there are no omnipotent beings in Marvel as of right now. The only omnipotent being in Marvel is Jack Kirby since he made his own appearance in Marvel. Other than that, there are no omnipotent beings in Marvel.
@EnDico Follow? I have no reason for following you. I just saw you telling same things again so i just ce to defend toaa here.
1. "Nobody is going to agree with you so knock it off. When TOAA says, "The mystery intrigues me," it means there is a mystery that interests TOAA so he isn't omniscient. You think I worship DC a little to much? Look at yourself for once, you worship and treat TOAA as if he is above omnipotence like he can solo anyone in any comic book but TOAA is the dumbest most pathetic fodder I have ever seen in my life. Regulator Thanos stomped TOAA and Protege stomped TOAA. "- Again is it your hobby to bring up same scans again and again. First, mystery is a place in marvel
3. "The Source and TOAA are both a massive beam of energy so they are equal but TOAA is only Multiversal while The Source is Omniversal. The Source is the Omniverse itself while TOAA is the multiverse itself. Also, TOAA admits it isn't true omnipotent."- This is infinity conflict which is not canon
4. "TOAA is not the true god of Marvel. In fact, there are no omnipotent beings in Marvel as of right now. The only omnipotent being in Marvel is Jack Kirby since he made his own appearance in Marvel. Other than that, there are no omnipotent beings in Marvel."-All of your scans have been debunked. You should stop being ironic here. Toaa is omnipotent. You never proved why he is not omnipotent. So stop voting presence. This is actually fanboyism
1. Presence is shaped by some external forces
And that isn't the only proof The Presence is one with the Overvoid. One of the writers of Vertigo even admits the Overvoid is only a mere aspect of The Presence.
In Vertigo, The Presence admits that it is a product of outside forces, but this is a reference to the writers of Vertigo but also a reference to the minds and imaginations of humanity. Now, let's switch to the main DCU. The Presence is Grant Morrison (DC writer) since The Presence was caught holding a paint brush in one of the Animal Man series. We all know The Presence is the Abrahamic God in both Vertigo and DCU.
And when Spectre merges with the void beyond all voids, it admits The Presence surpasses everyone and everything in creation. And this the void beyond all voids, FYI.
And by the way, the picture you posted that TOAA admits he sees everything, the mystery intrigues him etc, just realize that claims are NOT facts. TOAA is the most featless character in Marvel so there is absolutely no proof of him being the writer or anything. TOAA's name was never mentioned during the Jack Kirby scene so he isn't the writer. Jack Kirby has his own separate profile. That's why TOAA is at best equal to The Source since The Source is the source of all existence in the DC Omniverse and TOAA is the source of all existence in the Marvel Multiverse. Since The Presence is proved to be Grant Morrison, this means one thing: Writer=True Omnipotence.
And Lucifer himself even admits The Presence is true omnipotent in Vertigo.
And also, The Dark Presence is not one with the true Presence. Lucifer supports this claim as well. Lucifer states that this isn't his father (Presence) and he knows it. Dark Presence and True Presence aren't the same and never were.
Now, The Presence and GEB aren't equal in power. It is The Presence who is more powerful. The reason why I say this is because when The Presence and GEB merged, GEB was never seen again and that proves The Presence absorbed it considering The Presence is infinite and eternal while GEB is not.
And finally, The Presence shocked the Overvoid when the Overvoid figures out that The Presence's creation had actually existed and began studying it. This proves the Overvoid is only nigh-omniscient. The Presence is omniscient because when it admits it is shaped by outside forces, it is aware of the writers of Vertigo and only an omniscient being is aware of that.
The Presence speaks through every being and everything in creation.
Spectre even admits The Presence sits above all others.
The Presence created the DC multiverse just by using it's hand.
The Presence became aware of itself even when it was unconscious in it's true form (Divine Presence). The Presence actually created itself in it's true form.
What more can I say? The Presence is omnipotent. It is God with a capital G. TOAA hasn't shown ANY of these feats at all while The Presence actually did to prove us that it is God of the entire DC Omniverse.
2. "And that isn't the only proof The Presence is one with the Overvoid. One of the writers of Vertigo even admits the Overvoid is only a mere aspect of The Presence."- Yeah sure JM de matteis is marvel writer. His 90% comics are of marvel . He don't know anything about dc.
3. "In Vertigo, The Presence admits that it is a product of outside forces, but this is a reference to the writers of Vertigo but also a reference to the minds and imaginations of humanity. Now, let's switch to the main DCU. The Presence is Grant Morrison (DC writer) since The Presence was caught holding a paint brush in one of the Animal Man series. We all know The Presence is the Abrahamic God in both Vertigo and DCU."-Writer ??? Lmao.The external forces that shaped presence was the collective unconsiousness of humans
3. "And when Spectre merges with the void beyond all voids, it admits The Presence surpasses everyone and everything in creation. And this the void beyond all voids, FYI."-This is not even hyperversal lmao.
4. "And by the way, the picture you posted that TOAA admits he sees everything, the mystery intrigues him etc, just realize that claims are NOT facts. TOAA is the most featless character in Marvel so there is absolutely no proof of him being the writer or anything. TOAA's name was never mentioned during the Jack Kirby scene so he isn't the writer. Jack Kirby has his own separate profile. That's why TOAA is at best equal to The Source since The Source is the source of all existence in the DC Omniverse and TOAA is the source of all existence in the Marvel Multiverse. Since The Presence is proved to be Grant Morrison, this means one thing: Writer=True Omnipotence."- Lol. Can you stop spamming the same words again. Also my claims are facts. You did not posted a single scan to debunk me. Lmao. Also toaa embodies every writer/reader /creator
6. "And Lucifer himself even admits The Presence is true omnipotent in Vertigo."- Yeah by statements odin is omnipotent .
7. "And also, The Dark Presence is not one with the true Presence. Lucifer supports this claim as well. Lucifer states that this isn't his father (Presence) and he knows it. Dark Presence and True Presence aren't the same and never were."-I never brought dark presence argument lol.
8. "Now, The Presence and GEB aren't equal in power. It is The Presence who is more powerful. The reason why I say this is because when The Presence and GEB merged, GEB was never seen again and that proves The Presence absorbed it considering The Presence is infinite and eternal while GEB is not." - This is irrelevant and does not debunks any of my presence debunks. I never claimed geb is equal to presence.
9. "And finally, The Presence shocked the Overvoid when the Overvoid figures out that The Presence's creation had actually existed and began studying it. This proves the Overvoid is only nigh-omniscient. The Presence is omniscient because when it admits it is shaped by outside forces, it is aware of the writers of Vertigo and only an omniscient being is aware of that." Presence never shocked overvoid. Infact, presence is born from overvoid. Overvoid existed before creation and my above scans prove that.
11. "The Presence speaks through every being and everything in creation."- Not impressive.
12. "Spectre even admits The Presence sits above all others"-This is fodder to living tribunal.
13. "The Presence created the DC multiverse just by using it's hand."-This is empty hand not presence .
14. "The Presence became aware of itself even when it was unconscious in it's true form (Divine Presence). The Presence actually created itself in it's true form."- no he was created from overvoid.
15. "What more can I say? The Presence is omnipotent. It is God with a capital G. TOAA hasn't shown ANY of these feats at all while The Presence actually did to prove us that it is God of the entire DC Omniverse."-lmao toaa created marvel omniverse
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
TOAA> Marvel Universe
The Presence> DC Universe
Because thanos absorb the power of the one-above-all avatar
This is the avatar of One-Above-All
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/f/fc/Above_All_Others.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/450?cb=20181217054345
and this is the real One-Above-All
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/omniversal-battlefield/images/d/d8/The_One_Above_All.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190723213227
The-One-Above-All >>>The presence >>>Thanos Regulator >>> Above ALL Others
>>>Living Tribunal
Also, when TOAA said, "The mystery intrigues me," that means TOAA has a mystery to it and omniscient beings just don't have any mysteries to them so TOAA is nigh-omniscient. So, it should be more like:
The Presence>>>Thanos Regulator>>>TOAA>>>Living Tribunal.
The Presence shocked the Overvoid when the Overvoid figured out The Presence's creation actually existed even though it actually has for as long as 20 billion years. The Overvoid is only nigh-omniscient/nigh-omnipotent but even then it still flicks TOAA because TOAA was absorbed by Thanos along with a regulator. Presence blinkstomps TOAA.
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
-Both Nigh Omnipotent
-Both can't be killed as they both have unlimited power and both immortal
-TOAA is "One above all" but only in the Marvel universe
-The Presence was holding a paint brush meaning he was the writer for DCU.
The Presence is Grant Morrison who is a DC writer so The Presence is omnipotent.
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
For example, the Fantastic Four once visited “Heaven” and saw someone there that looked like Jack Kirby. This person demonstrated a control over reality by using an eraser to start erasing Reed’s face. No where is “The One Above All” mentioned. Nor does it explicitly state that he is “God”. It’s very highly suggested that he is God, but not necessarily the One Above All.
The next biggest appearance we have is what you have pictured. That was in a Spider-Man comic. Spider-Man was doubting his worth and whether everything he did was worth it. So this homeless guy who seemed to know everything takes a walk with Peter. Again, The One Above All isn’t mentioned. Nor is “God”. Just, again, highly suggested that it’s “God”.
Now, since we know that there is a “One Above All” and we know that he is the singular most powerful entity in Marvel. It is easy to make the leap that any reference to “God” is a reference to the One Above All. This may or may not be the case. Both of those appearances are solo. They exist in and of themselves without really being connected to anything else. No references or connections at all.
So no, he’s not Stan Lee or even Jack Kirby. He just isn’t.
Presence holds up a regulator at TOAA and states, "You can say that again. Resistance is futile."
TOAA, "NO!!!."
Marvel fans still believe TOAA wins even after defeat only because Marvel is overrated. Marvel children in a nutshell.
Just like Ron White said, “You can’t fix stupid.”
Because
Both are equal.
I'm voting Presence just because they should be equal.
I think it should be more like: Presence>GEB>Michael=Lucifer=Gabriel=Elaine>TOAA
The One Above All, however, loses his powers when a regulator is out of place. Sorry, but regulators are what grant him his omnipotence or should I say, "Nigh-Omnipotence".
Regulator>TOAA
However, The Presence literally held everything in his hand. Everything. The whole Omniverse and all of infinite realities. The Presence is high outerversal and created the Omniverse, and TOAA is the multiverse itself when regulators are on a higher scale proven.
Presence>>>Regulator>>>TOAA
Presence murderstomps TOAA.
FYI, if you really want some proof that TOAA is only nigh-omnipotent, read the infinity conflict.
And not to mention that Presence got killed by rox ogama
Referring to the Infinity Conflict, it still doesn't change the fact that TOAA was defeated. Did TOAA show any impressive feats? No, other than eating a burger with Peter Parker. Did The Presence show any impressive feats? The Presence held the entirety of creation (AKA Omniverse) in just one hand. So, your the one who is missing out right now on DC, not me. Did I not mention Protege also took TOAA's position at one point?
The Presence>>>Michael=Lucifer=Gabriel=Elaine>>>TOAA
TOAA should be renamed to TOAM (AKA, The One Above Most).
The dying god left your universe defenceless wounded.
And no Rox ogama isn’t referring to Darkseid as the radiant and spectre vanished it was stated that Radiant and Spectre won’t vanish until Yahweh perishes first
And the same rox ogama died to a few lanterns and supermen
Which makes presence even more fodder.
Toaa one-shots Miachel lucifer presence and elaine at the same time
And scathan is below TOAA
When The Presence talked with Lucifer, "The Plan" that the presence is referring to is The Story and Events that would happen in the DC Universe. Predestination (A.K.A The Story) which what Lucifer was trying to escape since he rebelled. He tried to escape the already untouchable story and fate of the DC Universe. which the presence had already planned from the beginning. From The Crisis on infinite earths, and all events that ever happened had already been planned out by the presence. and the monitors are the ones who recorded it.
What The Presence is holding appears to be creation (AKA, DC Omniverse) The Presence held all creation in his hand, proving his superiority towards everything else in the DC Universe including the monitors "Diary Writing", and Lucifer who finally escaped The Presence's Plan (The Story) and now sitting with him "Outside of the DC Universe". Lucifer may have escaped creation itself and gone somewhere in the Overvoid, but note that The Overvoid and The Presence are actually related and are the same. The Presence is everywhere but also nowhere at once so no matter how many times Lucifer tries to escape The Presence, just realize The Presence is God and is omnipresent which means he is everywhere, everything, and nowhere at once.
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
Presence>GEB>Elaine=Lucifer=Michael=Gabriel>Regulator>TOAA
It is the source of all that exists. Mostly associated with the New Gods, the Source was the supposed origin of the Godwave that is believed to have been responsible for creating and empowering the "Gods" of the DC Omniverse with their divine abilities. It also seems to be partially responsible for the ability of DC residents to develop super-powers, especially those which defy physics. Lying at the edge of the known universe in the Promethean Galaxy is the Source Wall, which protects the Source, and traps all those who attempt to pass beyond it. The Source specifically tasks Perpetua to create the multiverse that is contained in the DC Omniverse. The Source is the source of all existence in the DC Omniverse and that is essentially what TOAA is as well. The Source is the Omniverse itself, and TOAA is the Omniverse itself as well. They are equal in power, both one and the same. However, The Presence is far greater than The Source and there is a proof.
The Presence held the whole Omniverse within the palm of his hand which contains everyone and everything including The Source. Not only that, but when The Presence was the void itself, it became aware of itself and that is how it formed it's avatar. So, how did The Presence become aware of itself if it is the void? Because it is omnipotent.
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
You lose a debate when you have to resort to insults instead of actual arguments. That's why you always lose.
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
Be more like TOAA and The Presence
So yeah good one thinking that's the one above all
Everyone in Marvel calls him Above-All-Others while he/she calls himself The One Above All. Now let's be honest, how mentally retarded are you? Even Thanos calls him Above-All-Others. You realize Mike Carey also explained that The Presence was only breaking the fourth wall and referring to the writers, right? No fictional character is the writer. No fictional character will ever be the writer and it's impossible to accomplish.
So, TOAA lost twice. Not just Thanos, but even Protege took TOAA's position. I've already proved my point. TOAA isn't omnipotent. His name should be renamed to The One Above Most. Maybe this video will change your perspective with TOAA. Here's a recap with TOAA's nigh omnipotence.
So stop making yourself look like a dumbass, and If you could prove yourself not blind that would be hella good, since considering you don't realize that the scan literally shows Jim starlin coming up with the entire story in his head and he's just a manifestation of the one above all, use your eyes for once you fucking moron
No only people in jim starlin his separate marvel canon calls him above all others, in every other comic people call him the one above all you're so fucking stupid its unbelievable, jim starlin almost got fired for his work because he published a story where that happened, yet he never showed anything like the superflow, outside, etc he only used 5D cosmological structures and that's it, you're so fucking moronic, you don't read any comics do you, since I saw your comment down there saying you use Wikipedia like a retard, now think again, if jim starlin isn't canon to main marvel cosmology, if nothing the above all others did relates to the one above all at all, if everything in the story contradicts everything else in marvel, does that mean that it's the true oaa? No exactly, now quit your brain dead ass and be smart for once
Also protégé legit only made a self statement and that was after absorbing the living tribunals powers only you dumbass, then he lost to a celestial right after that, not even the strongest celestial either, read. The. Story. Legit does getting defeated by a celestial and getting the power of the living tribunal make you the one above all? No exactly, I just clapped you on that point as well
Lmao imagine using videos as unironic evidence
Presence>GEB>Elaine=Lucifer=Michael=Gabriel>Regulator>TOAA
The Presence murderstomps TOAA.
This took a combination of the Living Tribunal and Scathan the Approver to only absorb the new TOAA. The Living Tribunal himself could not defeat the new TOAA so it took some assistance. That was completely cannon to the story and I know a lot of Marvel fans don't want to believe that part but it was cannon and that is reality right there. The Presence, however, was caught holding a paint brush in Heaven in one of the Animal Man series and what do you do with a paint brush? You create pictures and art. That right there proves The Presence in Grant Morrison. Presence>TOAA
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
Be more like TOAA and The Presence
See the regulator universal. Every reality/dimension has a regulator.
That doesn't make you the most powerful ever, and see @RajinKabir also says AAO and TOAA aren't the same, only you don't want to accept the fact that how can a character written by a writer can defeat the writer himself, even pre-retcon beyonder defeats AAO, he isn't TOAA.
Beyonders killed Post Retcon LT.
But we already know LT is omniscient, he knows everything and exists in all realities, he is the judge of everything, but wait what did he say in Infinity Conflict
I had no idea this problem had such widespread repercussions.
Lmao, he also asks AOO "This has become a multidimensional crisis?
Thus, he was not omniscient. So, either you accept that they were just avatars or continue to look away from the truth.
So, The Presence is The Writer.
Plus, Lucifer admitted The Presence's powers:
By the way, I know you will say he passed his powers down but that is not the case. The Presence passed creation just to break the tie between Heaven and Hell during their final battle. The Presence instead calls this "To cut the knot" solution. Plus, The Presence annihilated Lilith without breaking a sweat in this picture.
Dc isnt 4d,i assume you are referring to this
4 dimensions refers to 4 realms.Highest of them being the 6th dimension then source wall and 2 others idr.
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
Be more like TOAA and The Presence
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
Be more like TOAA and The Presence
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So, assuming that Monitor-Mind The Over-Void is literally the white page, The Presence is the writer/illustrator, since, in Animal Man #5, Grant Morrison portrayed the Presence as the writer/illustrator within the setting of the DC Universe. The links above explain it all.
its complicated let me explain
The god in dc has multiple manifestations
The monitors see the god as overvoid
The angels see him as presence
The new gods see him as source
Morrison confirmed it in one of his tweets.
The god is the combined form of everything i mentioned above
Beings in dc appears diffrent to diffrent races,for example michael demiurgos,appears to christians as michael,yet buddhists see him as khali,(it was revealed during his fight with spectre) etc.
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Now, I'll say this again: assuming that Monitor-Mind The Over-Void is literally the white page, The Presence is the writer/illustrator, since, in Animal Man #5, Grant Morrison portrayed the Presence as the writer/illustrator within the setting of the DC Universe. So, you have it all wrong. Readers aren't greater than the writer because they have no impact with the story line and the plot itself. And I know your going to come up with two more excuses as to why you think The Presence isn't supreme. Yes, he merged with The Great Evil Beast, but The Presence absorbed The Great Darkness and his powers and since The Presence is the Overvoid, he still has the upper hand. Second of all, in the new Lucifer Run, everyone thought that The Presence was killed by a possessed Gabriel using a sword that was designed by The Presence himself.
So everyone in Heaven wondered how that is even "paradoxically" possible and after the following issues, Lucifer figured out that it was just another shenanigan by The Presence as well. Here is another link that explains this.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111296040/6471245-6425662-lucifer.jpg
And as you can see from the comic page above, The Presence might not have even been dead at all. What the angels thought was the death of the "Original God", may as well just be him again making changes, and using lower entities to do it. Now lets move on to The One Above All. The Marvel Fandom page says that he is supreme, but EVEN the fandom admits that his weakness is Multiversal Imbalance. In it's own words "Multiversal Imbalance: When Thanos, controlled by his omnipotent future self, got hold of his universe's Regulator (an artifact more powerful than the Infinity Gems which served to keep each universe separate from one another), this caused grave imbalance to the Multiverse something that neither the Above-All-Others was able to fix.[17] This allowed the all-powerful Thanos from the year 4657 A.D. to absorb the Above-All-Others". But don't assume that the name "Above-All-Others" is a mere extension of The One Above All because they are the exact same being except everyone in Marvel calls in Above All Others while he (himself) calls him The One Above All. When The Presence mentioned "External Forces" one of the writers of DC even admits that he was only breaking the fourth wall and referring to The Writers. Even though The Presence is The Writer, he still is aware of people writing him as well. And I know your going to say that he passed his powers down to Elaine, but that's not the case. The Presence did this because there was a final battle between Heaven and Hell, so The Presence passed Creation down to Elaine to break the tie. Even then, this was still part of The Presence's plan. He never gave up his omnipotence since he is the Overvoid. Giving up omnipotence is impossible for him to accomplish just to begin with. The Presence could still take away the powers he had given to Elaine since he made her nigh-omnipotent. Elaine is still below The Presence since he is truly omnipotent. The fandom page even says it.
https://fictional-battle-omniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Elaine_Belloc
So The One Above All maybe the writer of his own multiverse. That's great and all, but it's already known that Marvel is only a multiverse since regulators are on a much higher scale (omniversal essentially) which is what proves that The One Above All is really multiversal while The Presence is beyond omniversal since we know he's the Overvoid and The Writer.
I see through many eyes (omnipresent)
I am all powerful (omnipotent)
As i have already said. AAO is an aspect of OAA. And almost all writers do not consider it to be canon in any way. TOAA is always treated as a writer like figure, while AAO was regarded as a entity whom living tribunal serves. Regulator Thanos has no hope of defeating true OAA, writers have already ignored this work because it didn't follow and screwed up the basic concepts of the marvel multiverse, and I actually read one of your earlier comments and did you just say spectre > TOAA lol.
AAO is TOAA stop it everyone knows it.
Nah, TOAA is already a writer level character and regulator thanos is a fictional one.
Writer>>>Fictional character. And iirc, the comic was written by starlin who created thanos and it was his last comic, he just wanted to prove in the end his character is basically the strongest in marvel, and many editors have straight up said that Infinity Conflict is not canon in any way, Starlin might think something else, but everybody else does not believe that.
You yourself have accepted TOAA is atleast the writer of the marvel multiverse, then explain how regulator thanos can beat a writer character. Regulator is fictional and Writer>>>Fictional Character. That is why the comic is ignored by almost every writer and editor.
Spectre can't beat TOAA. Even AAO is confirmed omnipotent, spectre got slapped by a weakened michael, spectre loses to LT and Beyonder.
The three scans you have been sending from the start to claim Grant Morrison portrayed him as the writer are very small to read, I can't see a thing honestly, and yes we readers have as much importance as the writers. We have indirect plot manipulation, if there are demands for the comics of a particular character to be written, writers do that. If we don't read the comics they publish, it does affect their work on a large scale.
It has already been said GEB is outside of presence's creation.
AOO is not a chicken, just because it was the writer's last comic and he wanted thanos to be the most powerful character ever in history, doesn't change the fact, that writers and editors have straight up said they don't consider the work to be canon. You can simply consider AOO as Starlin's version of TOAA and TOAA is the rest of the writer's version of it.
"Before light"
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And if your saying 99% of everyone on this page think they are separate, then look at those who voted for The Presence for once.
Many people believe TOAA and AAO are different, but they think presence can beat both of them, and look at the comments down, literally everyone who says about regulator already says AOO is an aspect of TOAA. It is widely accepted, since it doesn't make sense how a character can go against a writer to defeat him when the writer is himself writing the character.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/0/06/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_1.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180322
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Now, I'll say this again: assuming that Monitor-Mind The Over-Void is literally the white page, The Presence is the writer/illustrator, since, in Animal Man #5, Grant Morrison portrayed the Presence as the writer/illustrator within the setting of the DC Universe. So, you have it all wrong. Readers aren't greater than the writer because they have no impact with the story line and the plot itself. And I know your going to come up with two more excuses as to why you think The Presence isn't supreme. Yes, he merged with The Great Evil Beast, but The Presence absorbed The Great Darkness and his powers and since The Presence is the Overvoid, he still has the upper hand. Second of all, in the new Lucifer Run, everyone thought that The Presence was killed by a possessed Gabriel using a sword that was designed by The Presence himself.
So everyone in Heaven wondered how that is even "paradoxically" possible and after the following issues, Lucifer figured out that it was just another shenanigan by The Presence as well. Here is another link that explains this.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111296040/6471245-6425662-lucifer.jpg
And as you can see from the comic page above, The Presence might not have even been dead at all. What the angels thought was the death of the "Original God", may as well just be him again making changes, and using lower entities to do it. Now lets move on to The One Above All. The Marvel Fandom page says that he is supreme, but EVEN the fandom admits that his weakness is Multiversal Imbalance. In it's own words "Multiversal Imbalance: When Thanos, controlled by his omnipotent future self, got hold of his universe's Regulator (an artifact more powerful than the Infinity Gems which served to keep each universe separate from one another), this caused grave imbalance to the Multiverse something that neither the Above-All-Others was able to fix.[17] This allowed the all-powerful Thanos from the year 4657 A.D. to absorb the Above-All-Others". But don't assume that the name "Above-All-Others" is a mere extension of The One Above All because they are the exact same being except everyone in Marvel calls in Above All Others while he (himself) calls him The One Above All. When The Presence mentioned "External Forces" one of the writers of DC even admits that he was only breaking the fourth wall and referring to The Writers. Even though The Presence is The Writer, he still is aware of people writing him as well. And I know your going to say that he passed his powers down to Elaine, but that's not the case. The Presence did this because there was a final battle between Heaven and Hell, so The Presence passed Creation down to Elaine to break the tie. Even then, this was still part of The Presence's plan. He never gave up his omnipotence since he is the Overvoid. Giving up omnipotence is impossible for him to accomplish just to begin with. The Presence could still take away the powers he had given to Elaine since he made her nigh-omnipotent. Elaine is still below The Presence since he is truly omnipotent. The fandom page even says it.
https://fictional-battle-omniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Elaine_Belloc
So The One Above All maybe the writer of his own multiverse. That's great and all, but it's already known that Marvel is only a multiverse since regulators are on a much higher scale (omniversal essentially) which is what proves that The One Above All is really multiversal while The Presence is beyond omniversal since we know he's the Overvoid and The Writer.
Beings infinitely transcends high outerversal level,borderlining tier 0 are still compared by feats,what makes feats irrelevant here? its just you trying wank a nigh featless fodder to heavens and beyond lmao.
Guys search on Wikipedia presence is omnipotent...
And TOAA have no document in Wikipedia..
Presence can curb stomp Toaa
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
Be more like TOAA and The Presence
First of all, Thanos did not absorb The One Above All. He absorbed its avatar: Above All Others.
Second of all, in Infinity Conflict, The One Above All was stated multiple times to be the embodiment of all writers and editors. Jim Starlin talked about how he created the infinity series, including the characters in it. He's literally the True One-Above-All.
Third, in Ultimates, TOAA was beyond everything including the conceptless nothingness and all time and space in the Jim Starlin Story.
Finally and most importantly, Thanos was only absorbing AVATARS of the abstract. The true Eternity exists out of all in the dark nothingness, but the Eternity Thanos absorbed was in a pocket actuality. The Living Tribunal told Adam they're avatars of entirely different realities and TOAA stated he only became the embodiment of avatars in this reality.
It doesn't matter how strong a character is. The-One-Above-All will always be above Marvel and every book, character, location, narrative, and story.
Presence stomp , people still believe toaa being omnipotent
Actually you haven't and I don't feel like repeating myself again.
Again he sends the avatar because his true self's presence would simply kill whoever he's talking to like you just said but that doesn't mean his avatar would Be any less intelligent than his true self meaning the true OAA is also Intrigued by mysteries. And you have evidence to suggest that he was just saying that to make him feel better, that's just an assumption you made up but alas whats else should I expect from you.
I might because I'm done with your mental illnesses ruining my life.
If that's the case then why did you say "anyone trys to show toba or toaa true form they head will blow up and die?" Yes I did because omniscience is a part of omnipotence and if TOAA is not omniscient then how is he omnipotent?
Now please provide evidence that he is omnipotent please.
Just because he said he's "all powerful" doesn't automatically make him all powerful. Odin once said he was omnipotent so is he by your logic? And I love how you post a scan that proves he's not omniscient. So there either TOAA was lying or he wasn't Omniscient enough to know that he wasn't omniscient. Boom boom.
Now I have a question for you: is TOAA the writer? If so can you prove it?
Okay, if he's the writer then I consede that he's omnipotent but then if he was the writer then why isn't he omniscient?
Neither of them win
Presence is more powerful than toaa
I would vote One-Above-All
This answers this question
But you can't prove there is a weapon can injure TOAA
İ can regulator is above him
Fight difficulty (very hard)
Presence is equal to The HOTU
OAA is slightly inferior to The Over Monitor.
Presence is just shy of nigh-omnipotence
OAA is shy of omnipotence