The One-Above-AllvsThe Presence

Neutral Damn ill change my vote again

Neutral Exactly, that’s why their power level is both 46,772,920,194,492 (click arrow right below profile picture and below stats it shows their true number) So yeah they’re not infinity in power, so you’re right both aren’t Omnipotent

The One-Above-All Rage quit would be retcon multiverse

The One-Above-All The One-Above-all won against the presence in this game. completely Smashes the dream solo marvel of @Atemporal.

The One-Above-All TOAA looks like a chad gamer, so I'll go with him 😂😂

The One-Above-All lucifer be like: are ya winning dad

The One-Above-All Do not touch, gaming PC of the Presence and TOAA They control their multiverse with it.

The Presence Nope

The Presence @God_of_Humanity, look at his name for once...His name is @TheOne_Above_All, this marvel fan clearly loves TOAA so much he named his own profile after TOAA along with a photo of him lol. Seriously, what is with Marvel fans? So many people like Marvel now it is absolutely overrated.

The Presence Exactly

The One-Above-All @theone_above no such thing as omnipotence
Omnipotence contradicts itself

The Presence Absolutely not. They are both omnipotent
So they're equal

Neutral "a little omnipotent"?
you cant just be a little omnipotent... you either are or you arent

The Presence Absolutely wron bud

Neutral What was I talking about they stalemate 😂

not voted No its not TOBA is god of hell and TOAA is god of all and represents stan lee the writers can make powerful characters and even erase them

Neutral @Eraser_on_a_pencil TOBA and TOAA both represent the writer

Neutral They wouldn't fight because there is no need

The Presence You don't need to be Omnipotent to rape TOAA, Thanos already did.
Get your fucking alt out of here, Retarganic.

The Presence is the same shit, Autistic Marveltard

Neutral Relax bro, not to mention that was an avatar of TOAA aka OAA which not only is significantly weaker than actual TOAA, but that comic you speak of is pretty much discredited in the comic scaling community as it was the creator of Thanos and he loves to dick ride his character.

The Presence Name them.

The One-Above-All Pre recton beyonder
Multi oblivion
Multi eternity
True living trabunal
House of ideas vision
House of ideas nyx
Now.
Then
Gwenpool
Gutter space doom
Divine creator
Man thing power of divine creator
One below all
Cosmic immortal hulk etc

And I'm telling about DC the presence don't include vertigo I know vertigo the presence is omnipotent and equal one above all and the beyonder

The Presence Vertigo and DC are the same, they merged and everything is canon in DC
I only read 14 and where are the 100? (Neither can, but I'd like to meet those characters.)

The One-Above-All No vertigo and dc both deferens and vertigo is part of DC but this time vertigo is rectoned like beyonder and the presence is not omnipotent being and DC like utu Los overvoid the writer etc can one shot the presence

The Presence And you do realize that was all in Vertigo, correct? There's a difference between the main DCU and Vertigo. Vertigo is like another version of DC. Vertigo is not cannon at all to the main DCU. In the main DCU, they call God The Presence, but in Vertigo, God is referred to as Yahweh. So you have it all wrong.

Neutral And toaa was beaten by thanos

The One-Above-All First of All he wasn't Evil that was only a aspect of presence second that wasn't TOAA it was an avatar named above all others

Neutral At least The Presence know the story about the Monkey King Sun Wukong from Chinese mythology Journey To The West

Neutral XD.

Neutral

Neutral If you speaking about real life God that created entire universes than real life God would win the writers represent the humans race(mortal being )

Neutral What?

The Presence It's not even a balanced battle, a lot of characters would clap TOAA, The Writer is part of The Presence.

TOAA is referred to as a creator/editor/reader.

Retcon corp staff views it all as fiction.

The One-Above-All What’s the best?

The Presence TOAA's powers were duplicated by Protege so TOAA is not omnipotent. The Overvoid contains all fiction and that is only part of The Presence, so The Presence is omnipotent and would blinkstomp TOAA.

Neutral The presence is not omnipotent. He struggels with Lucifer.

The Presence If you read the comic then you know that it's just an Avatar from The Presence, you can't tell the difference between Avatar and True Form.

The Presence What feat has TOAA shown to be honest? TOAA hasn't shown any feats at all. The Presence, on the other hand, created the Omniverse just by simply breathing in and out in the void. This is The Presence's true form and nobody is equal to The Presence's true form. The Presence's true form is completely omnipotent and is far more powerful than TOAA. TOAA doesn't even have a true form like The Presence.



This also proves The Presence is one with the Overvoid so The Presence blink stomps Marvel and TOAA.

Neutral Really? That was only the avatar of the presence? I did not know thar

The One-Above-All Exactly people say it’s an avatar but it’s clearly not.

The Presence say that to akhil

The Presence @R165 u asked me about the proof so that's why i show this...this presence is his non
physical true form...again another proof
evil presence is not the presence himself the writer himself has stated about it...
look at this tweet https://twitter.com/_kingkai_/status/889221216405422082

The Presence Then what about these basic statements, let's explain how they differ?

The Presence nyx also said one above all others...this is the same being that got blasted by thanos...and this nyx (who is seen omnipotent in this site) got destroyed by all marvel heroes...she got laserbeamed by cyclops...i dont think there is true form toaa ...jack kirby version is same like DC version of writer (Grant Morrison)(marvel copied it in a better way)

The Presence That's what I want to know! There are so many Marvel Fanboys who say that TOAA is above DC and Multi-Eternity contains DC in it, these claims are very stupid to digest these days.

The Presence if i can post some pics i can show how bigger DC cosmology is...like there are so many things that i can show how powerful presence is...really this site need to change all stats

The Presence If you want to use a photo then click the Help icon in the comments column, it will help.

The One-Above-All thanos was an aspect of toaa:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-4e246a315575f5f2f7d51796c00fb761
he was below oblivion/the outside:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c9de2f012546324c397e1dcdd6fb7ccb
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e9e6ebf22d76113b29debf8064eddba2
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f25e353ec9170ae592326286c63d6b39
jim starlin aka an avatar of toaa view all the infinity ending storyline as mere fiction:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c37742bc5985a00665e1be8f567f2b1e
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0d7a8d2298b6cfea716647c0e231fd66
heck toaa is way beyond the outside/oblivion:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-67de87cbc5b8b71079726814245da3e5
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-74ddbb5a44a577c3875458b3e11f1250
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a0c88e3d7bb035aa6ab9120ffbf5a1af
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-acf3c77a6f5ee66c6c32bc2af38c3605
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0b0a41f5d5ed1128438dfcfc6c7a3660
and in the hoi it was true above all others aka the peak of toaa's avatars,not toaa,heck toaa exist even above the hoi:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-92b381720caf87f9d5791c6b1700b777
the hoi views oblivion as a mere piece of paper so clearily it wasn't toaa

The Presence bro if put more old comics to the post canon then i can put a lot of pics of presence powers stat and the writer...in the post canon the writer himself as stated that there are no aspect of toaa ...it is the same toaa that got scared and came from the outside ...and cannot stop him at all...why so much wank over toaa i dont even understand ...al ewing the writer himself stated it was the same toaa that got beat up by thanos...if the writer says so...then it is correct...house of ideas mentions the name the one above all others ...this is the same being got defeated by thanos...so stop wank...and give him 558 b

The Presence Can you open private chat in settings? I have something to talk about

The Presence @R165 yes i opened the private chat in settings

The Presence Can you post the power of The Presence as you promised?

The Presence How about the time where Protege duplicated TOAA's powers?

The One-Above-All duplication isn't the same as defeated unless he did which I'm not sure about

The Presence If TOAA’s powers are able to be duplicated by others, it means TOAA is just nigh-omnipotent. There is no possible way for someone to be that close to power with TOAA if TOAA is considered omnipotent. Omnipotent beings are unbeatable and the thing is if you have an equal then you are not omnipotent.

The One-Above-All How does that work though, you said UNBEATABLE when his powers were duplicated, and even if it meant that I'm pretty sure the database would scale him to nigh-omnipotent

The Presence You misinterpreted what I had just said. TOAA is nigh-omnipotent because there is absolutely no way of someone being that close to him in power. Protege managed to duplicate his powers so he was equal to TOAA. Here's the thing: if you have an equal, then you are not omnipotent, period. An omnipotent being is infinite with power and no one can come close to them in power. Protege managed to considering he is able to duplicate any type of power in the Marvel multiverse.

The One-Above-All Do.. Do you two actually believe Omnipotence exists in fiction... 🤦🏾‍♂️

Neutral I think fiction is the only place where omnipotence "exists".

The One-Above-All Omnipotence in itself cannot exist, it is logically impossible. I am a Christian but also a person of science. I do believe created the Heaven and Earth but through the means of the big bang, anyways, I'm not going to get into my beliefs. Long story short. I don't believe my God is truly Omnipotent. Just almighty and extremely powerful beyond our comprehension. Then again, you can't comprehend Omnipotence so God is probably Omnipotent and I'm going to hell for slandering him. Not good. XD

The Presence I don’t understand why so many of you say omnipotence can’t exist in fiction when it’s a regular and common theme in fictional universes. Omnipotence simply means being all powerful. It’s not that hard to understand.

The One-Above-All @Mr_Incognito "Omnipotence" can exist but it isn't true Omnipotence. Nigh-Omnipotence and Omnipotence is vague to be honest. Just like the words "God" and "Demon", nothing but titles thrown around. Sentry, Superman, Galactus, Odin, Darkseid etc have been stated to be Omnipotent.

The Presence Good statement, The Presence curbstomp all-verse in fiction.

The Presence Overvoid contains everything and that is only part of The Presence. Presence blinkstomps Marvel.

The One-Above-All That wasnt TOAA, that was the above all other, they are not the same thing. Above all others is way weaker then toaa. TOAA stomps

The Presence Nyx admits AAO and TOAA are the same. The Overvoid contains all fiction and that is only an aspect of The Presence. Presence blinkstomps.

The Presence @Eternity10 Sorry my friend but Al Ewing himself said that TOAA does not have (True Form) or an avatar and Nyx supports this claim by saying The One Above All-Other (TOAA).

The One-Above-All thanos was an aspect of toaa:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-4e246a315575f5f2f7d51796c00fb761
he was below oblivion/the outside:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c9de2f012546324c397e1dcdd6fb7ccb
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e9e6ebf22d76113b29debf8064eddba2
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f25e353ec9170ae592326286c63d6b39
jim starlin aka an avatar of toaa view all the infinity ending storyline as mere fiction:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c37742bc5985a00665e1be8f567f2b1e
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0d7a8d2298b6cfea716647c0e231fd66
heck toaa is way beyond the outside/oblivion:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-67de87cbc5b8b71079726814245da3e5
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-74ddbb5a44a577c3875458b3e11f1250
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a0c88e3d7bb035aa6ab9120ffbf5a1af
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-acf3c77a6f5ee66c6c32bc2af38c3605
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0b0a41f5d5ed1128438dfcfc6c7a3660
and in the hoi it was true above all others aka the peak of toaa's avatars,not toaa,heck toaa exist even above the hoi:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-92b381720caf87f9d5791c6b1700b777
the hoi views oblivion as a mere piece of paper so clearily it wasn't toaa

The Presence @Simeon2021c 1.) Enter your link between [img] [/ img] so I can see your scan.

2.) Al Ewing said that TOAA does not have True Form and Avatar.

3.) Pralaya which is a sea of ​​emptiness outside DC continuity is still an aspect of Overvoid.

4.) House of Ideas is Omniverse itself in the definition of Marvel and Overvoid has the same definition according to Grant Morrison.

5.) Read number 2, the TOAA you worship does not have a True Form.

Good ignorance. Try again you wanker.

The One-Above-All 1)copy and paste it,where's the problem,2)al ewing even said that his statements on twitter are meaningless
3)ok and with this? 4)nope lmao,oblivion is the canvas aka the outside
5)al ewing only said that they haven't true forms but they can have avatars and i debunked ur claim as well
good ignorance,try again dude who don't know the cosmology

The Presence @Simeon2021c 1.) Just put your link between [img] [/ img], I don't have time to copy the link.
2.) Good ignorance, Pralaya is a void beyond all continuity in Overvoid and she is a sea of ​​infinite nothingness
3.) LMAO, Pralaya is Oblivion itself
4.) Rita Farr when merged with Overvoid saw all the creatures in it as fiction, including Pralaya and The Leviathan of All-Stories
5.) So the statement about TOAA is the Author, Editor, and Reader itself is a lie, and the statement that TOAA is the House of Ideas itself is false because it was written on Twitter by the author.

The Presence 1. He is my friend and he is new. It may take time for him to learn this. So if you can't copy then it's your problem idc.
2. Infinite nothingness does not fulfills the demand for even 1b(Hyperversal).
3. Oblivion is the canvas (the outside) , , oblivion transcends multi eternity in an inaccesible amount. , and multi eternity is the omniverse , and marvel omniverse contains all other fictional verses including dc and real world , by this , oblivion aka the outside>>>multi eternity >>>dc by your overvoid scaling. Also overvoid is defenceless against sos , even sos literally broke overvoid , now don't even dare to say sos >>marvel lmfao. Sos is fodder for god tiers of marvel.
4. Lmfao. She just went beyond creation. Also by this pralaya is bounded by creation and oblivion is thousand times above that.
5. Lmfao. Even comic also says toaa represents all writers ,readers , artists . , , , even his avatars are stated to be author of all things , so since , al ewings statement matches with comics so his only this statement is right. But his statement that toaa has not true form is invalid becoz comics proves that he has true form.
6. I will not continue this debate here. Join the server and debate me over there.

The One-Above-All 1)i asked u to come on ds,one last time come or idc,2)u don't have time?i've sent the link,if u don't look at the scans it's not a problem of mine,u have time to link ur scans but not to look at mine?how hilarious
3)oblivion is the outside:
[img] https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-2eecfa9bf150042a19e8222b05a70123 [/ img]
which was implied several times to be the canvas

4)"So the statement about TOAA is the Author, Editor, and Reader itself is a lie, and the statement that TOAA is the House of Ideas itself is false because it was written on Twitter by the author." it isn't since it has been confirmed in comics as well,the hoi is a facet of toaa,even then confirmed it lmao

The Presence @Tahsin LMAO, your statement about Multi-Eternity is that Omniverse has been denied by Jessica and Akhil also disagrees and considers that the statement is different from the Marvel handbook.

What's in my scan is the avatar from Perpetua, it's out of continuity which makes it 1-A and that 1-B scaling makes no sense.

Pralaya (True Form) is a canvas beyond the continuity of creation by The Hands race so what makes it different from Oblivion?

The Superman stories is a very Special stories, and you've forgotten that the Hercules stories can rock the House of Ideas and hold it long enough for Vision to get in.

Likewise, Al Ewing's statement was supported by Nyx herself.

I don't care if TOAA is the embodiment of the Company, The Presence is a direct representation of God in the real world, abrahamic religion so he can blink a company easily.

You told your friends to attack me? it is not funny.

The Presence 1. Idc about anyone.
2. I am 1000000% sure you don't know anything about dimensional scaling. Do you? 1A is outerversal and requirements of 1A is this "Characters who functionally transcend the rest of the Tiering System, and stand outside of any extensions of infinite hierarchies and sizes, to varying degrees and magnitudes. In more straightforward terms, this category could be said to be occupied by characters whose size and/or level of power cannot be reached by merely stacking bigger infinities on top of each other."- and pralaya even in her true form does not fulfills the demand of it. Pralaya at it's true form is at best high 1b.
3. Pralaya is not the canvas lmao. It is fodder for multi eternity. oblivion is above overvoid tiers.
4. I never told him to attack you. He just saw your statements and that's why joined the site. Also what you and your friend lazada attacking me??

The Presence @R165 Join the server and debate me over there https://discord.gg/MFa7jEjW , don't reply here anymore.

The Presence @Tahsin LMAO, Avatar Pralaya absorbs millions of creations created by The Hands race and each of these creations is 1-B which is as big as DC of main continuity.




I'm sure you also told @CosmicKingThor and @Simeon2021c to attack me and I'll join in later.

The Presence 1. Lmao creation in dc is at best high 1c not 1b lmao. You need to prove how creation on dc is 1b. Btw, even avatar eternity high 1A. So i guess no need of multi eternity. Avatar eternity solos lmao.
2. I never told anyone to attack you. Ask @Simeon2021c

The Presence @Tahsin Eternity is not 1-A you need to prove that

The Presence I will talk about universal eternity which contains a universe.
1.Cosmic Cubes gave Thanos Godhood (defined as Dominion over all planes of Reality)


Kubik can control all of Reality and Existence (Which itself is Transfinite Number of Layers)
,



There are Infinite number of Transfinite levels of Infinity within a single Eternity.
,

Where Celestials are many Cardinals above Cosmic Cubes.


Kosmos and Kubik think of Celestials as merely parts of a game that Eternity plays


Scan saying that Universal Eternity is Far Transfinite over his M-bodies


Universal Eternities are merely cells compared to True Multi Eternity.
So with this even universal eternity is high outerversal (high 1A) not just 1A.

The Presence I'm tired of debate with a fool like you, one universe in DC can easily be 1-A because each universe contains 2 Source Walls that can enclose creatures like Perpetua and the Gods (True Form) and Perpetua created DC cosmology 1 -A.

The Presence Yeah coming from a guy who did not proved a single think. Dc only reaches 1A after godsphere. Btw, you still did not joined the discord server lol.

The Presence You’re one of the most annoying people I’ve ever come across.

The Presence @Mr_Incognito What is wrong with you? 🧚‍♀

The Presence I’m talking about Tahsin, not you.

The Presence @Tahsin Join what? Join your server just to argue? No one is going to join your server because arguing all day is something no one wants to do.

The Presence @Mr_Incognito Now this is more than enough. Can you tell exactly what is your problem if i debate or give my opinion here. The debate was mine and r165's. If you really hate me that much then why don't you stop talking with me? Even i left the site for sometime yet it still pisses you off. I can not do anything over that. Even this time i did not sweared anyone. It is your problem.

@EnDico Correction: This is my friend's server. I don't have any server. Btw, i told to join bc i don't remain active that much in the site . Btw, who is talking with you? Why are you interfering??

The Presence You insult people, call characters fodder, and overall just act really immature. That annoys me.

The Presence @Mr_Incognito Ok sorry for that. But when did i told that now? 😑

Neutral @R165 how did you create this post with pictures?? Do you copying this from somewhere??

The Presence according to GM's statement, Overvoid one aspect of The Presence includes Marvel Omniverse so The Presence could easily blink TOAA.

The One-Above-All @Lazada Ok i am convinced immediately

The One-Above-All @ArdaX000991 That's false. Grant Morrison doesn't have authority over Marvel. By those same standards, Marvel has shown characters reading DC comics. That doesn't mean Daredevil of all people views the Presence as fictional.

The One-Above-All @AkhilPDX Ok,

The Presence external force is the true form of The Presence and what you mean is the avatar, don't equate The Presence with animal feed.

The Presence Are you kidding? Thanos absorbs TOAA and Jim never said that his avatar also Nyx has the same statement that TOAA and AAO are the same.

Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens

The Presence Yeah good ignorance. Mystery itself is the page where toaa writes stories , it is a place and beyond farshore , also can't you stop talking dumb things. I destroyed you so badly that you did not even replied to my thread. Stop being biased towards presence.

The Presence Also toaa does not said there is a mystery to toaa. Mystery in marvel is actually a place and by above scans proves it . Stop talking about marvel when you don't know a shit about it.

The Presence Don't use Scan Jack Kirby, he has his own profile and Jack Kirby is different from that fodder.

The Presence @Tahsin That Jack Kirby lol

The Presence Nobody is going to agree with you so knock it off. When TOAA says, "The mystery intrigues me," it means there is a mystery that interests TOAA so he isn't omniscient. You think I worship DC a little to much? Look at yourself for once, you worship and treat TOAA as if he is above omnipotence like he can solo anyone in any comic book but TOAA is the dumbest most pathetic fodder I have ever seen in my life. Regulator Thanos stomped TOAA and Protege stomped TOAA.


Jack Kirby has his own separate profile and has nothing to do with TOAA. TOAA is at best equal to The Source in DC. The Source is the source of all existence in DC making The Source the Omniverse itself, which completely matches TOAA except TOAA is only Multiversal.


The Source and TOAA are both a massive beam of energy so they are equal but TOAA is only Multiversal while The Source is Omniversal. The Source is the Omniverse itself while TOAA is the multiverse itself. Also, TOAA admits it isn't true omnipotent.

TOAA is not the true god of Marvel. In fact, there are no omnipotent beings in Marvel as of right now. The only omnipotent being in Marvel is Jack Kirby since he made his own appearance in Marvel. Other than that, there are no omnipotent beings in Marvel.

The Presence @Galactus @Ezio sees debate between him and R165 in Akhil comments column, Tahsin always uses Toxic words like Bitch, Fuck, Shit, Stupid, and Idiot. You have to mute him too to be fair!

The Presence @Lazada I agree with you. @Galactus @Ezio please mute @Tahsin the dude is constantly following me and is always arguing with everything I say on this website. It is beginning to frustrate me so please mute him or something because he is just a toxic user.

The Presence @Lazada Sure you should at least read my comment before making fake allegiation on me . I never used b*** or f****. I think you are onto something lol.
@EnDico Follow? I have no reason for following you. I just saw you telling same things again so i just ce to defend toaa here.
1. "Nobody is going to agree with you so knock it off. When TOAA says, "The mystery intrigues me," it means there is a mystery that interests TOAA so he isn't omniscient. You think I worship DC a little to much? Look at yourself for once, you worship and treat TOAA as if he is above omnipotence like he can solo anyone in any comic book but TOAA is the dumbest most pathetic fodder I have ever seen in my life. Regulator Thanos stomped TOAA and Protege stomped TOAA. "- Again is it your hobby to bring up same scans again and again. First, mystery is a place in marvel , it is the next place in marvel beyond the farshore , so your entire point is wrong. Again scathan the approver destroyed protege , and toaa>>>scathan the approver. Again that was an avatar of toaa. True toaa embodies every single real world author , writer , reader( meaning every single writer are his aspects ) , so protege just copied an weakened avatar of toaa. About regulator thanos then the above all others that got defeated was within deep space , and true above all others(one above all others) exists within hoi , so that above all others was basically an m body's m body. True one above all >>>true above all others >>>above all others . Again infinity conflict is non canon , again that jack kirby and toaa are same. Jack kirby said , "the mystery intrigues me" meaning mystery worships him , and mystery worships toaa. Toaa also said the same sentence ,"the mystery intrigues me" , so again that was toaa and you can not ignore that. Also it proves toaa is omniscient.

The Presence @EnDico 2. "TOAA is at best equal to The Source in DC. The Source is the source of all existence in DC making The Source the Omniverse itself, which completely matches TOAA except TOAA is only Multiversal. "- ok now we have our source😂😂😂 who is so strong that he got bodied by skyfather's , , also source is featless. I have doubts that is it really above marvel's odin😂😂😂.
3. "The Source and TOAA are both a massive beam of energy so they are equal but TOAA is only Multiversal while The Source is Omniversal. The Source is the Omniverse itself while TOAA is the multiverse itself. Also, TOAA admits it isn't true omnipotent."- This is infinity conflict which is not canon , so toaa is true omnipotent.
4. "TOAA is not the true god of Marvel. In fact, there are no omnipotent beings in Marvel as of right now. The only omnipotent being in Marvel is Jack Kirby since he made his own appearance in Marvel. Other than that, there are no omnipotent beings in Marvel."-All of your scans have been debunked. You should stop being ironic here. Toaa is omnipotent. You never proved why he is not omnipotent. So stop voting presence. This is actually fanboyism

The Presence @EnDico Tbh i had no intention on bringing my presence debunks again. But it looks like you left me no choice. So be it.
1. Presence is shaped by some external forces , and those external forces are human's dream confirmed by mike carey and in sandman issue 18. , , , , this is supported when morpheus said all gods begin from his realm https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5877888-sandman%2030%20gods%20are%20born%20and%20die%20in%20his%20realm.jpg , so presemce is atbest collective unconsiousness tier in marvel and that means he is at best equal to gods like thor , odin etc. , , , , again if you bring the scan of presence holding a brush then let me remind you even gwenpool has better feats then this , , , Again sea of brahma is beyond presence where even lucifer can go , and even blight is above presence , even ellaine belloc can hide things from presence , so yeah best of luck proving presence

The Presence And you do realize that all of your claims were all from Sandman comics, right? Vertigo is non-canon to DC so it doesn't apply to the main DCU at all. There are 2 versions of The Presence: Vertigo and the main DCU. In Vertigo, The Presence is treated much differently. The Presence is one with the Overvoid which he admits in the Buddha story. The Buddha (Presence) and Lucifer (Monkey King), here the Monkey King claims he can jump to the Overvoid from Creation in just 1 jump. However, when the Monkey King thinks he beats the Buddha, The Buddha shows his hand and it's the sign that the Monkey King had drawn in the Overvoid so The Presence is one with the Overvoid. So, no matter how many times Lucifer escapes The Prsence's plan, The Presence will always be there and is therefore one with the Overvoid. No escape.



And that isn't the only proof The Presence is one with the Overvoid. One of the writers of Vertigo even admits the Overvoid is only a mere aspect of The Presence.

In Vertigo, The Presence admits that it is a product of outside forces, but this is a reference to the writers of Vertigo but also a reference to the minds and imaginations of humanity. Now, let's switch to the main DCU. The Presence is Grant Morrison (DC writer) since The Presence was caught holding a paint brush in one of the Animal Man series. We all know The Presence is the Abrahamic God in both Vertigo and DCU.



And when Spectre merges with the void beyond all voids, it admits The Presence surpasses everyone and everything in creation. And this the void beyond all voids, FYI.

And by the way, the picture you posted that TOAA admits he sees everything, the mystery intrigues him etc, just realize that claims are NOT facts. TOAA is the most featless character in Marvel so there is absolutely no proof of him being the writer or anything. TOAA's name was never mentioned during the Jack Kirby scene so he isn't the writer. Jack Kirby has his own separate profile. That's why TOAA is at best equal to The Source since The Source is the source of all existence in the DC Omniverse and TOAA is the source of all existence in the Marvel Multiverse. Since The Presence is proved to be Grant Morrison, this means one thing: Writer=True Omnipotence.

The Presence I'll argue some more if that is what you want. In Vertigo, you know how The Presence was killed by archangel Gabriel? Lucifer admits this was a trick all along.

And Lucifer himself even admits The Presence is true omnipotent in Vertigo.

And also, The Dark Presence is not one with the true Presence. Lucifer supports this claim as well. Lucifer states that this isn't his father (Presence) and he knows it. Dark Presence and True Presence aren't the same and never were.

Now, The Presence and GEB aren't equal in power. It is The Presence who is more powerful. The reason why I say this is because when The Presence and GEB merged, GEB was never seen again and that proves The Presence absorbed it considering The Presence is infinite and eternal while GEB is not.

And finally, The Presence shocked the Overvoid when the Overvoid figures out that The Presence's creation had actually existed and began studying it. This proves the Overvoid is only nigh-omniscient. The Presence is omniscient because when it admits it is shaped by outside forces, it is aware of the writers of Vertigo and only an omniscient being is aware of that.

The Presence And no, The Presence is not equal to the gods of DC. The Presence is THE God of DC who sits above all other gods. The Presence is everywhere but also nowhere at once. Even as the form of a dog, no one could handle the energy of The Presence. This is the main DCU we are talking about, not the Sandman/Vertigo comics.


The Presence speaks through every being and everything in creation.

Spectre even admits The Presence sits above all others.

The Presence created the DC multiverse just by using it's hand.

The Presence became aware of itself even when it was unconscious in it's true form (Divine Presence). The Presence actually created itself in it's true form.

What more can I say? The Presence is omnipotent. It is God with a capital G. TOAA hasn't shown ANY of these feats at all while The Presence actually did to prove us that it is God of the entire DC Omniverse.

The One-Above-All @EnDico which issue is this from??

The Presence @EnDico 1. "And you do realize that all of your claims were all from Sandman comics, right? Vertigo is non-canon to DC so it doesn't apply to the main DCU at all. There are 2 versions of The Presence: Vertigo and the main DCU. In Vertigo, The Presence is treated much differently. The Presence is one with the Overvoid which he admits in the Buddha story. The Buddha (Presence) and Lucifer (Monkey King), here the Monkey King claims he can jump to the Overvoid from Creation in just 1 jump. However, when the Monkey King thinks he beats the Buddha, The Buddha shows his hand and it's the sign that the Monkey King had drawn in the Overvoid so The Presence is one with the Overvoid. So, no matter how many times Lucifer escapes The Prsence's plan, The Presence will always be there and is therefore one with the Overvoid. No escape."- What??? Vertigo is canon to dc https://drive.google.com/file/d/167lyCBhPgfEHRqrazqnJN7f1t8Ydq88B/view?usp=drivesdk , so yeah vertigo is canon and presence has only 1 version. Also do you realize tgat your scans related to buddha is from lucifer 2000 series which is published by vertigo https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Lucifer-2000/Issue-75?id=23753 , so again you said vertigo is non canon. So i guess presence himself is non canon lmfao😂😂😂. You should at least read comics before coming to any debate. Again let's see your scans. You realize that the buddha and monkey king related scans were only a story narrating by presence , btw , how the buddha from the story is presence and monkey king is lucifer ? In the scans no where it says that monkey king is lucifer and buddha is presence. It is your own believe without prove whom idc. For the fact, in the same run , when the story about buddha was over lucifer legit goes putside presence's plan and denyies him , so your scans are invalid. Also where did you find overvoid?? Monkey king only went at the edge of creation not overvoid. Overvoid is where presence is born and presence is bounded by it , so i don't know how you found overvoid here.
2. "And that isn't the only proof The Presence is one with the Overvoid. One of the writers of Vertigo even admits the Overvoid is only a mere aspect of The Presence."- Yeah sure JM de matteis is marvel writer. His 90% comics are of marvel . He don't know anything about dc.
3. "In Vertigo, The Presence admits that it is a product of outside forces, but this is a reference to the writers of Vertigo but also a reference to the minds and imaginations of humanity. Now, let's switch to the main DCU. The Presence is Grant Morrison (DC writer) since The Presence was caught holding a paint brush in one of the Animal Man series. We all know The Presence is the Abrahamic God in both Vertigo and DCU."-Writer ??? Lmao.The external forces that shaped presence was the collective unconsiousness of humans , and about presence holding a brush then even gwenpool is better than that ,
3. "And when Spectre merges with the void beyond all voids, it admits The Presence surpasses everyone and everything in creation. And this the void beyond all voids, FYI."-This is not even hyperversal lmao.
4. "And by the way, the picture you posted that TOAA admits he sees everything, the mystery intrigues him etc, just realize that claims are NOT facts. TOAA is the most featless character in Marvel so there is absolutely no proof of him being the writer or anything. TOAA's name was never mentioned during the Jack Kirby scene so he isn't the writer. Jack Kirby has his own separate profile. That's why TOAA is at best equal to The Source since The Source is the source of all existence in the DC Omniverse and TOAA is the source of all existence in the Marvel Multiverse. Since The Presence is proved to be Grant Morrison, this means one thing: Writer=True Omnipotence."- Lol. Can you stop spamming the same words again. Also my claims are facts. You did not posted a single scan to debunk me. Lmao. Also toaa embodies every writer/reader /creator , also jack kirby was toaa. He legit said ,"the mystery intrigues(worship) me." And the mystery intrigues toaa , , also toaa has many feats. Only you are the man who don't know a single thing about toaa. Lmao. Stop wanking presence. Again what about presence. All of his feats are debunked. Also source got defeated by skyfathers. He is not the omniverse. So lol at your logic.

The Presence 5." I'll argue some more if that is what you want. In Vertigo, you know how The Presence was killed by archangel Gabriel? Lucifer admits this was a trick all along."-Lol. I never brought the argument of archangel killing gabriel lol.
6. "And Lucifer himself even admits The Presence is true omnipotent in Vertigo."- Yeah by statements odin is omnipotent . , again lucifer himself debunks that later. ,
7. "And also, The Dark Presence is not one with the true Presence. Lucifer supports this claim as well. Lucifer states that this isn't his father (Presence) and he knows it. Dark Presence and True Presence aren't the same and never were."-I never brought dark presence argument lol.
8. "Now, The Presence and GEB aren't equal in power. It is The Presence who is more powerful. The reason why I say this is because when The Presence and GEB merged, GEB was never seen again and that proves The Presence absorbed it considering The Presence is infinite and eternal while GEB is not." - This is irrelevant and does not debunks any of my presence debunks. I never claimed geb is equal to presence.
9. "And finally, The Presence shocked the Overvoid when the Overvoid figures out that The Presence's creation had actually existed and began studying it. This proves the Overvoid is only nigh-omniscient. The Presence is omniscient because when it admits it is shaped by outside forces, it is aware of the writers of Vertigo and only an omniscient being is aware of that." Presence never shocked overvoid. Infact, presence is born from overvoid. Overvoid existed before creation and my above scans prove that.

The Presence 10."And no, The Presence is not equal to the gods of DC. The Presence is THE God of DC who sits above all other gods. The Presence is everywhere but also nowhere at once. Even as the form of a dog, no one could handle the energy of The Presence. This is the main DCU we are talking about, not the Sandman/Vertigo comics" - this is not even hyperversal.
11. "The Presence speaks through every being and everything in creation."- Not impressive.
12. "Spectre even admits The Presence sits above all others"-This is fodder to living tribunal.
13. "The Presence created the DC multiverse just by using it's hand."-This is empty hand not presence .
14. "The Presence became aware of itself even when it was unconscious in it's true form (Divine Presence). The Presence actually created itself in it's true form."- no he was created from overvoid.
15. "What more can I say? The Presence is omnipotent. It is God with a capital G. TOAA hasn't shown ANY of these feats at all while The Presence actually did to prove us that it is God of the entire DC Omniverse."-lmao toaa created marvel omniverse , and marvel omniverse contains every fictional verses including dc , so toaa stomps dc any time lmao. Agsin all the thing you have said about presence are fodder to marvel's superflow tier lmao.

The Presence @Tahsin It's sad to see your arguments that always compare Gwenpool and Odin, that's why I'm forced to use this statement to stop your Wanker and Bullshit about TOAA.

Those of you who always believe in writers' statements should read this! Al Ewing said that TOAA does not have a True Form, so it is clear that TOAA and OAA are the same and not at all different from what you worship.


And Nyx at the House of Ideas supports that claim.


TOAA (The One Above All-Other) says he is not Omnipotent.




Thanos killed The One Above All-Other with ease, it's a shame how the TOAA you worship was easily defeated by Thanos with Tools.






I don't want to be Toxic but guys like you only make looks bad Marvel fans by making stupid arguments like that.
The Presence >>> Thanos (Astral Regulator) >>> The One Above All-Other (TOAA)

The Presence @Tahsin Obviously you have no knowledge of DC, How the heck The Presence was born in DC continuity but according to the author's statement, Overvoid is part of The Presence ... This explains that The Presence which always appears in Vertigo and DC is just an avatar of Divine Presence.


And here's the statement from the panel that The Presence has Overvoid in it, so stop looking stupid like that!




Also let me show Morrison's claim that The Source and Overvoid are the same.




And this is what is on the panel.


And Dream's statement in the Death Metal event only talks about the gods! Not The Presence, look at this scan! Dream says that The Presence is God who created DC


Overvoid contains the Marvel Multiverse and not the Omniverse! Because according to the definition Marvel Omniverse and Overvoid are the same and the Marvel Omniverse I mean is the House of Ideas.






The Presence didn't create DC? This is the reason that you don't know anything about DC! Perpetua with a bit of power from The Source was able to create DC continuity that shocked Overvoid.








And let me show you that The Source is only the power of The Presence.


So the conclusion is Divine Presence is above The Source and Overvoid which is the same as the House of Ideas and TOAA is just the embodiment of the House of Ideas itself and The Presence will blinks all the verses in fiction easily.

The Presence @R165 You know this is not a debate between me and you. https://discord.gg/MFa7jEjW , join the server and debate me over there. My name is "Eos Aizen". I will not debate in this site because i am already involved in many debates here. So either join the server or shut up.

The Presence @Tahsin LMAO, I have deleted Discord since 2 months ago, I will download again just for you.

The Presence I can already imagine what @Tahsin would sound like on discord, lmao.

The Presence Looking at @Tahsin's grammar, punctuation, sentences, and the words chosen, it reminds me of a toddler.

Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens

The Presence @SuperSomebody external force is the true form of The Presence and what you mean is the avatar, don't equate The Presence with animal feed.

Neutral True.

The One-Above-All I have to disagree with you
Because thanos absorb the power of the one-above-all avatar
This is the avatar of One-Above-All
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/f/fc/Above_All_Others.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/450?cb=20181217054345
and this is the real One-Above-All
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/omniversal-battlefield/images/d/d8/The_One_Above_All.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190723213227


The-One-Above-All >>>The presence >>>Thanos Regulator >>> Above ALL Others
>>>Living Tribunal

The Presence It still doesn't change the fact that TOAA was STILL defeated. TOAA admits it is not true omnipotent.

Also, when TOAA said, "The mystery intrigues me," that means TOAA has a mystery to it and omniscient beings just don't have any mysteries to them so TOAA is nigh-omniscient. So, it should be more like:
The Presence>>>Thanos Regulator>>>TOAA>>>Living Tribunal.

Neutral @ET9 You think that Thanos (astral regulator) has defeated the One-above- all, this does not mean that he will lose 100% against the presence.

Neutral God himself

The Presence

The Presence shocked the Overvoid when the Overvoid figured out The Presence's creation actually existed even though it actually has for as long as 20 billion years. The Overvoid is only nigh-omniscient/nigh-omnipotent but even then it still flicks TOAA because TOAA was absorbed by Thanos along with a regulator. Presence blinkstomps TOAA.

Neutral Agreed

Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens

The One-Above-All Wrong it will be a close battle.

The Presence No toaa slaps in 0.0000000000000001 seconds.

Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens

The One-Above-All @Tahsin just stop.

Neutral Proof?
The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens

Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens

The Presence That was in Vertigo which is non-cannon to DC. Much like infinity conflict in Marvel, it doesn’t apply to DC at all.

The One-Above-All TOAA is omnipotent so he wins

The Presence



The Presence is Grant Morrison who is a DC writer so The Presence is omnipotent.

Neutral So does The Presence...

The Presence then why did AR thanos beat him?

The One-Above-All @hbn That was The Above-All-Others.

The Presence What's the difference?

The Presence @HolyJoe they are the same thing

The One-Above-All They are not.

The Presence Actually he is. I get that people must think he isn't omnipotent since in Vertigo he stalemated the GEB, he admitted he was shaped by external forces, he was once killed by the archangel Gabriel, and that Lucifer managed to evade his plans, but here's the thing: Vertigo is non-cannon to DC. All of that happened in Vertigo and know the fact that Vertigo is discontinued. In the main DC Omniverse, The Presence is portrayed as the writer by Grant Morrison in one of the Animal Man series and is completely omnipotent. Now, TOAA isn't the writer and I know this for a fact. Remember when you see Jack Kirby? That wasn't TOAA because his name was never mentioned ONCE during that scene or comic, ever. Much like Animal Man ran into Grant Morrison, they all ran into Jack Kirby and he has absolutely nothing to do with TOAA. It is suggested that is TOAA, but his name was never mentioned which means TOAA isn't the writer. Protege managed to duplicate TOAA's powers and Eternity states that Protege has the ability to become omnipotent and that actually happened once just like he duplicated TOAA's powers. In DC, The Presence was holding a paint brush in Heaven which means he is the writer. So Presence>TOAA

The Presence TOAA isn't omnipotent either

Neutral in marvel

The Presence only in the marvel multiverse

The Presence In Marvel? Yes. In DC? No.

The Presence really? most people are picking TOAA just because of his name.

The Presence Are you surprised? Marvel is overrated by the word itself. Maybe that explains why people are picking TOAA.

The Presence There is no solid argument for either

The One-Above-All If you think that vote neutral

The Presence LMAO

The Presence writers of vertigo said that Lucifer is above the writers them selves and the presence is much much more than Lucifer , one-above-all=writers

The One-Above-All One Above All = Stan Lee Stan Lee >>>than any writer

The Presence @Gogeta2 Your only saying that TOAA would win just because of his name. TOAA isn't the writer either because his name was never mentioned during the Jack Kirby scene.

Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens

Neutral how are they unimpressive?

The One-Above-All Yeah Tori-bot isn’t even omnipotent he’s more like a gag character

Neutral But I heard ToriBot is the representation of Akira Toriyama(creator and the Mangaka of Dragon Ball franchises)
The Presence is the representation of Grant Morrison(DC writers,...)
The One Above All is the representation of Stan Lee,Jack Kirby,Steve Dikto(Marvel writers and creator,...)

The Presence Here’s the thing about The One Above All. We really don’t know anything about him. He’s had a few mentions where the Living Tribunal has said he’s the only person he answers to. And we’ve had a couple of appearances where it’s been attributed to him.

For example, the Fantastic Four once visited “Heaven” and saw someone there that looked like Jack Kirby. This person demonstrated a control over reality by using an eraser to start erasing Reed’s face. No where is “The One Above All” mentioned. Nor does it explicitly state that he is “God”. It’s very highly suggested that he is God, but not necessarily the One Above All.

The next biggest appearance we have is what you have pictured. That was in a Spider-Man comic. Spider-Man was doubting his worth and whether everything he did was worth it. So this homeless guy who seemed to know everything takes a walk with Peter. Again, The One Above All isn’t mentioned. Nor is “God”. Just, again, highly suggested that it’s “God”.

Now, since we know that there is a “One Above All” and we know that he is the singular most powerful entity in Marvel. It is easy to make the leap that any reference to “God” is a reference to the One Above All. This may or may not be the case. Both of those appearances are solo. They exist in and of themselves without really being connected to anything else. No references or connections at all.

So no, he’s not Stan Lee or even Jack Kirby. He just isn’t.

The Presence what an omniponent charecter toaa is

The Presence TOAA, "I am the one above all others as I am above omnipotence."

Presence holds up a regulator at TOAA and states, "You can say that again. Resistance is futile."

TOAA, "NO!!!."

Marvel fans still believe TOAA wins even after defeat only because Marvel is overrated. Marvel children in a nutshell.

Just like Ron White said, “You can’t fix stupid.”

The Presence Agreed..but why does the presence show nigh-ominpotent??he should have omnipotent powers,that's his powers

The Presence Vertigo isn't cannon to the main DCU. Even Wikipedia states it. So basically how everyone thought The Presence was killed by Gabriel, and how he stalemated GEB, and how he passed his powers down to Elaine, all of that isn't cannon to the main DCU. It doesn't even affect the main DCU at all just like it stated in Wikipedia. Vertigo is discontinued as well. Much like the Infinity Conflict that showed TOAA isn't omnipotent, that wasn't cannon either. If we compare both Vertigo and Infinity Conflict, still The Presence > TOAA because if you were listening to The Presence talking to Lucifer about the Buddha story, it proves he is one with the Overvoid and you just can't top someone or something that is one with a place or area that is unable to exist. What I'm saying is The Presence's tier is greater than TOAA. Now if we both include the cannon stories DC and Marvel, The Presence is still greater by just one reason: Protege duplicated TOAA's powers proving to us TOAA just isn't omnipotent. Second of all, when you see Jack Kirby, never was TOAA's name mentioned, ever. So, no TOAA isn't the writer. Now in DC, you see The Presence in Heaven holding a paint brush in one of the Animal Man series, so The Presence is Grant Morrison who is a DC writer. Therefore, I think that is what says it all right there that The Presence's tier is by far greater than TOAA.

The One-Above-All Presence is not omnipotent

The Presence Nor is TOAA, so...

The One-Above-All Still Toaa > Presence

The Presence Hmmm...
I think it should be more like: Presence>GEB>Michael=Lucifer=Gabriel=Elaine>TOAA

The Presence @Monster neither TOAA is.

The Presence ^^

The Presence @MoNsTeR TOAA even admitted he isn’t omnipotent, so...

The Presence The Presence too.

The Presence Mike Carey already mentioned that was a reference to the writers so really it doesn’t count. The Presence is more omnipotent than TOAA.

The Presence @EnDico Presence also.

The Presence Neyther one nor other are omnipotent.

The Presence @pedrofOMAIOR that's what I said.

The Presence Nice joke

The Presence ok downplayer

The Presence The One Above All sure does have infinite power...In a stable multiverse.

The One Above All, however, loses his powers when a regulator is out of place. Sorry, but regulators are what grant him his omnipotence or should I say, "Nigh-Omnipotence".

Regulator>TOAA

However, The Presence literally held everything in his hand. Everything. The whole Omniverse and all of infinite realities. The Presence is high outerversal and created the Omniverse, and TOAA is the multiverse itself when regulators are on a higher scale proven.



Presence>>>Regulator>>>TOAA

Presence murderstomps TOAA.

The Presence tell that to AR thanos

The Presence Mike Carey already mentioned that The Presence was only breaking the fourth wall which is a reference to the writers. Plus, that makes The Presence even more omnipotent since The Presence is aware of who is writing him even as the supreme creator of the DC Omniverse and beyond. Grant Morrison, however, claimed that The Overvoid and God are the same so you may consider The Presence as the writer. But either way, he/she is way more omnipotent than TOAA.

FYI, if you really want some proof that TOAA is only nigh-omnipotent, read the infinity conflict.

The One-Above-All @endico dude you haven’t kept up with marvel. Have you? Starlin was fired and infinity conflict has been made non-cannon

And not to mention that Presence got killed by rox ogama

The Presence You may want to think twice on what you just said. Lucifer already made it clear that it was only another setup by The Presence and his plan.



Referring to the Infinity Conflict, it still doesn't change the fact that TOAA was defeated. Did TOAA show any impressive feats? No, other than eating a burger with Peter Parker. Did The Presence show any impressive feats? The Presence held the entirety of creation (AKA Omniverse) in just one hand. So, your the one who is missing out right now on DC, not me. Did I not mention Protege also took TOAA's position at one point?



The Presence>>>Michael=Lucifer=Gabriel=Elaine>>>TOAA

TOAA should be renamed to TOAM (AKA, The One Above Most).

The One-Above-All Lmfao presence > michael = lucifer =gabriel=elaine>>> Toaa :D

The Presence If Michael, Lucifer, Gabriel, and Elaine all merged their powers, they would squash TOAA. But even then, they would still mean nothing to The Presence since he/she is their creator and granted them their powers so The Presence is far greater than TOAA just by default. So, The Presence murderstomps TOAA.

The One-Above-All @endico dude the presence was also killed by Rox Ogama



The dying god left your universe defenceless wounded.

And no Rox ogama isn’t referring to Darkseid as the radiant and spectre vanished it was stated that Radiant and Spectre won’t vanish until Yahweh perishes first



And the same rox ogama died to a few lanterns and supermen



Which makes presence even more fodder.

Toaa one-shots Miachel lucifer presence and elaine at the same time

The One-Above-All @endico and Protege claiming to be TOAA was just boasting as we see right next that Scathan disapproves of him and whoops him



And scathan is below TOAA

The One-Above-All @endico lucifer was also able to escape presence plan and Lucifer himself isn’t omnipotent which proves Presence isn’t all that powerful

The One-Above-All Lucifer also killed a corrupt presence which is supposedly as strong as him

The Presence Did Rox Ogama really kill The Presence? Of course he didn't. Rox Ogama was only setting the moment just to sound all tough and scary. There wasn't even a scene to prove that he wounded The Presence. It's impossible for Rox Ogama to accomplish this considering The Presence is an omnipotent being and is the only omnipotent being. Now, the corrupt Presence wasn't actually The Presence him/herself. That was GEB and The Presence already absorbed it by shaking it's hand. So, I do give you credit on this part. Lucifer does slap GEB, however, GEB still isn't supreme and was defeated already by The Presence. The Great Evil Beast was formed when God uttered the words "Let There Be Light" and came to embody all the darkness in creation as well as everything that opposed the light of the Presence. However, despite its immense power the Great Evil Beast was still a newborn entity and thus was easily defeated by the Presence and contained within its own realm.



When The Presence talked with Lucifer, "The Plan" that the presence is referring to is The Story and Events that would happen in the DC Universe. Predestination (A.K.A The Story) which what Lucifer was trying to escape since he rebelled. He tried to escape the already untouchable story and fate of the DC Universe. which the presence had already planned from the beginning. From The Crisis on infinite earths, and all events that ever happened had already been planned out by the presence. and the monitors are the ones who recorded it.



What The Presence is holding appears to be creation (AKA, DC Omniverse) The Presence held all creation in his hand, proving his superiority towards everything else in the DC Universe including the monitors "Diary Writing", and Lucifer who finally escaped The Presence's Plan (The Story) and now sitting with him "Outside of the DC Universe". Lucifer may have escaped creation itself and gone somewhere in the Overvoid, but note that The Overvoid and The Presence are actually related and are the same. The Presence is everywhere but also nowhere at once so no matter how many times Lucifer tries to escape The Presence, just realize The Presence is God and is omnipresent which means he is everywhere, everything, and nowhere at once.

The Presence Actually, there is 1 thing I forgot to mention. You know how you mentioned Lucifer thought he escaped The Presence's plan? Well, I have a way better explanation to that now. Mike Carey implied that the Presence is one with the Void through analogy of the Monkey King (Lucifer) and Buddha (the Presence), which Lucifer found in context "pretty offensive", as he stated, since the Monkey King challenged Buddha to jump in one leap from Creation to the outside (the Void). But once Buddha showed his hand, the Monkey King understood he lost as he saw his mark on Buddha hand that he left in the Void to prove he jumped to the Void in one leap. So understanding this in Lucifer context, it means that even though Lucifer believed that he could escaped his Father plan by creating his own Creation outside, in the Void, the Presence is there, one with the Void.

The Presence TOAA lost to AR thanos

Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens

The One-Above-All The one above all has infinite powers and the presence has limited and the one above all is omnipotent but the presence is nigh omnipotent.

The Presence TOAA does have infinite power in a Multiverse. The Presence has infinite power in an Omniverse. And also speaking that The Presence held everything in his hand (creation) and even that wasn't his most impressive feat. What has TOAA showed? Seriously, what feats has TOAA proved to us? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. The only feat he proved to us was eating a burger with Peter Parker but other than that, he doesn't not have infinite power nor is he an impressive God like The Presence. Did I mentioned that Protege took TOAA's position at one point? So, I know exactly why everyone is saying TOAA would win is because Marvel is just overrated. The reality of it is that The Presence would defeat TOAA by a long shot. It should be like this:

Presence>GEB>Elaine=Lucifer=Michael=Gabriel>Regulator>TOAA

Neutral Bruh

The One-Above-All TOAA represents all marvel creators

The Presence That's the exact same with The Presence. They are both Gods, but only one of them is stronger which of course is The Presence. What feats has TOAA accomplish? Nothing, other than eating a burger with Peter Parker. What feats has The Presence accomplish? The Presence held the whole omniverse (AKA creation) in just one hand so The Presence would defeat TOAA by a long shot.

The Presence TOAA is equal to The Source at best. Although, The Presence created The Source at the dawn of the DC Omniverse. Here's the thing: TOAA is not the writer. During the Jack Kirby scene the Fantastic Four ran into, TOAA's name was never mentioned once during that scene so TOAA is not the writer. TOAA and The Source are equal in power, one and the same.


It is the source of all that exists. Mostly associated with the New Gods, the Source was the supposed origin of the Godwave that is believed to have been responsible for creating and empowering the "Gods" of the DC Omniverse with their divine abilities. It also seems to be partially responsible for the ability of DC residents to develop super-powers, especially those which defy physics. Lying at the edge of the known universe in the Promethean Galaxy is the Source Wall, which protects the Source, and traps all those who attempt to pass beyond it. The Source specifically tasks Perpetua to create the multiverse that is contained in the DC Omniverse. The Source is the source of all existence in the DC Omniverse and that is essentially what TOAA is as well. The Source is the Omniverse itself, and TOAA is the Omniverse itself as well. They are equal in power, both one and the same. However, The Presence is far greater than The Source and there is a proof.

The Presence held the whole Omniverse within the palm of his hand which contains everyone and everything including The Source. Not only that, but when The Presence was the void itself, it became aware of itself and that is how it formed it's avatar. So, how did The Presence become aware of itself if it is the void? Because it is omnipotent.

Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens

The One-Above-All it was the true above all others lmao

The One-Above-All ironic coming from the person who deleted both his comments being one of the most toxic people I've ever met lmfao 😂😂

The One-Above-All Why do you always have to be a sore loser?

The Presence Lmao look at the mirror if you are searching for a loser.

The One-Above-All You just proved my point mate. You get all salty whenever you lose like you are now.

The Presence Im saying absolutely nothing,you are trying to provoke me as always,perhaps because there is no way you can win anything against me,just trying to trigger someone is easier,a.k.a the only thing you can do against me lmao.

The One-Above-All You start it. If you don't like being insulted don't do it yourself. SHDB is about respectful debates not whining and attacking those with different opinions.
You lose a debate when you have to resort to insults instead of actual arguments. That's why you always lose.

The Presence Look in the mirror, you'll find Tyrannus and EmptyHand sitting there except in the mirror it reads, "viewer discretion is advised."

The One-Above-All Goddamn you guys are harsh. Chill out

The One-Above-All @EnDico Bro, chill tf out

The One-Above-All Chill out guys. Be a little nicer

Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
Be more like TOAA and The Presence

The Presence Not think... It's the truth TOAA is a looser.

The Presence @EmptyHand It's actually the opposite of what you said. Except whoever thinks TOAA is stronger than The Presence have no IQ.

Neutral Stan Lee can

The One-Above-All Lmfao that isn't TOAA, tell me how Jim starlin, an aspect of TOAA (since toaa embodies every single writer, meaning that individual writers would be aspects) literally sees the entire story of infinity conflict as an IDEA

So yeah good one thinking that's the one above all

The Presence Claims are NOT facts pal. Your links don't prove anything or have no purpose in proving anything.



Everyone in Marvel calls him Above-All-Others while he/she calls himself The One Above All. Now let's be honest, how mentally retarded are you? Even Thanos calls him Above-All-Others. You realize Mike Carey also explained that The Presence was only breaking the fourth wall and referring to the writers, right? No fictional character is the writer. No fictional character will ever be the writer and it's impossible to accomplish.

The Presence Protege managed to take The One Above All's position as well, did I not mention?



So, TOAA lost twice. Not just Thanos, but even Protege took TOAA's position. I've already proved my point. TOAA isn't omnipotent. His name should be renamed to The One Above Most. Maybe this video will change your perspective with TOAA. Here's a recap with TOAA's nigh omnipotence.

The One-Above-All Did you read the scans or are you just that blind? The first scan shows that the writers are embodied by the one above all, literally Jack Kirby and other writers are just manifestations of the one above all

So stop making yourself look like a dumbass, and If you could prove yourself not blind that would be hella good, since considering you don't realize that the scan literally shows Jim starlin coming up with the entire story in his head and he's just a manifestation of the one above all, use your eyes for once you fucking moron

No only people in jim starlin his separate marvel canon calls him above all others, in every other comic people call him the one above all you're so fucking stupid its unbelievable, jim starlin almost got fired for his work because he published a story where that happened, yet he never showed anything like the superflow, outside, etc he only used 5D cosmological structures and that's it, you're so fucking moronic, you don't read any comics do you, since I saw your comment down there saying you use Wikipedia like a retard, now think again, if jim starlin isn't canon to main marvel cosmology, if nothing the above all others did relates to the one above all at all, if everything in the story contradicts everything else in marvel, does that mean that it's the true oaa? No exactly, now quit your brain dead ass and be smart for once

Also protégé legit only made a self statement and that was after absorbing the living tribunals powers only you dumbass, then he lost to a celestial right after that, not even the strongest celestial either, read. The. Story. Legit does getting defeated by a celestial and getting the power of the living tribunal make you the one above all? No exactly, I just clapped you on that point as well

Lmao imagine using videos as unironic evidence

The Presence Buddy...Calm down. This isn't a right or wrong answer. Battles are not about swearing at each other unless that's what your looking for, but no need to use the swear words, pal. I'm only sharing you my opinion with how I think about TOAA and you are just going all over the place. Seriously, just calm down.

The One-Above-All Thanos with astral regulator has not defeated but absorbed the one above all and the one above all knows that everything would be right after sometime .And the one above all can break the astral regulator but he don't want to break the rules of multiverse.

The Presence Ok, then prove it. Give me an image that actually proves TOAA doesn't want to break the rules. Because there isn't a way to prove it. TOAA is the multiverse itself, and The Presence is the creator of an Omniverse.

Presence>GEB>Elaine=Lucifer=Michael=Gabriel>Regulator>TOAA

The Presence murderstomps TOAA.

The One-Above-All Actually, that isint TOAA, that is the one above all others.

The Presence Above All Others is what everyone in Marvel calls him while he calls himself The One Above All. Even Thanos calls him Above All Others or Master Of All. The One Above All calls himself The One Above All. So, you have it wrong.

The One-Above-All That was the above all others, NOT THE ONE ABOVE ALL

The Presence @Enternity10 Yes, it was though. However, I have discovered that the Infinity Conflict is noncannon. Though, TOAA maybe the God of marvel, he isn't the writer. You see, TOAA's name was never mentioned during the Jack Kirby scene. Second of all, never once was TOAA called, "God" in Marvel but when they meet Jack Kirby, they called him God. Yes, Jack Kirby is God since he is the writer. TOAA wasn't called God and his name was never mentioned so no he is not the writer. Now, let's talk about t he cannon part of Marvel. TOAA's powers have been duplicated by Protege who has the ability to become infinitely omnipotent.



This took a combination of the Living Tribunal and Scathan the Approver to only absorb the new TOAA. The Living Tribunal himself could not defeat the new TOAA so it took some assistance. That was completely cannon to the story and I know a lot of Marvel fans don't want to believe that part but it was cannon and that is reality right there. The Presence, however, was caught holding a paint brush in Heaven in one of the Animal Man series and what do you do with a paint brush? You create pictures and art. That right there proves The Presence in Grant Morrison. Presence>TOAA

The One-Above-All True, but TOAA is a creator of an Omniverse, and The Presence is the omniverse itself. I would give the advantage to TOAA.

The Presence They both created an Omniverse. The Presence already held everything in his hand (creation) so The Presence is definitely Omnilock as well. So, you have it all wrong.

Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
Be more like TOAA and The Presence

The One-Above-All Buddy you are acting dumb. AAO and TOAA are very different

The One-Above-All @Emptyhand can you talk some sense into him.

The Presence Actually, your the dumb one because your a Marvel Lover. And what I mean by that is all you do is you read Marvel Comics because that's the only thing you do in your lifetime is talk about Marvel. Everyone in Marvel calls him Above All Others while he calls himself The One Above All. How about you look up The Presence on Google for once. There will be a documentation on Wikipedia that even states he is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, and immortal and is unchanged in the main DCU in it's own words. Now, how about we look up The One Above All: oh wow, he doesn't have a documentation? That's not a claim either, that's a valid statement. So know the facts. And I don't mean to be rude, but everyone votes for The One Above All not because of the character itself, but due to how overrated Marvel is. You treat The One Above All like he is above every comic book character you can put thought into. That's not the case though. That's the best part about DC though is that it isn't overrated like Marvel is. So your the dumb one kiddo just because your a Marvel Lover.

The One-Above-All
See the regulator universal. Every reality/dimension has a regulator.

The One-Above-All @EnDico look even after thanos absorbed the AAO from his dimension another AAO froma different dimension was still alive and ok.

The One-Above-All And don't call me a marvel lover. When I first voted this battler I voted The Presence. But after learning the cosmology of marvel and the power of TOAA I voted TOAA. TOAA and AAO aren't the same

The One-Above-All Its very brave of you to assume whosoever votes for TOAA is a marvel lover. Wikipedia??? Seriously. Trust me, there are 100's of characters who are immortal, being immortal doesn't mean you can't be killed, even LT was said to omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient.

That doesn't make you the most powerful ever, and see @RajinKabir also says AAO and TOAA aren't the same, only you don't want to accept the fact that how can a character written by a writer can defeat the writer himself, even pre-retcon beyonder defeats AAO, he isn't TOAA.

The One-Above-All What happend @EnDico ?? Did we convince you that TOAA is not AAO or do you need more proof??

The One-Above-All And Jim Stalin made some mistakes in the comic

The One-Above-All And @EnDico where did anyone including AAO called AAO , TOAA??

The One-Above-All He would not accept the fact @RajinKabir .

The One-Above-All I figured from his aggressive writing. I mean he wrote so much in so less time on this battle

The Presence One above all isn't his name,he was called multiple names.They are the same,Starlin retconned toaa

The Presence So, you think The Living Tribunal is omnipotent, huh? Tell that to The Beyonders then speaking that The Beyonders killed The Living Tribunal so I think the word your looking for is nigh-omnipotence. Second of all, I don’t think you even hear yourself talk but let me say this: everyone in Marvel calls him Above All Others while he calls himself The One Above All. By the way, if you think that really was a different cosmic entity, then why does the comic still portray Above All Others as the master of The Living Tribunal? The only master The Living Tribunal has is The One Above All. If that wasn’t TOAA then who was it? Clearly, AAO was supervising The Living Tribunal so the only explanation is that he is TOAA. You already know The One Above All was absorbed by Thanos. You know he was defeated, you just don’t want to believe it.

The Presence Oh, and did I mention that Marvel (AKA, TOAA) is only a 16th dimensional being while The Presence is a 4th dimensional being?

The One-Above-All Are you freaking stupid, the one above all 16th dimensional lmfao, yet a single universe in marvel transcends the concept of numbers in terms of how many spatial dimensions it has, also if you're a higher dimensional existence thus you're bigger you walking contradiction, the one above all himself platonically transcends beings who would slap the presence left and right, if you think thanos killed the true oaa you're inept, honestly you don't at all read marvel if you're saying "look it up" learn how many contradictions the story has and how in no way is it canon nor can it even possibly be the one above all since it has nothing in common with it

The Presence Well that’s because your a Marvel lover which I’m not surprised because all you do I bet spend 24/7 a week reading Marvel comic books. You don’t even read DC is what it sounds like. The Fourth Wall exists as the invisible barrier separating reality from imagination. In the comic book medium, such characters are cognizant of the fact that they are characters in a comic book, and often speak directly to the reader. In the Golden and Silver Age era of DC comics, such characters routinely broke the Fourth Wall, usually as a convenience for introducing a story. After the Crisis on Infinite Earths, comic storytelling took a more mature turn, and few characters demonstrated this ability. So, it’s far beyond TOAA’s reach. The Presence already has fourth wall awareness. The infinity conflict was a real series in Marvel, it was written, and it was published. It will always have an effect in the plot of Marvel. And I’m not afraid of you either because I can argue all day and night. You are a pure Marvel lover and really have nothing better to do with your life other than to obsess about Marvel comics.

The Presence Let me give you a great example as to how retarded you sound. The Presence comes in many names known as The Hand, The Source, The Overvoid, The Voice, and oddly enough, Wally the God boy. Just as the TOAA has different names known as Jack Kirby, and AAO. They are the same beings, it’s just that he can be called different names too like The Presence. Your saying AAO is a mere extension of TOAA. You sound so retarded to the highest level when you say AAO and TOAA are different. You are not comic book scientist, dude. If you think you really are all that or imagine like your omniscient in all comic books, you wouldn’t even be hired as a comic book writer due to how much of a dumbass you sound.

The One-Above-All Lmao i read and scale both marvel and DC unlike you inept child who only reads DC it seems, what does the fourth wall's existence mean at all exactly? any character can break the fourth wall, superboy prime has done it, deadpool has done it, gwenpool has done it, none of those are rebirth superman tier, let alone even base eternity tierand TOAA is the f*cking writer, he scales above the fourth wall as a whole and there wouldn't even exist a fourth wall for him since he's every single marvel writer/reader/editor in 1, you need to rethink your stupid scaling, since you're implying characters like superboy prime can defeat the one above all, The infinity conflict was a story only Jim starlin wrote and every other marvel writer almost fired him from the company and declared it non canon because his work was that bad, Jim starlin doesn't have any knowledge on cosmological structures in marvel such as the superflow, neutral zone or other's which he has never shown, he's only shown the universe, multiverse and given them finite dimensions, whereas in consistent marvel scaling its been shown there are infinite spatial dimensions per universe but the AAO his realm was literally affected by a 3-Dimensional crisis, also are you f*cking stupid? that's your proof as to why you're making yourself look like an idiot? you understand that the AAO was shown bound to a timeline and affected by 3-Dimensional crisis', you gotta rethink your marvel and DC scaling because you just got clapped, now listen to your inept brain and think again, since TOAA was shown way beyond what the AAO was shown below, because the writer almost got fired for making the most non canon marvel work, because the writer didn't know sh*t about actual marvel cosmology AND the fact that you have no evidence besides a few aliases the presence has, you should give up, this is embarrassing you

The One-Above-All Yup living tribunal is nigh omnipotent, but many writers claim beings are omnipotent when they are only nigh, same arguments can be made to DC characters.
Beyonders killed Post Retcon LT.
But we already know LT is omniscient, he knows everything and exists in all realities, he is the judge of everything, but wait what did he say in Infinity Conflict

I had no idea this problem had such widespread repercussions.
Lmao, he also asks AOO "This has become a multidimensional crisis?

Thus, he was not omniscient. So, either you accept that they were just avatars or continue to look away from the truth.

The Presence Take a look a these pictures from Grant Morrison for once. This is exactly what proves everything right and wrong with The Presence:






So, The Presence is The Writer.

The Presence The Presence wasn't killed either just as Lucifer even stated it himself:

Plus, Lucifer admitted The Presence's powers:

The Presence Now, TOAA. This is the proof of AAO (AKA TOAA) being absorbed by Thanos using a Regulator:

The Presence The Presence admitted that everything is part of his plan. Every variable, every physical law, everything happens because he MAKES it happen.



By the way, I know you will say he passed his powers down but that is not the case. The Presence passed creation just to break the tie between Heaven and Hell during their final battle. The Presence instead calls this "To cut the knot" solution. Plus, The Presence annihilated Lilith without breaking a sweat in this picture.

The One-Above-All Hold on ill respond to this later, need to type a bible worth of scans real quick 🦍

The One-Above-All No

The Presence yeh

The One-Above-All OK. Then Hell no

The Presence Dc 1As are way higher than marvel 1As

The Presence Little correction,
Dc isnt 4d,i assume you are referring to this
4 dimensions refers to 4 realms.Highest of them being the 6th dimension then source wall and 2 others idr.

Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
Be more like TOAA and The Presence

The One-Above-All Hell no

The Presence Hell yes

Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
Be more like TOAA and The Presence

The One-Above-All That was above all others, an aspect of TOAA and is non canon.

The Presence Everyone in Marvel calls him Above All Others while he calls himself The One Above All. The Infinity Conflict Ending Comic is canon because it actually says it on Google. But since The Presence is the Overvoid, The One Above All wouldn’t have a single chance laying a scratch on The Presence.

The One-Above-All You know the writer was fired for his work after that,right?